*Grand Jury*
"Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Unless it's none of our business, of course."
*National Television*
The leader of our country...of the free world...appears on national TV...to address an issue that has the American (world's?) public interest/concern. Instead of saying "Yeah, I made a mistake, a terrible mistake. I apologize to the American people and ask forgiveness"...he says to all of us (including those who stood by him, supported him, and believed in him) a complete, bald-faced lie.
I want to know what his story is about being AWOL in the National Guard. I like my war mongers to at least have served. They should also have an IQ at least in the triple digits.
No. You are missing the point. I agree, Bush should be questioned. But, if he is...is it ok if he lied?
As far as I can tell it seems to me that the American people spoke, and as a result we now have a Republican controlled Congress AND Whitehouse.
Now if there were as many people that were upset over the last election and felt that GWB was wrongly put in the Whitehouse and were THAT dissappointed over GWB policies and performance then these people would have made a statement this past election. So either this country in general are moving to a more conservative side OR all those who are that upset were too lazy to get out and vote.
The truth is that over all this country is going to a more conservative view.
Actually if he had done more after the '93 bombing, and after the embassy bombings, and THEN after the Cole bombing then yes the attack on 9-11 could have been prevented. But it all goes back to where Clinton's priorities were, he was getting a hummer in the oval office, and wasting our time lying about it rather than protecting the people who put him in office in the first place.
Bush has already taken out several of the key people involved in the USS Cole attack. Clinton got who? A blind cleric? Not enough was done after the '93 attack. If they had done some more investigating pehaps they would have learned that there was more to it than that. There was more of a fight to keep that little kid from Cuba here than investigating these bombings that occured throught the 90's.
If it wasn't a crime then why did he waste so much of our money lying about it? If it was just sex and there was no harm then why didn't he just stand up like a man and say "you know, I fvcked up, I had sex in office when I should not have"
He didnt' because he knew what he did was wrong, he knew that he had betrayed the American people.
The issue was not whether or not he had sex but whether or not he lied about it. On both counts the answer is yes.
Now if there were as many people that were upset over the last election and felt that GWB was wrongly put in the Whitehouse and were THAT dissappointed over GWB policies and performance then these people would have made a statement this past election. So either this country in general are moving to a more conservative side OR all those who are that upset were too lazy to get out and vote.
The truth is that over all this country is going to a more conservative view.
Actually if he had done more after the '93 bombing, and after the embassy bombings, and THEN after the Cole bombing then yes the attack on 9-11 could have been prevented. But it all goes back to where Clinton's priorities were, he was getting a hummer in the oval office, and wasting our time lying about it rather than protecting the people who put him in office in the first place.
Bush has already taken out several of the key people involved in the USS Cole attack. Clinton got who? A blind cleric? Not enough was done after the '93 attack. If they had done some more investigating pehaps they would have learned that there was more to it than that. There was more of a fight to keep that little kid from Cuba here than investigating these bombings that occured throught the 90's.
If it wasn't a crime then why did he waste so much of our money lying about it? If it was just sex and there was no harm then why didn't he just stand up like a man and say "you know, I fvcked up, I had sex in office when I should not have"
He didnt' because he knew what he did was wrong, he knew that he had betrayed the American people.
The issue was not whether or not he had sex but whether or not he lied about it. On both counts the answer is yes.
What part about that he shouldn't have even been in front of a grand jury, answering questions regarding his sex life in the first place?
And again I ask, obviously you believe he shouldn't have been before a Grand Jury...but do you believe that justifies him lying and commiting perjury?
Originally posted by: sean2002
Originally posted by: Electrode
Exactly what damage has Clinton done to the US?
Typical conservative bullshit...
Maybe if he would have acted when Osama declared war on the US people, we would not be mourning the victims of 9/11, but no he didn't, typical liberial.
You want to 'act' whenever some idiot declares war on the US people? How do you know that if he did 'act' we wouldn't be worse off than we are now?
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The reason why people voted Republican is because they are so blind to the situation that Bush has created. His ratings are only high because of 9/11. People don't realize how much freedom they have lost because of Bush and Ashcroft's crazy ideas.
Are you saying that because the President was getting blown in office, that caused a hindrance to his foreign policies and getting the perps? I'm sorry, but that trial about the President having sex took more of his time than getting a blowjob from Monica.
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So you admit he was being questioned about his sex life which they had no business to in the first place. I see a big difference between screwing one person than Bush screwing 30 million people of California.
Nobody whose hate for Clinton wasn't stronger than their love of country and respect for the office of Presidency would have ever put him through the witch hunt they did. When you are attacked unjustly by scum bag slime whose real intention is to destroy you personally and take down the country and the Presidency in the process if that's what it takes, perjury, perforce, becomes the the lesser of two evils. Nixon, Regan, and Clinton understood that. Regan escaped by playing the fool because it was an easy part for him.
It's ok for the president of the USA to commit perjury as long as the questions are personal and none of our business.
It's ok for the president of the USA to lie to all of America because it was a lie dealing with a subject that was none of our business.
Is that what you're saying?
It's not like he was handcuffed and thrown in front of the cameras to speak his piece. He voluntarily got in front of the cameras for the specific reason of lying to each and every one of us.
"Fvck 'em. I needed them to get in office, but now that I'm here I don't owe them a thing...and certainly not the truth."
I don't have a problem with the president having sex during his term in office. Hell, I don't have a problem with the president having sex in his office during his term.
What I do have a problem with is my president breaking the law and then lying about it when caught.
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Originally posted by: Gaard
I don't have a problem with the president having sex during his term in office. Hell, I don't have a problem with the president having sex in his office during his term.
So you dont have a problem with the president having sex, then what law did he break?
Personally, republicans (mostly the ones with christian ties) crack me up even more.
People get arrested for carrying dildos in texas, they get tried in court in Georgia for having sex outside of wedlock, a republican politican, a a huge Clinton critic, divorces and marries an employee after talking about "Family Values". I won't even get into Falwell and his kind...
Indeed, the fun never stops.
the issue regarding clintons impeacment is pretty much moot now because of two things:
1)congress should not have wasted all of the taxpayers money on a relatively minor issue.
2) clinton shouldnt have lied while under oath.
both parties are at fault so we move on.
1)congress should not have wasted all of the taxpayers money on a relatively minor issue.
2) clinton shouldnt have lied while under oath.
both parties are at fault so we move on.
her209 - <<Do you understand that if there is no real grounds for a trial then whether he lies or not really matters? >>
News to me. You mean because he didn't break any laws that commiting perjury while being questioned by a Grand Jury isn't illegal? I'm not sure I grasp your reasoning...a man can break the law if he's unjustly accused of breaking a different law?
her209 - <<So you dont have a problem with the president having sex, then what law did he break?>>
Isn't adultery still illegal?
"Did you commit adultery?"
"No"
News to me. You mean because he didn't break any laws that commiting perjury while being questioned by a Grand Jury isn't illegal? I'm not sure I grasp your reasoning...a man can break the law if he's unjustly accused of breaking a different law?
her209 - <<So you dont have a problem with the president having sex, then what law did he break?>>
Isn't adultery still illegal?
"Did you commit adultery?"
"No"
Because you feel that the whole 'sex' part of the issue is irrelevant, you believe that the lies and deceit and perjury commited by Clinton was not only justified, but ok. Right?
If it was ok...if there was no problem with it...if it was an ok thing to do, why lie about it? Why go on national TV and lie about it? Why commit perjury to a Grand Jury to it? Why risk losin the presidency of the United States by lying about it?
If it was ok...if there was no problem with it...if it was an ok thing to do, why lie about it? Why go on national TV and lie about it? Why commit perjury to a Grand Jury to it? Why risk losin the presidency of the United States by lying about it?
Hmm perhaps it was none of our freakin business? That's my opinion. I don't care if the president cheats on his wife. I care if the president makes my life better or worse. Clinton didn't make my life worse, therefore you are whiny children crying because you didn't win and/or couldn't have 'sexual relations' with a nice looking intern if your life depended on it.
Anyways, don't you think this topic has about been beat to death?
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