This makes me mad!

randomint

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Why did they kill the lion? Also read the bolded part. They don't know which lion attacked (I don't know how they could) but they killed 2 anyway! WTH???

why do such wild animals have to be killed if they attack humans when HUMANS invade their space? Freakin' don't go there if it's that dangerous!

it's another thing if it's a crazy man-eating lion that just keeps coming and attacking villagers or something.

stupid humans!

full article


US woman fights off lion with pen
Nell and Jim Hamm
Jim Hamm is in fair condition after suffering multiple lacerations
A 65-year-old Californian woman has saved the life of her husband, 70, by fighting off an attacking mountain lion with a small log and his pen.

Jim and Nell Hamm were walking in the Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park when the cougar wrestled Jim to the ground.

Nell started hitting the animal with the log but it kept hold of Jim's head. She then tried to stick the pen in its eye. The cougar eventually let go.

Mr Hamm is in fair condition after having his lips stitched back together.

He also suffered scalp lacerations and puncture wounds.

"She saved his life, there's no doubt," said Steve Martarano, spokesman for the Department of Fish and Game.

The park, 320 miles (515km) north of San Francisco, was closed after the incident and wardens tracked down and killed a pair of lions near the trail where the attack happened.

Passing ranger

The couple are experienced hikers but said they had not seen a mountain lion before.

Mountain lion in Queens Zoo, New York
Mountain lions range from British Columbia to South America

Mrs Hamm told Associated Press news agency that when the cougar attacked, her husband did not scream. "It was a different, horrible plea for help, and I turned around, and by then the cat had wrestled Jim to the ground."

She added: "Jim was talking to me all through this, and he said, 'I've got a pen in my pocket and get the pen and jab him in the eye.'

"So I got the pen and tried to put it in his eye, but it didn't want to go in as easy as I thought it would."

The pen bent, so Mrs Hamm went back to the log.

The cougar eventually gave up. It stared at her as she screamed and waved the log, before it wandered off.

After the attack, the couple had to struggle to a trail head 400 metres away, where Mrs Hamm gathered more sticks to fend off any more attacks. A passing ranger then summoned aid.

The dead cougars are undergoing tests to determine if either was responsible for the mauling.

Mountain lions are usually tawny in colour with black-tipped ears and range from British Columbia to the southern tip of South America.

Adult males can grow to eight feet in length (2.4m) and weigh on average 150lbs (68kg).


 

KarenMarie

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I kinda agree wit you, randomint.

Human have taken and destroyed the natural habitat of numerous species of wild animals. And when the animals do what animals do, they are killed. It is sad. But I do not think you will get much support for opinion around here.

:(
 

andy04

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We humans have a history of doing this... specially in CA and NY/New England we have cut down uncountable acers of forests to build, nothing new... where will the poor wild animals go... Apart from this we deforest like hell, its just that this time its reported. So many of them die due to destruction of their habitat...
 

KarenMarie

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Originally posted by: nkgreen
If they're not endangerded, whats the big deal?

suppose someone took all your money, material possessions and kicked you out of your home... and to eat or feed your kids, you stole a loaf of bread. Then suppose you and your entire family were shot in the head for stealing that loaf of bread.

Humans aren't endangered, so no big deal, right?

;)
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: nkgreen
If they're not endangerded, whats the big deal?

Wildlife doing what wildlife does in a wildlife area. The people were successful in fighting off the attack so why did authorities feel the need to hunt down 2 random mountain lions and kill them? It's not like the mountain lions will communicate the punishment to all the other mountain lions in the area.

KarenMarie is right though. You will get very little support in this forum.
 

Aikouka

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It was a state park... they were assuring the safety of the people that wish to visit said park... you know the people that pay the taxes that fund the park?
 

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It doesn't make sense to treat these animals like criminals. They are not bound to our laws and should not be expected to be. They are just doing what they know what to do to survive.

Live and let live
 

randomint

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Originally posted by: nkgreen
If they're not endangerded, whats the big deal?

i don't want to insult you but that is a very ignorant response and precisely what the problem is with us humans. this line of thinking leads to the view that as long as a species is not endangered, it is OK to hunt them (or continue the activities that harm them) until they ARE endangered or close to extinction.

but that's digressing from the main point i'm trying to get across and that is why the heck do people go hiking or whatever in areas where they KNOW they might come across such dangerous animals that will act as they are SUPPOSED to act.

It's a different thing when an animal sort of develops a taste for humans (as has happened so many times in Africa) and it has to be put down.

If you love hiking so much, go to a dedicated trail that is relatively safe.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that: Do you HAVE to, really truly HAVE to go hiking in a place where you know there are such wild animals?
 

andy04

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Its just sad to see so many people in this thread are so ignorant. We really need get out of the NFL/NBA trance and look out of our "beer/pizza/sex" life
 

zeruty

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human life > any other living thing on earth.

I would kill a thousand mountain lions to save one human life.

Animal life should never be held above a human life.
And this crap about us invading their territory... That's what happens. That's life. You don't think they would invade another species territory if they could? Humans are part of the ecosystem on earth just like any other species...We do what we must, if other species lose out, tough s***, that's life. It's called survival of the fittest... and with our intelligence, we just happen to be the most fit.
 

waggy

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It attacked a person. i have no trouble having it killed. while sad i am not upset over it.
 

randomint

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Originally posted by: zeruty
It's called survival of the fittest... and with our intelligence, we just happen to be the most fit.

reading your comments, i don't think so.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: randomint
Originally posted by: nkgreen
If they're not endangerded, whats the big deal?

i don't want to insult you but that is a very ignorant response and precisely what the problem is with us humans. this line of thinking leads to the view that as long as a species is not endangered, it is OK to hunt them (or continue the activities that harm them) until they ARE endangered or close to extinction.

but that's digressing from the main point i'm trying to get across and that is why the heck do people go hiking or whatever in areas where they KNOW they might come across such dangerous animals that will act as they are SUPPOSED to act.

It's a different thing when an animal sort of develops a taste for humans (as has happened so many times in Africa) and it has to be put down.

If you love hiking so much, go to a dedicated trail that is relatively safe.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that: Do you HAVE to, really truly HAVE to go hiking in a place where you know there are such wild animals?
Hey dumb ass, they didn't know there were man eating cougars in the park.

Those pelts would look awesome hanging up at some hunting lodge. Maybe they'll stuff those cats and use them at a Museum



 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: waggy
It attacked a person. i have no trouble having it killed. while sad i am not upset over it.

Agreed. I believe that if the creature was only spotted, they may've tried to simply remove and relocate it away from more... humanly populated areas to avoid a situation like what happened in the article.
 

zoiks

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I have no trouble either having them killed either if there are some overly vicious ones out there. Most mountain lions usually leave you alone here in Cal. I've seen a few of them whenever I hike along the hills up in Northern Marin County. They are there to keep the Tule Elk and other species in check so that they don't overpopulate.
 

randomint

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: randomint
Originally posted by: nkgreen
If they're not endangerded, whats the big deal?

i don't want to insult you but that is a very ignorant response and precisely what the problem is with us humans. this line of thinking leads to the view that as long as a species is not endangered, it is OK to hunt them (or continue the activities that harm them) until they ARE endangered or close to extinction.

but that's digressing from the main point i'm trying to get across and that is why the heck do people go hiking or whatever in areas where they KNOW they might come across such dangerous animals that will act as they are SUPPOSED to act.

It's a different thing when an animal sort of develops a taste for humans (as has happened so many times in Africa) and it has to be put down.

If you love hiking so much, go to a dedicated trail that is relatively safe.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that: Do you HAVE to, really truly HAVE to go hiking in a place where you know there are such wild animals?
Hey dumb ass, they didn't know there were man eating cougars in the park.

Those pelts would look awesome hanging up at some hunting lodge. Maybe they'll stuff those cats and use them at a Museum

they most likely knew that there were lions in the park which were not "man-eaters". they just happened to attack them because these stupid humans weren't using the stuff that's supposed to make them smarter than the animals.
 

sixone

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Humans are not "normal" prey for mountain lions. If one attacked a human with no provocation, something's wrong with it, and we'd better find out what before someone else is attacked and maybe killed. It would be lovely if we could trap them and test them humanely, but that's not always possible or practical.
 

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:roll: at all the hippies in here. Look, it's an animal. If it attacks one human, that means it is liable to attack OTHER humans, since it thinks that humans are viable prey. It's a fair policy - we don't generally hunt animals that don't bother us, but if an animal decides it wants to hunt humans it's got to be put down. That animal has no special rights to the forest because it lives there -- it's an ANIMAL. If we want to preserve the environment for human reasons (i.e. we like parks, and we want to prevent global warming) then that's good, but the animals don't own the forest.
 

Kirby

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Originally posted by: randomint
Originally posted by: nkgreen
If they're not endangerded, whats the big deal?

i don't want to insult you but that is a very ignorant response and precisely what the problem is with us humans. this line of thinking leads to the view that as long as a species is not endangered, it is OK to hunt them (or continue the activities that harm them) until they ARE endangered or close to extinction.

but that's digressing from the main point i'm trying to get across and that is why the heck do people go hiking or whatever in areas where they KNOW they might come across such dangerous animals that will act as they are SUPPOSED to act.

It's a different thing when an animal sort of develops a taste for humans (as has happened so many times in Africa) and it has to be put down.

If you love hiking so much, go to a dedicated trail that is relatively safe.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that: Do you HAVE to, really truly HAVE to go hiking in a place where you know there are such wild animals?

Last time time I checked, any human life > animals. Honestly, it has nothing to do with the lion getting killed for attacking a human. Mountain lion is a damn good meal according to Ted Nugent. You mourn for the dead mountain lion, but not for the oppossum that got hit by truck. And how do you think those "dedicated trails" got safe?

 

imported_Baloo

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Oh, like humans are invaders or some such. LOL. He says sitting in his nice suburban home where wild predatory animals were killed off long ago so he need not be concerned that his daugher might get eaten.