Clinton was an arrogant but head jerk that couldn't resist the temptation of sex in a situation that if exposed would give the kind of pigs that sniffed it out the equally irresistable temptation to leave a trail of pig sh!t they would drag the rest of the country through to bring him down He deserved every moment of shame he so richly earned. The American people did not deserve him or the swine that brought themselves and the whole country into the sty with them. The crime Clinton committed was one of stupendous lack of judgment. The Republican showed themselves to be his equal in that in every degree. They were identically disgusting.
That's the way you feel. I feel differently. I care whether my president lacks the morals to be faithful to his wife. I care if my president lies to me or tells me the truth.
"both parties are at fault so we move on". I beg to differ....Moonie still thinks moron Gore won.
Clinton lied his way into office...."My first priority is to reduce the tax burdon on the Middle class."
Clinton purjured himself while in office... " I did not have sex, blah, blah, blah"
Clinton lied about Whitewater..."I did nothing wrong."
Clinton embarassed the office of the presidency big time.....
Why did Vince Foster die? We'll probably never know, thanks to Clinton.
This list could continue till my keyboard broke. Where is the fault of the Republican party in these things? This country is fortunate to have rid itself of clinton and his ilk....
Clinton lied his way into office...."My first priority is to reduce the tax burdon on the Middle class."
Clinton purjured himself while in office... " I did not have sex, blah, blah, blah"
Clinton lied about Whitewater..."I did nothing wrong."
Clinton embarassed the office of the presidency big time.....
Why did Vince Foster die? We'll probably never know, thanks to Clinton.
This list could continue till my keyboard broke. Where is the fault of the Republican party in these things? This country is fortunate to have rid itself of clinton and his ilk....
Me too Gaard. I care too if my congress is so interested in their political ambitions and moral rectumtude that they have to dig pry and legally investigate at huge expense and embarrassment to all, the peccadilloes of a fool who otherwise beats them at everything they do.
ndee, get money out of campaigns and maybe some real Americans will have a chance. I see only jokers to the left and jokers to the right.
So you have two wrongs. Clinton and congress. Because one cost you money, the other is ok?
What is wrong with being a Clinton supporter but admitting that he made a mistake? Why do people feel, that because they belong to the same party, they're compelled to defend and deny?
"I supported Bill Clinton. I think he did a very good job of running the country. I'd support him again if he were able to run again. Yet, what he did was despicable. Lying to the American public was wrong. Perjuring himself was not an act that the president of the USA should ever make. Comitting adultery/cheating on his wife is reprehensible and morally lacking...yet that had nothing to do with being able to run the country."
Why have I never seen anyone say this?
Originally posted by: pulse8
Maybe it's because you're the one that's wrong?
Wrong about what? That what he did was wrong?
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I HAVE said this, many times. Hell, I'll say it again right now. Clinton is undeniably a sleazy figure, but was a highly effective, hardworking president who did a lot to better his country. His infidelities would never have been anyone else's business but for the Kenneth Starr-led witch hunt, but he had no right to lie to Congress and the American public. I think he was a talented, smart, but deeply flawed president.
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I was supportive of Clinton when he was in office (I voted for him in '96), and I'm now supportive of President Bush (though I don't know if I'll vote for him in '04). Call me crazy, but I don't find it enjoyable at all to verbally attack the President while we're under physical attack from suicidal Islamic fundamentalists.
yllus
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Oh who cares. He HAD to lie in order to put a semi-quick death to the entire scandal, the moronic, gleeful conservative overreactions to sex in the White House forced him into that position.
For people who supposedly support the office of the President, it's incredible to me to see how the conservative factions in the US nudged Ken Starr's "independent" inquiry into Whitewater completely away from the ethics of the deal and instead somehow centred around trying to tar and feather a sitting president about getting a blowjob. Way to spend $39.2 million.
Again...if what he did was NOT wrong then why lie about it in the first place?
This was not even about sex in office if you people will remember. It was about sexual harrasment which as far as I know IS illegal. It was during this investigation that it came to light that he had sex with an intern in the oval office. Which you are correct-is not illegal, improper maybe, possibly even immoral because he was/is married. The fact remain he was being investigated for something illegal and in the process got busted and in that process lied to the american people AND a grand jury. Whether or not you belive he should have been there in the first place is irrelevent. He lied once he got in front of the grand jury.
It's kinda like saying that if the WTC had not been there in the first place they would not have been hit. That's not the point. The point is they were hit and Clinton lied.
I beg to differ. People are paying CLOSER attention to what is going on around them because of the election, because of 9-11. Americans voted republican because it is what they want. If the democratic ideal is as strong in this country as some claim then it would have shown. It did not so that leave several possibilities
1) As I stated this country is going more conservative.
2) Liberals were either too stupid or too lazy to get out and vote.
Either way the Clinton/Liberal era is at an end. Look at Tom Daschel, he is wayyy out there. Trying to blame Rush for all his threats and hate mail. Never does he once stop to think that maybe it HIS policies and ideas that are contributing to this. He just wants to point the finger at others and blame them for his/the parties problems. With people like that in the Democratic party they do not need Republicans to say anything that would damage them anymore.
This was not even about sex in office if you people will remember. It was about sexual harrasment which as far as I know IS illegal. It was during this investigation that it came to light that he had sex with an intern in the oval office. Which you are correct-is not illegal, improper maybe, possibly even immoral because he was/is married. The fact remain he was being investigated for something illegal and in the process got busted and in that process lied to the american people AND a grand jury. Whether or not you belive he should have been there in the first place is irrelevent. He lied once he got in front of the grand jury.
It's kinda like saying that if the WTC had not been there in the first place they would not have been hit. That's not the point. The point is they were hit and Clinton lied.
I beg to differ. People are paying CLOSER attention to what is going on around them because of the election, because of 9-11. Americans voted republican because it is what they want. If the democratic ideal is as strong in this country as some claim then it would have shown. It did not so that leave several possibilities
1) As I stated this country is going more conservative.
2) Liberals were either too stupid or too lazy to get out and vote.
Either way the Clinton/Liberal era is at an end. Look at Tom Daschel, he is wayyy out there. Trying to blame Rush for all his threats and hate mail. Never does he once stop to think that maybe it HIS policies and ideas that are contributing to this. He just wants to point the finger at others and blame them for his/the parties problems. With people like that in the Democratic party they do not need Republicans to say anything that would damage them anymore.
yllus - <<Oh who cares. He HAD to lie...>>
Wheezer - <<Which you are correct-is not illegal...>>
Ok, everyone here go to Google and punch in 'adultery' and 'law'...and while you're at it, punch in 'Washington DC'.
Wheezer - <<Which you are correct-is not illegal...>>
Ok, everyone here go to Google and punch in 'adultery' and 'law'...and while you're at it, punch in 'Washington DC'.
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That really is the way most conservatives think, isn't it? THE LAW IS THE LAW AND THAT'S THAT, IT IS RIGHT.
Please, do us all a big favour and STFU. The fact is, for twisted political ends the conservatives of the country impeached and put a sitting president in front of a grand jury for having sex. His behaviour was improper, but your reaction is worse. Force a man to lie and he will indeed lie. Get over it, it hurt noone. Christ almighty.
Please, do us all a big favour and STFU. The fact is, for twisted political ends the conservatives of the country impeached and put a sitting president in front of a grand jury for having sex. His behaviour was improper, but your reaction is worse. Force a man to lie and he will indeed lie. Get over it, it hurt noone. Christ almighty.
When it comes to personal integrity, Clinton was no prize, but if you really want to get on his case, at least pick something more significant than lying about having his fly at half mast. You could always talk about taking illegal campaign contributions from Chinese nationals, but then, you'd have to consider who gave how much to Bush-lite's campaign, too. You could talk about giving the Chinese secret communications and rocket information, but then, you'd have to consider what payoffs this adminstration has given to their contributors.
So far, the Chinese have not launched rockets our way (or anyone's way), and as far as I know, they have not disrupted anyone's communications. I'm not saying they can't make use of this info against us, just that they haven't done so, yet.
OTOH, we have absolute proof that many of the major energy companies have already ripped Californaians, and others, a new asshole. Among those energy guys is Vice President Prick Cheyney who should be under the same legal microscope as Enron for his dealings as CEO of Haliburton. We know for a fact that they rolled back pollution control laws which will result in thousands of American deaths. We also know that Bushie's cozy buddie, Ken Lay, was able to keep the Feds away from investigating Enron's criminal tail for a long time, until the whole mess got so big that it exploded, resulting in the destruction of many thousand's of American's retirement security.
When it comes to common sense, Bush wants to stick with extending his tax cuts for the very wealthy while driving us deeper into debt to pay for a war against Saddam. Meanwhile, he hasn't come close to cleaning up the terrorists that blew up thousands of Americans on 9/11. He just got his "Homeland Security" act which, as written, does nothing to improve security. It won't even have it's act together for several years. For now, all it does toss some more financial breaks to corporate interests that have nothing to do with terrorism or security and create a larger bureaucracy to stumble over its own dick. Do I feel more secure? Hell NO! :Q
Then, there's the Wall Street crowd. We know for a fact that most of the big brokerage houses were as deep into kiting stocks as the CEO's who took the money and ran. So idiot Bush appoints Harvey Pitt to oversee them and clean up the mess. Of course, Pitt was only the lead attorney on behalf of most of that group before joining the Bush administration.
Then, we have Attorney General John Ashcroft, possibly the greatest threat to the U.S. Constitution of all times. He's a religious zealot who sites the Constitution when he thinks it supports his point of view, but he's just as ready to shred it when he wants to go another way. That man scares the living piss out of me. :disgust:
In that same vein is John Poindexter. He's the schmuck who wants to log your every phone call, e-mail, credit card purchase and anything else that leaves a record. He's also the asshole who lied to Congress about Iran - Contra. What a guy. He sells arms to our sworn enemy, the Ayatollah, and he sends the money and supplies to the Contras in Nicaragua, in direct violation of Federal law. Then, he and his buddy, Ollie North, lie to Congress about it. Both of them should be shot for treason. Good choice, Bushie! :|
I'm very concerned about such "conservative" issues as my Constitutional rights as a citizen. I am astounded at how many self-proclaimed conservatives are not, and I have to ask, WTF are you trying to "conserve?"
As I said, Clinton was no ethical hero, but as presidents go, Bush is the booby prize. :|
Go ahead, Tominator and the rest of you self-styled "conservatives." Call me a liberal. I promise, I'll take it as a compliment. But before you attack me by calling me other rude names, try to find some credible links with any proof that what I've written, here, is false. If you can't, I hope your conservative conscience is bothered by what's really going on with the Bush administration.
A real conservative is one who is slow, thoughtful and deliberative in making changes in order to "conserve" what is good in what already exists and avoid jumping into hasty mistakes. It has nothing to do with being anal about which party is in power. I hope that you come to some real understanding of the mean of the term.
So far, the Chinese have not launched rockets our way (or anyone's way), and as far as I know, they have not disrupted anyone's communications. I'm not saying they can't make use of this info against us, just that they haven't done so, yet.
OTOH, we have absolute proof that many of the major energy companies have already ripped Californaians, and others, a new asshole. Among those energy guys is Vice President Prick Cheyney who should be under the same legal microscope as Enron for his dealings as CEO of Haliburton. We know for a fact that they rolled back pollution control laws which will result in thousands of American deaths. We also know that Bushie's cozy buddie, Ken Lay, was able to keep the Feds away from investigating Enron's criminal tail for a long time, until the whole mess got so big that it exploded, resulting in the destruction of many thousand's of American's retirement security.
When it comes to common sense, Bush wants to stick with extending his tax cuts for the very wealthy while driving us deeper into debt to pay for a war against Saddam. Meanwhile, he hasn't come close to cleaning up the terrorists that blew up thousands of Americans on 9/11. He just got his "Homeland Security" act which, as written, does nothing to improve security. It won't even have it's act together for several years. For now, all it does toss some more financial breaks to corporate interests that have nothing to do with terrorism or security and create a larger bureaucracy to stumble over its own dick. Do I feel more secure? Hell NO! :Q
Then, there's the Wall Street crowd. We know for a fact that most of the big brokerage houses were as deep into kiting stocks as the CEO's who took the money and ran. So idiot Bush appoints Harvey Pitt to oversee them and clean up the mess. Of course, Pitt was only the lead attorney on behalf of most of that group before joining the Bush administration.
Then, we have Attorney General John Ashcroft, possibly the greatest threat to the U.S. Constitution of all times. He's a religious zealot who sites the Constitution when he thinks it supports his point of view, but he's just as ready to shred it when he wants to go another way. That man scares the living piss out of me. :disgust:
In that same vein is John Poindexter. He's the schmuck who wants to log your every phone call, e-mail, credit card purchase and anything else that leaves a record. He's also the asshole who lied to Congress about Iran - Contra. What a guy. He sells arms to our sworn enemy, the Ayatollah, and he sends the money and supplies to the Contras in Nicaragua, in direct violation of Federal law. Then, he and his buddy, Ollie North, lie to Congress about it. Both of them should be shot for treason. Good choice, Bushie! :|
I'm very concerned about such "conservative" issues as my Constitutional rights as a citizen. I am astounded at how many self-proclaimed conservatives are not, and I have to ask, WTF are you trying to "conserve?"
As I said, Clinton was no ethical hero, but as presidents go, Bush is the booby prize. :|
Go ahead, Tominator and the rest of you self-styled "conservatives." Call me a liberal. I promise, I'll take it as a compliment. But before you attack me by calling me other rude names, try to find some credible links with any proof that what I've written, here, is false. If you can't, I hope your conservative conscience is bothered by what's really going on with the Bush administration.
A real conservative is one who is slow, thoughtful and deliberative in making changes in order to "conserve" what is good in what already exists and avoid jumping into hasty mistakes. It has nothing to do with being anal about which party is in power. I hope that you come to some real understanding of the mean of the term.
Originally posted by: yllus
That really is the way most conservatives think, isn't it? THE LAW IS THE LAW AND THAT'S THAT, IT IS RIGHT.
Please, do us all a big favour and STFU. The fact is, for twisted political ends the conservatives of the country impeached and put a sitting president in front of a grand jury for having sex. His behaviour was improper, but your reaction is worse. Force a man to lie and he will indeed lie. Get over it, it hurt noone. Christ almighty.
Might I suggest that you, sir, STFU. Nobody was forced to lie. I don't care for what reasons he was put before a Grand Jury. The fact is he perjured himself. The fact is, he went on national TV and lied to our faces. The fact is, he risked losing face...risked losing the presidency of the United States...risked losing the respect of every US citizen, not for having sex with an intern, but for lying about it. Christ almighty.
Originally posted by: Gaard
yllus - <<Oh who cares. He HAD to lie...>>
Wheezer - <<Which you are correct-is not illegal...>>
Ok, everyone here go to Google and punch in 'adultery' and 'law'...and while you're at it, punch in 'Washington DC'.
here is what I found: Maryland (Adultery results in a $10 fine and is grounds for divorce) here
Ok, Ok if your not too smart you learn something new every day.
I truly hope for your sake that nothing happens to you or anyone you know, such as them getting hurt or killed by a drunk driver, or wrong place at the wrong time and they are killed by someone else either intentionally or not. You may change your tune. We have laws for reason. They should apply for EVERYONE evenly across the board. If you cannot take responsibility for your actions and be a big enough person to take your lumps then don't do the crime.
Again. The more that the American people hear and see from the Democrats/Liberals the less the Republicans need to say or do. The dems will hang themselves if given enough rope.
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