This makes my blood boil (ME3 Rant)

[AFurryReptile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM

Consoles aren't killing PC gaming - EA is. In everything they produce, in every unique developer that they gobble up, they are stifling innovation for profit. They've killed so many great titles that it's sickening, and I honestly haven't/won't support them anymore. I was really looking forward to preordering ME3, but I guess I'll wait until it's $5. Or better yet, maybe I'll pirate it.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Hm, exclusive DLC for when you buy other things...reminds you of what EA tried to do with pre-order exclusives in BF3.

 

[gorcorps]

If you feel like pirating the game, then that means they've produced a game you want and should then pay for it. If you don't want to support them then you don't play the game. Don't use your twisted logic to try and make it okay.

 

[rivan]

There's nothing new here. Nothing at all, and I saw this coming within minutes of seeing the very first monetized DLC.

His outrage is totally out of place. His assertion that "development budget" was spent then "content was ripped out". How does he know this? How does he know that there wasn't a separate concurrent DLC budget? What difference does it make WHEN DLC is developed?

Basically he's mad that there's DLC that he really wants that was developed before launch and isn't included with the standard edition.

 

[Glitchny]

Oh another DLC complaint. Nothing new to see here.

 

[Maximilian]

For you EA

 

[nurturedhate]

Would you buy the game for $35 if it lacked special effects, i.e. muzzle flash and explosions? What about paying $65 for HD textures? What if you went to the movies and the studio had the theater charge you $5 extra for the ticket if you wanted to hear the villain's lines along with another $5 to rent the ear piece to hear said lines?

 

[AFurryReptile]

Would you buy the game for $35 if it lacked special effects, i.e. muzzle flash and explosions? What about paying $65 for HD textures? What if you went to the movies and the studio had the theater charge you $5 extra for the ticket if you wanted to hear the villain's lines along with another $5 to rent the ear piece to hear said lines?

THIS is what I'm talking about. You just know that Bioware had this character in the game long before EA was involved. This character is what we've been dying to see for TWO FULL GAMES previous to it, and EA saw it as a good chance to make it DLC, bend us over and charge 20 bucks for it.

I'm not advocating piracy. I don't pirate anything. But damn does EA make it tempting.

 

[dmoney1980]

WOW, thank you EA, I hate you even more now. Sadly, I'll be paying for the damn DLC, I mean c'mon it's

Spoiler

a playable prothean character!

 

[JSt0rm]

Just remember if you pirate it you show a demand. Wouldn't it be wonderful if pirates boycotted ea? Then when ea says waaaaa sales are down look at all the pirates and there aren't any. Wouldn't that be true power?

 

[JSt0rm]

Would you buy the game for $35 if it lacked special effects, i.e. muzzle flash and explosions? What about paying $65 for HD textures? What if you went to the movies and the studio had the theater charge you $5 extra for the ticket if you wanted to hear the villain's lines along with another $5 to rent the ear piece to hear said lines?

You pay more for 3d movies.

 

[Anubis]

i would prob care is i actually played any mass efect games

 

[ImpulsE69]

This has been coming for awhile. Just wait until your in game choices also feature a grayed out area that says "AVAILABLE ONLY WITH SUCH AND SUCH DLC - CLICK TO PURCHASE"

Day One DLC is a scam plain and simple. It's a money grab and planned from the beginning. Considering that it says avail in CE, it WAS ripped out.

Fug it. I won't be getting this until the GOTY edition if $5..then again..after the mess that was 2, maybe I'll just skip it. There are new games coming out all the time. We don't HAVE to cater to this, but we already know 90% of you will.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

This has been coming for awhile. Just wait until your in game choices also feature a grayed out area that says "AVAILABLE ONLY WITH SUCH AND SUCH DLC - CLICK TO PURCHASE"

Day One DLC is a scam plain and simple. It's a money grab and planned from the beginning.

Fug it. I won't be getting this until the GOTY edition if $5..then again..after the mess that was 2, maybe I'll just skip it. There are new games coming out all the time. We don't HAVE to cater to this, but we already know 90% of you will.

EA has already talked about the concept of people paying to reload in-game:

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-3/1405701-ea-ceo-talks-about-pay-play-bf.html

 

[SMOGZINN]

The problem with this is that if consumers don't stand up and say no, then we are going to end up with games that are pay to install and then pay per character, quest, objective, match. They will just break games up into as many pieces as possible and sell it all separately.

 

[MustangSVT]

are they pulling same shit with console version?

 

[Stuka87]

Oh, another one of these post. Now yes it would be great if they didn't pull this crap. But they are, and I doubt whining about it will change it. The only thing that would change it is to somehow get everybody to not buy the game until they stopped. And the chances of this happening are somewhat nil.

 

[Childs]

Maybe its time for the gaming industry to crash again so they can get back to basics.

 

[DeadFred]

EA has already talked about the concept of people paying to reload in-game:

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-3/1405701-ea-ceo-talks-about-pay-play-bf.html

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The day that happens is the day I retire from gaming.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The day that happens is the day I retire from gaming.

Did you actually listen to the recording? I'm paraphrasing here, because I can't remember exactly and don't want to listen again but basically he said something like you know, when the customer is in the middle of a firefight and it costs money to reload, we've got them at that point.

The worst part was, he talked about how he personally spends thousands on microtransactions per year...well, I'm not a big corporate CEO. My gaming budget is in the hundreds per year, not thousands, and it ain't all going to first person shooter microtransactions for reloads.

 

[ImpulsE69]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The day that happens is the day I retire from gaming.

You don't have to retire, you just have to not buy THOSE games. Like I said, there's lots of options out there.

 

[Via]

I've definitely decided that I'm not buying this thing right now.

I think it might be a Xmas sale buy at the earliest for me.

 

[irishScott]

Meh, call me a hopeless optimist, but it IS possible that they fully developed the game, and then developed the DLC. Making it legit DLC. Frankly

Spoiler

whether the DLC features a prothean or not

we'll have to play the game and see as to whether it matters or not, all we can do now is infer.

In any case, I'll be buying the DLC anyway. I shelled out for it for ME2, and because I'm so wrapped up in the story I'll shell out for it again. Still cheaper than the collector's edition, combined price. But from here on out I'm not pre-ordering any more EA games. And if they do start ripping out parts of a completed game to repackage as DLC, I'll stop buying their games as well.

 

[Zenoth]

I think that the best way to deal with this without ignoring the game entirely is to wait for a price reduction that would be the equivalent of the full price but with the DLC included (and perhaps more). Something along the lines of a GOTY edition at around $50 including one or two DLCs with maybe one or two extra (useless, but there nonetheless) items.

What I don't understand though is that it happened with ME2 and I can't recall much outrage about that one (was there any?). All I can recall from day one ME2 was frenzy and excitement when the game was finally decrypting on Steam (excluding the somewhat annoying troubles related to the Cerberus Network connection issues during the first few hours that I amongst others experienced). And by the way I am referring to the Cerberus Network here, being the day one DLC for ME2, it was a DLC service. There's also the Normandy Crash Site day one DLC from what I can remember.

I wonder if people ask themselves if other developers did that as well before BioWare, because right now it looks like people are pointing at BioWare as if it was happening for the first time. Do gamers ask themselves if Oblivion's Horse Armor was in fact made during the game's main development phase before going Gold, only to end up as a downloadable item later on? Oh, I'm not saying it was indeed the case, but I'm wondering if people even ask themselves if it could have been so. It's surely not "just" BioWare, even if EA has something to do with it somewhere in there.

Sure, I don't like it when I see that happen (day one DLCs that look like was just cut out from the "full game" to end up as a separate and paid-for content, that's surely possible), but it's not the first time, and it's not just BioWare. I think it's just "another business practice", of course to make money. If a consumer doesn't like that he/she has to vote with the wallet, ultimately anyway.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Meh, call me a hopeless optimist, but it IS possible that they fully developed the game, and then developed the DLC. Making it legit DLC. Frankly

Spoiler

whether the DLC features a prothean or not

we'll have to play the game and see as to whether it matters or not, all we can do now is infer.

In any case, I'll be buying the DLC anyway. I shelled out for it for ME2, and because I'm so wrapped up in the story I'll shell out for it again. Still cheaper than the collector's edition, combined price. But from here on out I'm not pre-ordering any more EA games. And if they do start ripping out parts of a completed game to repackage as DLC, I'll stop buying their games as well.

If they are both ready by the release date, then it's definitely a questionable tactic to release it separately for extra. Standard pricing for video games is what, $59.99 now? This is a way around that. I wonder if there have been any studies done of how much gameplay(in hours) is provided in the average standalone release, and how much is provided in the base release and the separate day 1 DLC releases like this. If the results showed as, say, 30 hours for the average standalone release, and 25 + 5 in the average release + optional DLC, then that would be significant.