This will be... fun.

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: sixone
We haven't seen most of our universe, never mind what might lie outside it. Our universe might be inside an atom of a blade of grass in a universe far larger than anything we can comprehend. Or not...I don't think you'll find many deeply religious people who would argue with that, no matter how you bait them.

Broooooo!

*mind blows up*

hah! nah seriously I know your right but these things don't just figure themselves out.

I just don't see what the big problem discussing this is.

I see people around here all the time bash religion saying it's an excuse and a poor attempt at trying to explain things which science could not have explained at the time yadda yadda yadda

Well, if science cannot explain, nor will it EVER be able to explain the origins of the universe, then how can people say that it was NOT created by God, and was in fact a product of the Big Bang, etc. when they can't even tell you where the prime elements of the big bang came from.

Science guys denouncing Bible thumpers = Pot calling kettle black?

Hmmm interesting.

All types of people come out of the woodwork to attack religion with science, and defend the "reality" of things against "mythical Gods and folklore" but no ones seems to be around to defend science in this question...

Religion 1 (God created universe)

Science... -1? (We have completely contradicted ourselves claiming there is no God, and that something cannot be created from nothing. But we have no idea where the universe started or how, but we do know it wasn't created by God! Even though we have no idea, because we're science.)

Fanatics on both sides get their panties in a wad, whether the issue is religion, politics, whatever. Reasonable people can agree that there is a lot we just don't know, whether our theories agree or not.

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: sixone
Fanatics on both sides get their panties in a wad, whether the issue is religion, politics, whatever. Reasonable people can agree that there is a lot we just don't know, whether our theories agree or not.

I agree.

You know what's crazy though?

ATOT of all places, full of people with opinions on everything, have absolutely nothing to say about this.

I can't even get anyone to defend science on this. It must be bullsh!t.

Science is a lie!

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: sixone
Fanatics on both sides get their panties in a wad, whether the issue is religion, politics, whatever. Reasonable people can agree that there is a lot we just don't know, whether our theories agree or not.

I agree.

You know what's crazy though?

ATOT of all places, full of people with opinions on everything, have absolutely nothing to say about this.

I can't even get anyone to defend science on this. It must be bullsh!t.

Science is a lie!

If you'd posted this in P&N, you'd have seen a lot more action.

 

[Printer Bandit]

you are not your material body

 

[DaFinn]

On word, antimatter...

 

[dugweb]

here's a thought. God organized the world. The same way an artist creates a masterpiece, God created the Earth.

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: sixone
Fanatics on both sides get their panties in a wad, whether the issue is religion, politics, whatever. Reasonable people can agree that there is a lot we just don't know, whether our theories agree or not.

I agree.

You know what's crazy though?

ATOT of all places, full of people with opinions on everything, have absolutely nothing to say about this.

I can't even get anyone to defend science on this. It must be bullsh!t.

Science is a lie!

It's because it's so obviously flamebait that we don't want to give you the satisfaction.

You come in here acting as if you've found proof God doesn't exist? Please! This debate has been going on for centuries (Science vs. God) rarely do people switch sides. We are too stubborn (on both sides). You're ideas are a far cry from origional.

 

[venk]

IF god created the universe who created god

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: sixone
Fanatics on both sides get their panties in a wad, whether the issue is religion, politics, whatever. Reasonable people can agree that there is a lot we just don't know, whether our theories agree or not.

I agree.

You know what's crazy though?

ATOT of all places, full of people with opinions on everything, have absolutely nothing to say about this.

I can't even get anyone to defend science on this. It must be bullsh!t.

Science is a lie!

If you'd posted this in P&N, you'd have seen a lot more action.

Yea, but he can nef more here and get away with it...
Tas.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: FoBoT
it was created out of < >

How?

Science can prove that that is impossible. But it cannot prove that there is not a God.

Does religion win?

Religion cant *prove* theres a god either, so by your retarded 14 year old logic, science wins. As if it was even a competition in the first place.

Youre making too many assumptions, for example, the big bang HAD to come from somewhere else.

The reason why no one cares is cause youre oh, about 5 or so years late. Everyone here has had a part in one of these threads over and over. Its like beating a dead horse with another dead horse.

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Religion cant *prove* theres a god either, so by your retarded 14 year old logic, science wins. As if it was even a competition in the first place.

Interesting.

Can religion prove there is a God? No!
Can science prove there is a God? No!

Science automatically wins!

And you were saying what about my logic again?

Originally posted by: BD2003
Youre making too many assumptions, for example, the big bang HAD to come from somewhere else.

Of course it had to come from somewhere! Science has proven this to be a LAW! And we all know science is the only truth!

Science can't be wrong because I don't want it to be!

Originally posted by: BD2003
The reason why no one cares is cause youre oh, about 5 or so years late. Everyone here has had a part in one of these threads over and over. Its like beating a dead horse with another dead horse.

Who doesn't beat dead horses?

I mean think about it. You touch yourself. You know what's going to happen before during and after your disgusting act of self pleasuring but that doesn't stop you!

It plays no part in survival! It serves no real tangible purpose! But you do it anyways.

I guess what I'm trying to say is we all pleasure dead horses everyonce in awhile for the sake of intellectual inquiry, mental stimulation and thought provoking discussion. If this was not true, there would be no such thing as dead horses, and we certainly wouldn't be able to pleasure them.

 

[MommysLittleMonster]

I am an accounting major.


This blows my mind.

 

[BD2003]

Interesting.

Can religion prove there is a God? No!
Can science prove there is a God? No!

Science automatically wins!

And you were saying what about my logic again?

Its not a competition in the first place! They are not mutually exclusive. And if youre trying to prove that your logic is sound, you failed again. This time, possibly worse than the last.

Of course it had to come from somewhere! Science has proven this to be a LAW! And we all know science is the only truth!

Science can't be wrong because I don't want it to be!

You apparently know as little of science as you do of logic.

Originally posted by: BD2003
The reason why no one cares is cause youre oh, about 5 or so years late. Everyone here has had a part in one of these threads over and over. Its like beating a dead horse with another dead horse.

Who doesn't beat dead horses?

I mean think about it. You touch yourself. You know what's going to happen before during and after your disgusting act of self pleasuring but that doesn't stop you!

It plays no part in survival! It serves no real tangible purpose! But you do it anyways.

I guess what I'm trying to say is we all pleasure dead horses everyonce in awhile for the sake of intellectual inquiry, mental stimulation and thought provoking discussion. If this was not true, there would be no such thing as dead horses, and we certainly wouldn't be able to pleasure them.

Youre failing to realize that bringing anything of this topic to ATOT nowdays is going to result in something that is quite possibly as far from intellectual inquiry, mental stimulation, and thought provoking discussion as something can possibly be.

The only way you are forgiven is if youre still in high school.

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Its not a competition in the first place! They are not mutually exclusive. And if youre trying to prove that your logic is sound, you failed again. This time, possibly worse than the last.

Ok, even if it's not a competition, religion wins!

Originally posted by: BD2003
You apparently know as little of science as you do of logic.

Science says you can create something out of nothing? I am wrong?

Who? What? Where? Why? And most importantly... how?

Originally posted by: BD2003
Youre failing to realize that bringing anything of this topic to ATOT nowdays is going to result in something that is quite possibly as far from intellectual inquiry, mental stimulation, and thought provoking discussion as something can possibly be.

If I cared to interact with this forum solely on the basis of what it's average level of intellect is as opposed to how I want to interact with it at any given time, I'd be a forum tool.

This may get me nowhere in the end but hey, doesn't mean I'm not going to enjoy the ride.

Originally posted by: BD2003
The only way you are forgiven is if youre still in high school.

Forgiven for what?

 

[Goosemaster]

I forsee rows and rows of the banned...

It will be a fvking massacre.

 

[Literati]

So anyways that's it huh?

Apparently science is not the end all be all?

Perhaps there's more to the picture?

Who knows! Who cares!

We'll all just blindly follow what we've been taught because to question things of this nature is extremely inconvienent!

 

[BD2003]

Ok, even if it's not a competition, religion wins!

Youre kidding, right?

Science says you can create something out of nothing? I am wrong?

Who? What? Where? Why? And most importantly... how?

Although vastly oversimplifying it, what "science" actually says is that nothing can be either created or destroyed. Think on that one for a while. Read a little bit about the big bang theory. Then come back.

Forgiven for what?

Wildly misunderstanding the basics of what youre trying to talk about, as well as having no semblance of logic whatsoever. And being a forum tool.

 

[mwtgg]

lol

 

[everman]

Will this get warm enough to bake muffins, or should I stick to marshmallows?

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Youre kidding, right?

Obviously, it's the internet, lighten up.

(Even though I was dead serious about pleasuring deceased horses.)

Originally posted by: BD2003
Although vastly oversimplifying it, what "science" actually says is that nothing can be either created or destroyed. Think on that one for a while.

Prove it!

I can create pewpz, I just need to eat something.

But ok. So nothing can be created nor destroyed you say? Surely everything known to reality right now did not just "be" for that would mean science is supporting religion.

Originally posted by: BD2003
Read a little bit about the big bang theory. Then come back.

I don't care for the big bang theory.

I've already proven that we cannot, and will never, know the origins of the universe.

Originally posted by: BD2003
Wildly misunderstanding the basics of what youre trying to talk about as well as having no semblance of logic whatsoever. And being a forum tool.

My logic is quite sound! And just because you say it isn't, does not mean it is true! I believe science can back me up on this!

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: everman
Will this get warm enough to bake muffins, or should I stick to marshmallows?

I know... I know...

 

[conjur]

Cheezy Poofs

 

[dugweb]

What is your point?! You are way too uninformed on the subject to be arguing either sides.

You act as if science is law? Science by definition is theory! Even scientific laws have been broken through out the years. Remember? The earth is flat, right?

You need to lay off the exclamation points, because I'm picturing you as that kid playing Halo 2 and getting pissed off after every time he gets killed.

link for those that may have missed it. It's classic

 

[BD2003]

Prove it!

I can create pewpz, I just need to eat something.

But ok. So nothing can be created nor destroyed you say? Surely everything known to reality right now did not just "be" for that would mean science is supporting religion.

You havent created anything. Youve just rearranged the matter in your food into matter into poop after your body has metabolized it.

Your understanding of religion is as shallow as your understanding of science. Since you sound like a youngster, as Ive said before, Ill forgive your ineptitude. You get an A for effort though.

I don't care for the big bang theory.

I've already proven that we cannot, and will never, know the origins of the universe.

The only thing youve proven is your ignorance.

My logic is quite sound! And just because you say it isn't, does not mean it is true! I believe science can back me up on this!

Your logic is based on false assumptions, and a complete lack of regard for anything but what you want the answer to be.

 

[blinky8225]

The big bang theory doesn't state the universe was created from nothing. It says it's created from all the matter in the universe compressed in a very small area and then some chemical reaction cause it to explode and expand into what we now know as the universe.

 

[sandorski]

The Universe is merely the extent of which we can See/Observe. Due to that, we can't Know if it was created from something else, as the something else lies outside of the Universe.

It's like putting a Newborn inside of a box and and keeping it their for 18 years. During that time it has never seen anything outside the box nor has it had any contact with any person. Food and certain basic forms of entertainment( a ball, lava lamp, etc) are provided to keep it fairly sane and stimulated, but absolutely no exposure to the Real World is given.

As far as it is concerned, everything within that Box is the Universe and nothing exists outside of it. We are in a similar situation, except that our box is friggin huge and/or we a friggin microscopic in comparison.

For all we know, our "Universe" could be little more than a Petri Dish in little Johnnies closet. Our Universe's existance maybe nothing more than 1 day of Little Johnny's life and by the end of the week Little Johnny's Mom will destroy the Universe in the Dishwasher. Not to worry though, by that time Humanity will have become extinct, the Sun will have gone Nova, and everyone on ATOT will have lost their virginity....oh, nevermind that last point.