This week's Doonsbury not being published in some papers.

Fausto

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This is just kinda sad.
The Journal-Advocate has chosen not to publish this week's Doonesbury in the paper because of the graphic, violent battlefield depictions of Iraq in this week's installment.

We will resume printing Doonesbury in the paper when the content is deemed suitable for publication in the Journal-Advocate.


Related story: BD loses a leg.
"Doonesbury" creator Garry Trudeau said he wanted to illustrate the sacrifices American soldiers are making.

"It's a task any writer should approach with great humility, but I think it's worth doing," Trudeau said. "We are at war, and we can't lose sight of the hardships war inflicts on individual lives."

Trudeau said B.D. would learn to deal with his injury "probably the same way so many wounded vets seem to ? with gratitude for having had one's life spared, empathy and respect for those who have suffered worse, and a grim sense of humor indispensable to fending off despair."

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this not getting published?
 

Armitage

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Yea, pretty hypocritical. Especially compared to the front page lately.

Was wierd thopugh, the way they jumped from reruns straight into BD being evacuated ... nothing about how it happened.

First time I've ever seen BD without a helmet.
 

ggavinmoss

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Who exactly do they think is reading Doonesbury? Kids? Give me a break. Either they fear the Ashcroft, or their editorial-board is full of asshats. Take your pick.

-geoff
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: ggavinmoss
Who exactly do they think is reading Doonesbury? Kids? Give me a break. Either they fear the Ashcroft, or their editorial-board is full of asshats. Take your pick.

-geoff
Well, this is a small-town CO newspaper from what I can tell. Their readers are likely very conservative.

 

GrumpyMan

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I also saw where the Seattle Times got in trouble for publishing a picture of American dead in a jet transport with flags draped over the caskets. What do they think war is a picnic?
 

iamwiz82

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They don't have to publish it if they do not want to. I guess you have to agree that they stand by their convictions, whether or not you agree with them.
 
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This is really shocking to me, and even though I'm not a Doonesbury fan, I would boycott any paper who refused to publish these strips. That is clearly more a function of politics than of any genuine concern about graphic violence (if their worry were publishing a violent strip amongst other comics read by kids, they could just move it to the financial page or something, as many papers do anyway).
 

Vic

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Why would they not print that? Is their resolve for war that weak?
 

xboxist

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I suppose I'm completely de-sensitized or something, because I find that comic to be -9% violent. I hate easily offended people.
 

StageLeft

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It's not violent. It's worth not reading for other reasons, but not because of violence.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
They don't have to publish it if they do not want to. I guess you have to agree that they stand by their convictions, whether or not you agree with them.
I agree, I just don't get the rationale behind choosing not to publish the strip. If you're going to support a war, you should have an understanding of what exactly you're supporting. I know this is only a comic strip, but it's still a means of conveying that message.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
They don't have to publish it if they do not want to. I guess you have to agree that they stand by their convictions, whether or not you agree with them.
I would see this as a lack of their convictions. As a symbol of their fear.

War is the harshest of realities, and requires resolves and will to win. When we lost thousands upon thousands of soldiers in WWII, very few people complained because we knew our cause was righteous.
Such must not be the case in Iraq...
 

MrDudeMan

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umm i dont even understand it. its retarded IMO and could be plastered all over the walls for all i care. people die in war. like someone else said, its not a picnic.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
They don't have to publish it if they do not want to. I guess you have to agree that they stand by their convictions, whether or not you agree with them.
I would see this as a lack of their convictions. As a symbol of their fear.

War is the harshest of realities, and requires resolves and will to win. When we lost thousands upon thousands of soldiers in WWII, very few people complained because we knew our cause was righteous.
Such must not be the case in Iraq...

Personally, I think making a comic about war to be in somewhat bad taste, since normally the comic is read for it's humorous outlook. I would have a problem if they were not reporting stories of deaths in "rebuilding" of Iraq, but not for blocking a downer of a comic in an otherwise upbeat section. I just think that this kind of thing should not be expressed in comics. Hence the reason I despise that stupid racially motivated strip, I cannot think of the name at this time.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's not violent. It's worth not reading for other reasons, but not because of violence.

Indeed. Doonesbury is just a step above Cathy or Mary Worth
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
They don't have to publish it if they do not want to. I guess you have to agree that they stand by their convictions, whether or not you agree with them.
I would see this as a lack of their convictions. As a symbol of their fear.

War is the harshest of realities, and requires resolves and will to win. When we lost thousands upon thousands of soldiers in WWII, very few people complained because we knew our cause was righteous.
Such must not be the case in Iraq...

Personally, I think making a comic about war to be in somewhat bad taste, since normally the comic is read for it's humorous outlook. I would have a problem if they were not reporting stories of deaths in "rebuilding" of Iraq, but not for blocking a downer of a comic in an otherwise upbeat section. I just think that this kind of thing should not be expressed in comics. Hence the reason I despise that stupid racially motivated strip, I cannot think of the name at this time.
You're thinking of Boondocks.

Anyway, both of these are essentially political cartoons and are often placed with the other editorial stuff rather than with the rest of the comics.

 

BornStar

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Every time I've seen Doonesbury (at least the Sunday comic) has been with the rest of the comics. It has no place there. It belongs on the editorial page with the rest of the political cartoons.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: BornStar18
Every time I've seen Doonesbury (at least the Sunday comic) has been with the rest of the comics. It has no place there. It belongs on the editorial page with the rest of the political cartoons.

This is where it is in the Detroit News as well.
 

Armitage

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Two off-topic points...

Governments have a long history of trying to "protect" the public from the true realities of war to prevent loss of support for their policies. For example, I read a story not to long ago (but don't know where) that during WWI, the brits took special care to bring their war dead & casuaties back to out-of-the-way ports in the dead of night so the public at large wouldn't have an understanding of the enormous casuaties they were taking.

-and-

I also read somewhere that the number of amputations from the Iraq war is significantly higher then previous conflicts. They attribute this largely to the improved body armor. Many soldiers who would have died previously now survive, but tend to lose their limbs where the body armor ends.
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's not violent. It's worth not reading for other reasons, but not because of violence.

Indeed. Doonesbury is just a step above Cathy or Mary Worth

uh no... doonesbury is a pretty awesome political cartoon.. i dunno about this one, but the ones about captitol hill have funny innuendo

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20040402

that's not funny?

and in my newspaper, it's in the editorial section (rightfully so)
 

PanzerIV

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Yes, we must shield harmless cartoons from our precious readers while REAL people are getting killed in gruesome ways almost every day in Iraq. We wouldn't want one of our easily upset readers to cancel their subscription so we must continue to ensure that we control what they see otherwise heavens forbid they might know that in real combat people die and are maimed in horrific ways. Ignorance is bliss afterall.