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this mta strike in NYC
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Sure he does. People have died cause fast food places undercooked their burgers for instance, and how can we forget the coffee incident....
Besides, the level of stupidity required by the train operator would have to be massive. If you run a red light, the emergency brakes are tripped on the train.
loup garou
Lifer
Awesome, where they at? I could use a free breakfast tomorrow.
No, all you need to do is train 50 train drivers in the first 24hrs or whatever emergency interval. All you do is watch for Green light go, Red, stop. Use the swivel joystick in the drivers booth to increase speed clockwise, decrease, go counterclockwise.
You think in a city/PUBLIC employed entity of 33,000 workers...
all are actually needed and doing essential work?
don't need all 33,000 slackers.
If that body of 'workers' was allowed to float in the free market conditions instead of protected by a Union, there'd have been several rounds of layoffs in the 90's alone such that the workforce would probably be 23 to 28 thousand...
rh71
No Lifer
some dude got interviewed while being stuck in traffic. Obviously he was frustrated because of it. The reporter asked... what do you have to say about all this... he screams "give them what they want". Idiot. Why is it that we don't give in to terrorist demands ? Because they will come back and do it again. What is the TWU doing AGAIN ? Because the MTA gave in back in 1980. Never again. Stand fast.
correct, that was the case around 2 yrs ago...MTA gave in back then.
MTA was right to offer something fairish... but MTA shouldn't have given in again and good thing they did not. And it was the TWU's call to go the illegal route.
But in between now and the next three yrs, it will be the MTA's turn to get heat from the public, as they're slotted to raise fares.
The TWU will not win the public opinion game with people freezing their ass to get home and comtemplating getting back to work the next day when they get to bed 12 midnight.
From doing a little more reading it seems like it is somewhere in between. The union was asking for 30%, the MTA was offering 9%. The ended up settling on 17%.
Although I honestly think they should just fire the whole sorry lot and hire back any scabs. The workers have far more to lose. They are easily replaceable, and the subway will run soon again, with or without them.
There would be people lining up at the doors to take their jobs for half of what they already make. I say they do it. The union deserves to lose their jobs for doing this.
How is driving any different? Dont know how to brake a car and youll end up flying past the red lights. Driving a stick shift is a million times harder. If you can drive a car, a train is nothing. Just need a little practice so you know the physics of the things, and off you go. Give the conductor a list of the stations and show him how to press a few buttons, and voila.
They would need a few people to handle the traffic control, but there are other municipalities around that would jizz their pants to take the job if theyre paid enough. The rest are token clerks, cleaners, painters etc, and that isnt exactly skilled work.
Hire a few temp mechanics while the new ones are trained etc. It would be hell for a few days, but honestly, all the MTA would have to do is show their serious about replacing them, and every single one of them will come crying back about how they were just kidding about the whole strike thing, they didnt really mean it. This is like the major league umpires going on strike.
KarenMarie
Elite Member
the city issued a million dollars a day fine against the union and wants to fine each worker 2 days pay for every day they strike.
i say GOOD! their strike is illegal, their requests are insanely greedy and their tatics to hold the city hostage at Christmas is reprehensible.
they should be thankful that they even have a job, never mind a high paying one and getting offered a raise that is higher than inflation.
i say GOOD! their strike is illegal, their requests are insanely greedy and their tatics to hold the city hostage at Christmas is reprehensible.
they should be thankful that they even have a job, never mind a high paying one and getting offered a raise that is higher than inflation.
Turkish
Lifer
yeah sure... and those other 32,950 will simply keep working when you replace their 50 friends... dude are you out of your mind? look what happened when their request got denied... i cannot imagine the kind of strike they'd go for when 50 or more people get fired...
p.s. you need way way more than 50 only to operate trains.
"The critical test of the Reagan administration?and, more significantly, the turning point in class relations in the United States?came with the strike of nearly 12,000 members of the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PATCO) in August 1981. Ironically, PATCO had endorsed the election of Reagan the previous year, after being told privately that a Republican administration would respond favorably to the union?s demands for improved wages and working conditions. However, in accordance with plans that had actually been drawn up during the Carter administration, Reagan announced that he would fire all controllers who did not return to work within 48 hours. There is ample reason to believe that the Reagan administration received assurances from the AFL-CIO that the labor federation would take no action in support of PATCO. There was widespread sentiment among rank-and-file trade unionists for solidarity action to prevent the destruction of PATCO. Had the AFL-CIO ordered industrial action in support of the air traffic controllers, the Reagan administration would have been forced to retreat, thereby suffering a devastating defeat early in its first term.
But demands for solidarity action were rejected by the AFL-CIO. Four leaders of PATCO went to jail, nearly 12,000 air traffic controllers lost their jobs, and the union was destroyed.
This set the pattern that was followed again and again throughout the 1980s. Bitter strikes were fought by coal miners, steel workers, bus drivers, airline workers, copper miners, auto workers and meatpacking workers. In each and every case, the striking workers were isolated by the national trade union organizations, denied any meaningful support, and consigned, deliberately, to defeat. In the meantime, employers throughout the country pursued their strike-breaking tactics with full confidence that they enjoyed the support of the Reagan administration.
By the time Reagan left office in 1989, the American trade union movement, thanks to the betrayals of the AFL-CIO, had ceased to exist as a social movement."
While I don't agree with betraying a word you gave (as happened in that case), I'd be fine with seeing something like this happen again. However, I won't hold my breath on Bush actually doing something useful.
But demands for solidarity action were rejected by the AFL-CIO. Four leaders of PATCO went to jail, nearly 12,000 air traffic controllers lost their jobs, and the union was destroyed.
This set the pattern that was followed again and again throughout the 1980s. Bitter strikes were fought by coal miners, steel workers, bus drivers, airline workers, copper miners, auto workers and meatpacking workers. In each and every case, the striking workers were isolated by the national trade union organizations, denied any meaningful support, and consigned, deliberately, to defeat. In the meantime, employers throughout the country pursued their strike-breaking tactics with full confidence that they enjoyed the support of the Reagan administration.
By the time Reagan left office in 1989, the American trade union movement, thanks to the betrayals of the AFL-CIO, had ceased to exist as a social movement."
While I don't agree with betraying a word you gave (as happened in that case), I'd be fine with seeing something like this happen again. However, I won't hold my breath on Bush actually doing something useful.
OutHouse
Lifer
you know if they do get that i would seriously consider leaving my corporate IT job and go drive a damn bus. think about it, no servers, no pager, no stupid users, plus almost what i am making now and i wont have to pay out 220 a month for health insurance and i can retire with a pesnion at 50.
man that is a cool deal, where can i sign up? and why did i bust my ass in college when i can make an equal living driving bus?
true it's not all that simple.... I know that. But you want to know something? If it wasn't for the unions for decades I'm not to certain there wouldn't have been some automation.
Look how hard it is to close a firehouse and how hard it is to rid trains of conductors...unions, and crime deterance like nukes supposedly keep the world 'in check'.
I'm not for all automation, I'm all for instilling the deterioration of the feel of 'diplomatic immunity' of the TWU members when the product has no reason to be so bad.
KarenMarie
Elite Member
i remember when that happened. i doubt this strike will last long enough to get to the federal or executive level. Bloomberg... like him or not... will not back down and will fight to punish the unions as much as possible. I believe the same of Pataki. and they seem to have the courts on their side.... so far.
TitanDiddly
Guest
'Living wage' is bullcrap. If your services are worth $47k a year, you will get paid $47k a year. Driving a bus, collecting money for tokens, or any other MTA job is not a $47k per year job. Their services are worth no more than $20k, or less considering that you could build a robot for less than that that will operate for free(less electricity, maintenance) for the rest of its life.
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