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This picture says a lot about modern politics

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PC Surgeon said:
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You can go back to the 2006-2007 range and find the left, especially on this board (who could forget Harvey Macros? 😀 ) giving the neoconservatives exactly what they deserved. Yet here we are some years later and nothing from the left is said. Why? Does our integrity rest on what side the Presidency resides? Seems to be the case from what I can tell. Anywho the above cartoon fits.
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The only thing your comic does is a disservice to actual politics. Yeah, American politics is rather satirical, but it's more complicated than what a simple illustration can deliver. Pulling out from a war is not easy as it sounds, and it has nothing to do with whether you're on the right and on the left. There are a lot of factors to consider when a nation is embedded in another. Take Afghanistan, you think that Obama can just come into office and end the war started by Bush with a snap of his fingers? There is a population of Afghans who are dependent on us, especially after we've encamped ourselves in their borders. Lives have been destroyed. So it's not just blind party favors, it's also about having the critical mindset to know that shit don't happen over night, especially on Capital Hill.

Me personally, I have no problems with Republicans or Democrats if they're sensible. I do have a problem with the idiots that complain and gripe about everything, which I see a lot of on these boards--gripes and bitching that comes without a single shred of thought behind it.
 
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Moonbeam said:
Rachel Maddow expecially, never criticizes the Obama on the war. Bush was one of the greatest disasters ever to happen to America, voted for by the brain dead posting here.

Once we were f'ed by Bush, the debate turns to the best way our and back from a gigantic tragedy. That is a complex and difficult issue, way way over the heads of the morons posting here who think they have all the answers. My personal opinion is that Obama is getting us out, but not fast enough in my opinion. My opinion, however, is worthless, the difference being that I know it.
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Yeah Bush got permission to start a war from Congress and O'Bammah the Muslim terrorist did not. He sees no problem in a muslim major killing his fellow military members and having the CIA delivering weapons to terrorists and telling lies to hide how these same terrorist killed the state department official connected with selling arms to terrorists and getting killed in the process.

O'Bammah is the biggest Muslim Terrorist on Earth.
 
This is pathetic, The people criticizing him but not saying anything about obama are just POS and hypocrites. Useless scum that need some common sense instilled into them. Even on this forum I have seen people defending obama killing children with drone strikes as "collateral damage"
 
Incorruptible said:
This is pathetic, The people criticizing him but not saying anything about obama are just POS and hypocrites. Useless scum that need some common sense instilled into them. Even on this forum I have seen people defending obama killing children with drone strikes as "collateral damage"
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You will continue to hear the words collateral damage.....why?
Because it`s true!!
If you had your way there would be no drone strikes or any other kind of strikes.

I am sorry but war is hell and innocent people get killed...there is no fool proof way to keep innocent people from getting killed...is there?

Please extrapolate....
 
JEDIYoda said:
You will continue to hear the words collateral damage.....why?
Because it`s true!!
If you had your way there would be no drone strikes or any other kind of strikes.

I am sorry but war is hell and innocent people get killed...there is no fool proof way to keep innocent people from getting killed...is there?

Please extrapolate....
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Thanks for proving my point!

Considering these strikes are un-Constitutional I will oppose them. These strikes and wars are only making the US less safe. These countries dont pose a threat to the US but we go into these wars and launch the strikes to serve the MIC which makes billions from them.

The wars also were not authorized by congress since only the congress can declare war. The US foreign policy of being the worlds police exists to serve the MIC and line the pockets of the corrupt politicians who receive donations from lobbying.

Do you actually believe that these strikes make the US safer? Consider this, When obama is killing innocent children in Pakistan what do you think happens with their fathers? Many of these fathers then become terrorists and work to kill Americans

The hellfire missles alone cost around $60,000 each

http://www.fact-index.com/a/ag/agm_114_hellfire_1.html
 
PC Surgeon said:
I'm not following your point.
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My point is this: St. Reagan (Hallowed be thy name) allowed an influx of middle-man to govern the nation....

\there's been no "left" in government.... just middle-men....
\\funny as history would come around to find St. Reagan a "lefty".
 
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UberNeuman said:
My point is this: St. Reagan (Hallowed be thy name) allowed an influx of middle-man to govern the nation....

\there's been no "left" in government.... just middle-men....
\\funny as history would come around to find St. Reagan a "lefty".
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I do not admire nor hate Reagan but I realize there are many Republicans that think he was the best thing since sliced bread. But I think what you are trying to say is that Reagan opened the door for corporate america in american politics. Would that be correct? And if so, would you not agree that policies enacted since then are progressive (leftist) in nature?
 
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UberNeuman said:
Are we still fighting the Iraq War? Which was the focus of the "lefties" attacks on the botched Bush administration.
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Which monkey are you? Certainly one of them. We heard about abuses of the Constitution and now Obama endorses and expands what was decried. We heard about deceptionused to get us involved in the Iraq and when the chance came to investigate? Nothing. Now you protect our Fearless Leaders ass. The cartoon is spot on.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Which monkey are you? Certainly one of them. We heard about abuses of the Constitution and now Obama endorses and expands what was decried. We heard about deceptionused to get us involved in the Iraq and when the chance came to investigate? Nothing. Now you protect our Fearless Leaders ass. The cartoon is spot on.
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Agree, bush opponents were screaming about him being a tyrant, calling him hitler and a fascist, Now those same morons dont say anything about obama and have the nerve to defend the POS, Pathetic excuses for human beings
 
Moonbeam said:
Rachel Maddow expecially, never criticizes the Obama on the war. Bush was one of the greatest disasters ever to happen to America, voted for by the brain dead posting here.

Once we were f'ed by Bush, the debate turns to the best way our and back from a gigantic tragedy. That is a complex and difficult issue, way way over the heads of the morons posting here who think they have all the answers. My personal opinion is that Obama is getting us out, but not fast enough in my opinion. My opinion, however, is worthless, the difference being that I know it.
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Personally I feel that not only were we screwed by Bush but by Obama too. Granted he hasn't gotten us involved in new wars for which I'll give him credit, but when we were outraged by the deception many thought we'd have justice. All the comparisons to Hitler and others like him? It's as if those atrocities never happened. Remember how Obama promised accountability for ATT's part in wiretapping? Not only did he "forget", but he protected them and expanded the program. Are illegal wiretaps happening domestically? You can't even ask that question in court. Remember how a US citizen was held without his rights? Thats now something we have to wonder about since they would be held beyond our borders out of all knowledge, but a real possibility.

No my friend, we were betrayed. Look here and see how they protect their own. Not many of us held true.
 
Obama definitely chickened out on going after the previous administration. But Americans have a history of this sort of thing -- we are generally pretty cowardly when it comes to holding politicians accountable. I think the folks in charge view it as a "pay it forward" sort of thing.. they let stuff slide so that their successors will do the same for them. And the people are denied justice.

All that said, while you can certainly criticize Obama a lot, comparing drone strikes to the Iraq War is flatly stupid. Majorities of all American groups support the strikes, and it's probably because the collateral damage is actually a lot lower than the alternatives.
 
CharlesKozierok said:
How is it "spot on" to say that an unnecessary war based on lies that cost over 100,000 deaths and about a trillion dollars wasted, is equivalent to a few hundred collateral deaths as a result of drone strikes?
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I decided to peek. Read my last post. I was against the war from day one. I held to that. I was against every despicable act done. In those days I was "the far left" as defined by others. I demanded accountability for abuses and their reversal. When did we those investigative beyond hearings? When did we end extraordinary rendition? When did we stop abuses of power? We didn't. Well we have appeals to emotion going on in DC to give power to control guns. We have Obamacare. What have we for the things I mention? No hope, no change. Defend that if you wish. I'll have none of it.
 
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