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This is why you shut your babies up on flights and don't recline.

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PenguinPower said:
So, how would you suggest that my two-year-old visit his family in Japan? There's no way he's going to stay quiet for the entirety of a 14-hour flight. Kids cry...chill out, or put some headphones on.
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Wait till he's three? Have them come visit you?

Someone mentioned flying their 1 year old to NYC to see a specialist. That seemed like a good example of an understandable exception.
 
Crying babies are fine in the sense that you can't always shut them up. Other people who have kids should understand.

Crying or disruptive toddlers on the other hand I would hold the parents accountable.
 
Blackjack200 said:
Wait till he's three? Have them come visit you?

Someone mentioned flying their 1 year old to NYC to see a specialist. That seemed like a good example of an understandable exception.
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They don't speak a lick of English, so...yeah...that's out of the question. A three-year-old will do the same thing on that duration of a flight...hell a four-year-old might even get rowdy at some point. Why should I have to delay them being able to spend time with him just because you can't temper your frustration?
 
Blackjack200 said:
Someone mentioned flying their 1 year old to NYC to see a specialist. That seemed like a good example of an understandable exception.
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So you gonna quiz every parent of a crying child on a flight to determine if it's acceptable for them to be there? Or just put on your big girl panties and suck it up buttercup?
 
Can't they just make a no fly list? You fuck around and you are booted off the plane and banned forever from flying. /problem solved.
 
lozina said:
Too bad there aren't People Cancelling Headphones
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True...there should be ejection seats on planes to get right of assholes who can't handle the realities of flying:hmm:

And they should require showers before people get on a plane:awe:
 
rh71 said:
Crying babies are fine in the sense that you can't always shut them up. Other people who have kids should understand.

Crying or disruptive toddlers on the other hand I would hold the parents accountable.
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EXACTLY - those of us without children don't understand and shouldn't be expected to.

It's almost as if when people have kids, parents suddenly have this expectation that we have to put up with your children.

It's almost like how the CIA expect the people they torture to comply with them. If the CIA really wanted to torture people, they should put them on a flight full of parents who can't control their kids.
 
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amdhunter said:
EXACTLY - those of you without children don't understand and shouldn't be expected to.

It's almost as if when people have kids, parents suddenly have this expectation that we have to put up with your children.
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Amen.

If parents could grow a sense of detachment for 10 seconds and view their own kids as the rest of the world sees their kids those parents would never allow their kids to leave the house without a leash and a muzzle.
 
amdhunter said:
EXACTLY - those of you without children don't understand and shouldn't be expected to.

It's almost as if when people have kids, parents suddenly have this expectation that we have to put up with your children.

It's almost like how the CIA expect the people they torture to comply with them. If the CIA really wanted to torture people, they should put them on a flight full of parents who can't control their kids.
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You want silence on an airplane? Buy your own plane. Too poor? Kids on an airplane is called "an incentive to work harder so you don't have to deal with life's minor annoyances." You have no one to blame but your own laziness.
 
Planes exist to get you places faster than any other means of locomotion. That's all. You shouldn't have any more expectation of comfort and silence in an airplane than you would a city bus, especially at today's prices. You can still buy a first class ticket if you want to separate yourself from the riff-raff though.
 
amdhunter said:
EXACTLY - those of us without children don't understand and shouldn't be expected to.

It's almost as if when people have kids, parents suddenly have this expectation that we have to put up with your children.

It's almost like how the CIA expect the people they torture to comply with them. If the CIA really wanted to torture people, they should put them on a flight full of parents who can't control their kids.
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What don't you understand? I think it's more you don't tolerate. It's really too bad because other people have to put up with barking dogs all the time too and it's just as undesirable. You can shut a dog up though. How do you shut a baby up? That's why everyone just needs to deal with it in their own way. That is what parents expect non-parents to understand. Children are a fact of life and so is their crying when they are babies. In a restaurant, the parent can take them outside. In a plane, too bad.

I didn't lose my ability to be courteous when my wife popped out kids. We do what we can, most of us. The clueless parents were clueless non-parents if you ask me. Another thing, when you become a parent, you tend to be less selfish. Those with a significant other can even understand that.
 
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PenguinPower said:
So, how would you suggest that my two-year-old visit his family in Japan? There's no way he's going to stay quiet for the entirety of a 14-hour flight. Kids cry...chill out, or put some headphones on.
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That flight is why I now have noise canceling headphones. 14 hour flight to Japan. Screaming babies. Exhaustion. Not a great combo.
 
amdhunter said:
EXACTLY - those of us without children don't understand and shouldn't be expected to.

It's almost as if when people have kids, parents suddenly have this expectation that we have to put up with your children.

It's almost like how the CIA expect the people they torture to comply with them. If the CIA really wanted to torture people, they should put them on a flight full of parents who can't control their kids.
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If you spend any time traveling with the general public you WILL be exposed to screaming babies. So quit acting like one here and deal with it.

Expecting people not to travel because they have small children is unrealistic. Don't like it? Hire a private jet, then you can decide who you travel with. Otherwise, bring along a pair of noise canceling headphones and STFU.
 
As someone with a newborn, all you people that think it's as simple as "shut that baby up" are assholes. I personally would not fly with a baby unless I had to, but if I did, everyone else would just have to shut the hell up and accept that coexisting with other humans means being around other peoples babies from time to time. And trust me, it would be 10x as bad for the parent of the child as they are well aware that their baby is annoying other people. Buy your own fucking plane if you cant deal with it.
 
JulesMaximus said:
If you spend any time traveling with the general public you WILL be exposed to screaming babies. So quit acting like one here and deal with it.

Expecting people not to travel because they have small children is unrealistic. Don't like it? Hire a private jet, then you can decide who you travel with. Otherwise, bring along a pair of noise canceling headphones and STFU.
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If you spend any time traveling with the general public, you WILL be exposed to pertussis. So quit acting like a baby and deal with it.

Expecting people not to travel because they have a contageous disease is unrealistic. Don't like it? Hire a private jet, then you can decide who you travel with. Otherwise, bring along a particulate mask and STFU.

Yeah, there's obviously a different degree of seriousness, but the principal is the same. If it's not okay for an adult to scream for the duration of a flight, why should we have to tolerate it from a child?
 
Atomic Playboy said:
You want silence on an airplane? Buy your own plane. Too poor?
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According to the USDA, in 2010...

According to a 2010 USDA report, the average middle-income family will spend roughly $12,000 on child-related expenses in their baby's first year of life. By age two, parents are up to more than $12,500 per year.
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I am sure it cost more today. If you can afford to waste your money on some screaming bag of poop, it's YOU that can afford to get your own private flight.
 
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Fukin Idiots.

I was on a flight from Bangkok to Seoul a few years ago. It was a red eye flight. We took off at 1am. Anyway, about 2 hours into a 5.5 hour flight this French lady stood up and started screaming at the flight attendants. She was looking for meds and couldn't find them. Also, she wanted to sit next to a friend and they wouldn't allow it. I give a lot of credit to the flight attendants.

I feel bad about the Thai flight attendant who had hot soup thrown at her face. The Chinese can be difficult people to deal with, and they can become unruly. Of course, not everybody is like this. They have a bad reputation though.
 
Blackjack200 said:
If you spend any time traveling with the general public, you WILL be exposed to pertussis. So quit acting like a baby and deal with it.

Expecting people not to travel because they have a contageous disease is unrealistic. Don't like it? Hire a private jet, then you can decide who you travel with. Otherwise, bring along a particulate mask and STFU.

Yeah, there's obviously a different degree of seriousness, but the principal is the same. If it's not okay for an adult to scream for the duration of a flight, why should we have to tolerate it from a child?
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Because we hold children and adults to different standards because rational people recognize that there's a significant difference between an infant and a grown-up? What kind of question is that? "How come if an infant shits itself, nobody bats an eye, but as soon as I do it, they make an emergency landing and I have to get off the plane? DOUBLE STANDARD!" How come they let that crippled dude get on the plane before me? Life is so unfair. I paid for my ticket just like everybody else; I'm entitled to have things my way!
 
Atomic Playboy said:
Because we hold children and adults to different standards because rational people recognize that there's a significant difference between an infant and a grown-up? What kind of question is that? "How come if an infant shits itself, nobody bats an eye, but as soon as I do it, they make an emergency landing and I have to get off the plane? DOUBLE STANDARD!" How come they let that crippled dude get on the plane before me? Life is so unfair. I paid for my ticket just like everybody else; I'm entitled to have things my way!
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Of course we do, this has nothing to do with making reasonable accomodations for disabled people or children. This isn't about a kid that screams out a couple times or cries for 10 minutes. This is about a kid that is clearly not ready to fly yet.
 
Blackjack200 said:
If you spend any time traveling with the general public, you WILL be exposed to pertussis. So quit acting like a baby and deal with it.

Expecting people not to travel because they have a contageous disease is unrealistic. Don't like it? Hire a private jet, then you can decide who you travel with. Otherwise, bring along a particulate mask and STFU.

Yeah, there's obviously a different degree of seriousness, but the principal is the same. If it's not okay for an adult to scream for the duration of a flight, why should we have to tolerate it from a child?
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No, it isn't the same. Listening to a child scream is not the same as being exposed to a contagious disease... it's not even the same fucking ballpark.
 
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