This whole R600/G80 benchmarks thing is nonsense.

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
No, the bloody tooth fairy put it there!

i *knew it*

there is the "tooth fairy"

... and then there is the "bloody-tooth fairy" :lips:
:Q

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
why bitch and moan about it on a video card forum then...?

cuz he's a troll. i thought that was common knowledge.

 

[BlizzardOne]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
why bitch and moan about it on a video card forum then...?

cuz he's a troll. i thought that was common knowledge.

I just thought he looked a bit hungry

 

[Gstanfor]

Hello? I made a vaild point on IQ - the trolling started with this post

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
why bitch and moan about it on a video card forum then...?

and has yet to abate.

 

[BlizzardOne]

what valid point??

there's a light patch, that appears on BOTH images, which suggests it has ah heck all to do with the AA method!

you haven't made a point about anything!

 

[Gstanfor]

The image generated by an R600. Therefore R600 must have generated the discrepancy. It not something meant to be rendered (and isn't rendered that way on other cards).

 

[BlizzardOne]

And can you prove that it doesn't appear on other hardware?

And how are you so absolutely sure it's not meant to be there?

 

[Gstanfor]

Because I can fire up HL2 on my machine and see for myself that it isn't.

Even BFG10K isn't dumb enough to argue that one.

 

[BlizzardOne]

well, i don't own a copy of HL2, and i'm at work anyway - so i couldn't possibly look for myself! Any chance of a screenhot to back it up?

I personally didn't notice it until it was ringed, and even then it's barely noticeable - either way, it's hardly a game breaking matter.

 

[Gstanfor]

Well, if someone can identify the level name for me, I'll load the map and generate a screenshot. Finished the game ages ago and only have a handful of save-points.

 

[BlizzardOne]

call me a cynic, or whatever - but if you finished the game ages ago, and aren't sure which lvl that location is on.. how can you possibly know that light patch isn't there?

if you can provide a pic backing up your claim.. fair enough, but otherwise, i'm dubious.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
call me a cynic, or whatever - but if you finished the game ages ago, and aren't sure which lvl that location is on.. how can you possibly know that light patch isn't there?

if you can provide a pic backing up your claim.. fair enough, but otherwise, i'm dubious.

Mate, HL2 IQ has been put well and truly through the wringer here and elsewhere on the 'net, LONG before you turned up on the scene (with no copy of the game and a big attitude for a noob) - If that light patch was there before, we'd know it.

Here are a shot that is somewhat similar from my saves, you can rest assured that once I know which level the scene is on, I'll happily provide a shot and a savegame file, so others can replicate it.

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[BlizzardOne]

1. i ain't your mate.

2. i may have only been registered a little while, but i've been around this place plenty long enough.

like i said, if you can back up your claim, great.

 

[BFG10K]

Because I can fire up HL2 on my machine and see for myself that it isn't.

Even BFG10K isn't dumb enough to argue that one.

If you're getting hung up over a few chain-links being broken on unreleased hardware on pre-release drivers what is your response to the Red Faction picture I posted?

The game is unplayable due to rendering artifacts and nVidia's drivers are six months old.

 

[Gstanfor]

The chain links are fine, the texturing of the background behind them isn't. Normally when a card starts drawing this sort of artifact its a sign the core is clocked to high, the memory is opeating out of spec or the card is overheating. All distinct possibilities given R600's hot, power pig nature.

Then again it could just be ATi's whacky transparency AA breaking for whatever reason on that polygon.

 

[Lord Banshee]

Gstanform,

wow can no believe you notice that you have crazy eyes for detail

1) Personally i think it is some sort of cloud or object in the background, but i have no idea haven't played HL2 in a while but doesn't it seem like that level where those damn bug things come out of the ground??

2) It isn't the AA doing the light patch as in your picture http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070501d05322923e0d643fd2.jpg the light patch is shown in both images. So it is either an in-game object or an artifact due to drivers are hardware (i say drivers).

 

[Gstanfor]

What amuses me is how so many can't see it, yet they will happily write drivers off for "bad IQ' or rant about shimmering. I doubt some would know what IQ was if it slapped them in the face with a rotten fish.

 

[apoppin]

i dunno ... i saw shimmering on both manufacturer's cards - occasionally ... the 7800GS didn't have bad shimmering when i got mine in January ... before that it was only in still shots that i saw it on 7800 series - much exaggerated by the photo

i *play* video games ... i don't "pause" the action to look for artifacts and flaws ...
--or, much worse - get killed because a bit of "shimmer" or a single weird artifact "distracted" me
:Q

It hasn't happened yet ... but IF the game looks crappy and/or plays other than Fluidly - 'that' i really notice because it interferes with my game-play ... not little distortions in unnoticeable places that have to be brought to your attention in a still.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Hell, I'm not paying $350 US for a graphics card!

Me either. I paid $175.00 for my X1950 Pro. Thats about as high as I will go.

pale rider, how is that x1950 pro, the x1950xt is like 169.99 at newegg now. is it overheating or anything on you? did you manually turn up fan? would 512mb make a diff?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: jaredpace

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Hell, I'm not paying $350 US for a graphics card!

Me either. I paid $175.00 for my X1950 Pro. Thats about as high as I will go.

pale rider, how is that x1950 pro, the x1950xt is like 169.99 at newegg now. is it overheating or anything on you? did you manually turn up fan? would 512mb make a diff?

i have a question for you

i am also getting c2d e4300 to use with my x1950p/512M AGP ... this weekend [i hope]
how much held back are you by your DDR-1 RAM ?

very much or not so much? ... i don't see ANY benchs


my system in rig's MB crapped Monday and i am getting the same ASrock and e4300 that you have

i also decided to get the 2x1GB XMS Corsair PC 6400 for $109 after MIR ... it'll be held back by the MB but i should get awesome timings at PC5400 speeds ... i am thinking to make the total purchase now since DDR2 is so cheap and DDR1 still expensive ...

anyway MY AGP Sapphire x1950p/512M is quiet and runs pretty cool ... it runs hi 50-80s under full load ... the first one died after 31 days and i got a much better PS to run this one.

it is a very decent and powerful midrange card that runs all my new games fluidly at 14x9 with most everything maxed - even some AA/AF

and now i should be able to completely "unbottleneck" it


it is probably 4x faster than your 9800p
:Q

 

[BFG10K]

Then again it could just be ATi's whacky transparency AA breaking for whatever reason on that polygon.

Or it could be a driver issue, the thing you're so keen in ignoring on nVidia's side while trolling against ATi.

What amuses me is how so many can't see it, yet they will happily write drivers off for "bad IQ' or rant about shimmering. I doubt some would know what IQ was if it slapped them in the face with a rotten fish.

You mean like when you were claiming there's no shimmer on Halo's water under nVidia's HQ on the G7x series?

Or like when you were telling us there is nothing wrong with the G7x series under Quality as long as all three optimizations are unticked?

Or like when you were claiming you could see HDR and AA in Far Cry on your 6800 GT?

It's amazing how good your eyesight is against ATi but how blind you are when looking at nVidia.

 

[flexy]

whow gstanfor...need a life ?

j/k... but i cant see a "discrepancy"...actually the white spots are in both pictures...and they can (IMHO) truly be anything, including jpeg artifacts.

If you examine the fence closely you can see white spots (to a certain extent) everywhere...i THINK its just how the AA algorhithm interprets that particular portion of the fence. This is really like grasping a straw.

 

[Gstanfor]

You mean like when you were claiming there's no shimmer on Halo's water under nVidia's HQ on the G7x series?

Huh? I've never played more than the first couple of levels of Halo, don't like the game and certainly don't recall making any such comment.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Because I can fire up HL2 on my machine and see for myself that it isn't.

Even BFG10K isn't dumb enough to argue that one.

If you're getting hung up over a few chain-links being broken on unreleased hardware on pre-release drivers what is your response to the Red Faction picture I posted?

The game is unplayable due to rendering artifacts and nVidia's drivers are six months old.

QFT. I seem to remember there being a fog issue with HL2 and the G80's that was much worse than this. And that was after the G80's were launched.

Gstanfor, yes, it is there. Yes, I guess it's a driver issue. But if those are the kinds of issues that we'll be faced with for the R600's first few months, then I'm thoroughly impressed. Honestly, it's so minuscule. You either:

1) Have no life.

or

2) Are used to looking at small things that look like a "dog's d***"

i dunno ... i saw shimmering on both manufacturer's cards - occasionally ... the 7800GS didn't have bad shimmering when i got mine in January ... before that it was only in still shots that i saw it on 7800 series - much exaggerated by the photo

Do you have a link to those photos? Every time I've investigated for shimmering it had to be a moving sequence, not a paused frame snapped from the application.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: josh6079

i dunno ... i saw shimmering on both manufacturer's cards - occasionally ... the 7800GS didn't have bad shimmering when i got mine in January ... before that it was only in still shots that i saw it on 7800 series - much exaggerated by the photo

Do you have a link to those photos? Every time I've investigated for shimmering it had to be a moving sequence, not a paused frame snapped from the application.

sure ... i have 2 million bookmarks all organized into instant access

:roll:

nope

since i have dial-up ... i rarely dl'ed 'shimmering' videos -*once* i believe ... but i do remember some stills of the most "glaring" examples that seemed rather exaggerated

if you like, i could spend the next six months looking for a photo for you

EDIT: here's a fun article for nvidia fans to fondly remember ... i still have these bookmarked [it got moved] :Q

NVIDIA ForceWare 70 and 75 MIP Boundary Shimmering with GeForce 7800 GT and GTX

and i remember seeing better pics ... although video certainly made shimmering stand out

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=1549&page=3

by the time i got the 7800 shimmering had all but disappeared -= well, at least compared to what i was hearing here.