Discussion This is why retail businesses don't succeed in America without heavy markups..

[Red Squirrel]

Thats the same story as last time you got fucking hand fed the facts. The fuck are you doing? Are you beating your meat when you get roasted for stupidity online? I have not signed that consent form!!!

The people that are stupid are the ones that ignore an issue that is happening in front of their very eyes and say it's not happening.

There are plenty of other stories and several facebook groups to discuss the issues, but not all of them involve an interview with the future prime minister.

We had a whole town hall about the issue which has many similar stories, which our liberal minded Mayor proceeded to ignore. Nothing ever came of it.

And that's just my city alone. This is a widespread issue throughout all of Canada and the US. Our chief of police has also addressed it.

Timmins police chief concerned about shoplifting, general 'lawlessness'

Timmins Police Chief Sydney Lecky is meeting with members of the Timmins Chamber of Commerce next month and one of the main topics will be the rise in shoplifting.

northernontario.ctvnews.ca

 

[eelw]

But liberals don't care, these people seem to have more rights than rest of us.

This is one interview with a local shop owner, It's a real issue, but liberals continue to ignore it.

Lol Poilievre is going to allow vigilantism? He’s going to jail for life the teen groups doing smash and grabs this past week at various GTA mall jewelry stores?

 

[MrSquished]

I'm still sad Squirrel didn't attempt to cut all the trees down on his property by himself. I think it would have made him a better person.

 

[brycejones]

Theft is such a huge growing issue that continues to be ignored. Property owners need more rights not only to defend themselves but also their property. Using force should be allowed, and if deadly force is what it takes to stop them, that should be allowed too. Taking other people's stuff should not be accepted period and the minute they are there to cause damage, they should have no rights. They chose to steal, choices have consequences.

In my city it's gotten so bad that they just raid stores and take what they want while laughing at the staff knowing they can't do anything. They also break in constantly into homes and small businesses, some of which have been forced to wall in their storefront windows since their insurance would no longer cover them. Each time this happens it costs them thousands in damages, it's a piss off that they are on the hook to deal with this, while the thieves continue to get away with it because of the catch and release program and fact that owners can't really even do anything if they catch them. We all pay for this via higher insurance premiums and higher price of goods. A single break in is basically undoing a month's earnings for a small business. Most small businesses are running on very thin margins by the time all the bills are paid.

They've also been aggressivly going after telecom infrastructure to steal copper and have caused small towns to be isolated by cutting main fibre feeds. I lost count of how many times it's happened on my own shift. I see the alarms right away, the last time the techs I called out even caught them in the act but they ran off. Not like they could have legally done anything anyway. As far as I'm concerned they should be charged for domestic terrorism, on top of theft. Some of this is even happening on railroad property as the fibre runs along the tracks, surely that's a federal crime to be messing around on that property. But liberals don't care, these people seem to have more rights than rest of us.

This is one interview with a local shop owner, It's a real issue, but liberals continue to ignore it.

What city? You live in north bum fuck Ontario right?

 

[Greenman]

This guy is not deep in anything of anything, if his wife is getting it its not from him.

That almost made sense.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Theft is such a huge growing issue that continues to be ignored. Property owners need more rights not only to defend themselves but also their property. Using force should be allowed, and if deadly force is what it takes to stop them, that should be allowed too. Taking other people's stuff should not be accepted period and the minute they are there to cause damage, they should have no rights. They chose to steal, choices have consequences.

In my city it's gotten so bad that they just raid stores and take what they want while laughing at the staff knowing they can't do anything. They also break in constantly into homes and small businesses, some of which have been forced to wall in their storefront windows since their insurance would no longer cover them. Each time this happens it costs them thousands in damages, it's a piss off that they are on the hook to deal with this, while the thieves continue to get away with it because of the catch and release program and fact that owners can't really even do anything if they catch them. We all pay for this via higher insurance premiums and higher price of goods. A single break in is basically undoing a month's earnings for a small business. Most small businesses are running on very thin margins by the time all the bills are paid.

They've also been aggressivly going after telecom infrastructure to steal copper and have caused small towns to be isolated by cutting main fibre feeds. I lost count of how many times it's happened on my own shift. I see the alarms right away, the last time the techs I called out even caught them in the act but they ran off. Not like they could have legally done anything anyway. As far as I'm concerned they should be charged for domestic terrorism, on top of theft. Some of this is even happening on railroad property as the fibre runs along the tracks, surely that's a federal crime to be messing around on that property. But liberals don't care, these people seem to have more rights than rest of us.

This is one interview with a local shop owner, It's a real issue, but liberals continue to ignore it.

let's simplify the situation a bit...

you have a business. your business is insured. someone is stealing from your business. they are willing to kill you. do you risk your life to protect your insured property? if so, why?

applies just as much to your home. would you rather someone take your stuff or your life?

 

[Red Squirrel]

let's simplify the situation a bit...

you have a business. your business is insured. someone is stealing from your business. they are willing to kill you. do you risk your life to protect your insured property? if so, why?

applies just as much to your home. would you rather someone take your stuff or your life?

Insurance costs money, it's not a fix just to make theft legal. Every time you make a claim your premium goes up, if many people make claims, everyone's premiums go up. Theft needs to be stopped. We should have rights to do it ourselves for when the cops can't get there on time, and when the cops do get there, they need to actually go to jail instead of being released the same day. It's not the cops fault but the shitty "justice" system.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Lol Poilievre is going to allow vigilantism? He’s going to jail for life the teen groups doing smash and grabs this past week at various GTA mall jewelry stores?

Unfortunately self/property defense rights is not something any politician seems interested in granting us but putting these scumbags in jail would at least help.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So why do Lowes and Home Depot have entire isles under lock and key?
Theft is theft. Steal a dollar or steal a thousand dollars, it's the exact same crime. The idea that theft is acceptable does nothing but promote more theft.
I certainly don't want to see anyone jailed over snagging a toaster at Walmart, but there needs to be consequences. A fine equal to twice the value of the stolen goods would be a good start, or community service work if the perp is broke.

and that’s fine in my opinion.
Leave stuff out it’s subject to be stolen/damaged
Lock stuff up it’s not.
They simply need to pay someone to stand near the locked up stuff which many businesses refuse to do.

 

[Red Squirrel]

and that’s fine in my opinion.
Leave stuff out it’s subject to be stolen/damaged
Lock stuff up it’s not.
They simply need to pay someone to stand near the locked up stuff which many businesses refuse to do.

Why should businesses be forced to spend extra money for theft, when theft is what should be stopped in first place? Why do you people think continuing to allow theft is a good thing for anyone? The problem needs to come to a full stop, instead of putting it on businesses and home owners to have to deal with.

 

[cytg111]

That almost made sense.

Im so proud of you

 

[Greenman]

and that’s fine in my opinion.
Leave stuff out it’s subject to be stolen/damaged
Lock stuff up it’s not.
They simply need to pay someone to stand near the locked up stuff which many businesses refuse to do.

So retailers should hire extra help to hand out the stuff that keeps getting stolen? I don't get it, why not just punish the thieves? They have no right to steal the property of others. There is no justification for it.
Would you be alright with thieves stealing your property?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Why should businesses be forced to spend extra money for theft, when theft is what should be stopped in first place? Why do you people think continuing to allow theft is a good thing for anyone? The problem needs to come to a full stop, instead of putting it on businesses and home owners to have to deal with.

Because that’s what they’ve always done until 2000-ish then the game became get the most done with the least amount of staff. Also why should I as a customer visiting that Apple Store now be a cop to prevent theft that can easily be handled by the business. No jewelry store selling items in the thousands of dollars leave them out in the open where anyone can pocket them. This is not rocket science, anything left out can be stolen.

So retailers should hire extra help to hand out the stuff that keeps getting stolen? I don't get it, why not just punish the thieves? They have no right to steal the property of others. There is no justification for it.
Would you be alright with thieves stealing your property?

Yes, they have several decades of cutting physical staff and this is the cost of cutting staff.
Why does a bank need to spend money on a safe? As above why does a jewelry store need to lock their shit up?
We all know the answer.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Because that’s what they’ve always done until 2000-ish then the game became get the most done with the least amount of staff. Also why should I as a customer visiting that Apple Store now be a cop to prevent theft that can easily be handled by the business. No jewelry store selling items in the thousands of dollars leave them out in the open where anyone can pocket them. This is not rocket science, anything left out can be stolen.

Nobody is forcing you to be a cop, that's on the store owner if he wants to protect his property which any property owner would. He should have the rights to do so, it's not that complicated. Blaming theft on lack of staff is just dumb, why should we just accept theft as being a cost of doing business when instead we could simply stop it via proper laws.

It's weird how you people were ok with protesters getting trampled by horses and having their bank accounts frozen and some losing their trucking licenses, being criminally charged etc "for breaking the law" but at the same time not ok with thieves getting in any trouble for stealing other people's property or even giving the ability of property owners to defend what's theirs.

 

[Greenman]

Because that’s what they’ve always done until 2000-ish then the game became get the most done with the least amount of staff. Also why should I as a customer visiting that Apple Store now be a cop to prevent theft that can easily be handled by the business. No jewelry store selling items in the thousands of dollars leave them out in the open where anyone can pocket them. This is not rocket science, anything left out can be stolen.

Yes, they have several decades of cutting physical staff and this is the cost of cutting staff.
Why does a bank need to spend money on a safe? As above why does a jewelry store need to lock their shit up?
We all know the answer.

It's not the cost of cutting staff, it's thieves getting bolder and knowing that theft is accepted. I've been robbed 4 or 5 times, the last one cost me $7k out of pocket. By your reckoning that loss is my fault for not having armed security.
This is insanity, it's promoting crime and more crime is what will come of it. It will reach the point where retailers simply leave high crime areas.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Nobody is forcing you to be a cop, that's on the store owner if he wants to protect his property which any property owner would. He should have the rights to do so, it's not that complicated. Blaming theft on lack of staff is just dumb, why should we just accept theft as being a cost of doing business when instead we could simply stop it via proper laws.

It's weird how you people were ok with protesters getting trampled by horses and having their bank accounts frozen and some losing their trucking licenses, being criminally charged etc "for breaking the law" but at the same time not ok with thieves getting in any trouble for stealing other people's property or even giving the ability of property owners to defend what's theirs.

You are Canadian. What laws are we lacking in the US that would prevent shoplifting?

 

[MrSquished]

It's not the cost of cutting staff, it's thieves getting bolder and knowing that theft is accepted. I've been robbed 4 or 5 times, the last one cost me $7k out of pocket. By your reckoning that loss is my fault for not having armed security.
This is insanity, it's promoting crime and more crime is what will come of it. It will reach the point where retailers simply leave high crime areas.

You are an idiot as always. He is not comparing you to a retail brick & mortar. But, you should have had your shit insured for theft, that's just stupidity on your part.

I thought there was no retail left in the Democrat cities, aren't they already dystopian anarchist hellholes?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It's not the cost of cutting staff, it's thieves getting bolder and knowing that theft is accepted. I've been robbed 4 or 5 times, the last one cost me $7k out of pocket. By your reckoning that loss is my fault for not having armed security.
This is insanity, it's promoting crime and more crime is what will come of it. It will reach the point where retailers simply leave high crime areas.

No it’s called if you leave your shit outside and not adequately secured (which those phones were obviously not adequately secured) then you are being cheap and it’s a cost of doing business.
Break ins and crap like that are different.
What I am saying is if you have an a typically expensive tool you need to lock that up. I have no solution to prevent theft otherwise. I am all for anyone who has a solution that is easy and allows for all of us to have nothing stolen. I have yet to hear any suggestions as to what that would be.

 

[cytg111]

big difference inbetween stealing fruit and stealing billions.

I didn't say cut hands over some fruit but more over career criminals.

There was a guy here named Bill Bratton who instituted "Broken Windows" and crime went down.. stayed down till the dems undid it.. and now we're in a mess where people don't buy the stats of "crime is down".

That's a red flag if I ever saw one. I mean if you can rationalize to me why the stats is wrong then that'd be a thing, but you cant just go on a gut feeling with these things, the numbers are too big.
Suppose you got a centralized area of criminality and law enforcement cracks down on that area, it stands to reason that the criminal element, if not incarcerated, is still active in the streets, just not at the usual locations. You might have a net crime reduction of 20% it's just that the areas that is getting the crime now is somewhere else.
That is WHY you cant go with these qualitative examples of crime happening somewhere xyz, you neglect the big picture. I get that it still sucks to be in the neighborhood where the crime was shifted into but that doesnt make a cake.

Paraphrasing Churchill here; you cant trust a statistic that you haven't falsified yourself.

That being said, the second you stop trusting our institutions like that you are a second away from being JFK jnr.

 

[Red Squirrel]

You are Canadian. What laws are we lacking in the US that would prevent shoplifting?

The US is a little better than us when it comes to that but still not perfect. The states with castle laws make the most sense, though even then, it needs to extend to protecting property too not just humans. Still hear stories of people getting in trouble for defending their property.

No it’s called if you leave your shit outside and not adequately secured (which those phones were obviously not adequately secured) then you are being cheap and it’s a cost of doing business.
Break ins and crap like that are different.
What I am saying is if you have an a typically expensive tool you need to lock that up. I have no solution to prevent theft otherwise. I am all for anyone who has a solution that is easy and allows for all of us to have nothing stolen. I have yet to hear any suggestions as to what that would be.

There you go again victim blaming. Stealing should not be ok, doesn't matter where the stuff is, if it's not theirs it should be off limits period. Most of it now days involves B&E or walking into a store and just taking stuff anyway, but it should not be ok to take items just because they're loose outside. Some people like to put up decorations or have nice things, and should have every right to have that without it being taken.

 

[MrSquished]

No it’s called if you leave your shit outside and not adequately secured (which those phones were obviously not adequately secured) then you are being cheap and it’s a cost of doing business.
Break ins and crap like that are different.
What I am saying is if you have an a typically expensive tool you need to lock that up. I have no solution to prevent theft otherwise. I am all for anyone who has a solution that is easy and allows for all of us to have nothing stolen. I have yet to hear any suggestions as to what that would be.

There is one major way to reduce property crimes such as theft - a much more fair socio-economic system. There will still be theft, but far less. A lot of crime is crime due to lack of a more comprehensive and fair socio-economic system that keeps people paid better, fed better, healthcared better, housed better, and generally just feeling better about the necessities of life.

 

[cytg111]

It's weird how you people were ok with protesters getting trampled by horses and having their bank accounts frozen and some losing their trucking licenses, being criminally charged etc "for breaking the law" but at the same time not ok with thieves getting in any trouble for stealing other people's property or even giving the ability of property owners to defend what's theirs.

That's so dumb I think Grok came up with it.

 

[Red Squirrel]

That's so dumb I think Grok came up with it.

That is the liberal mindset when it comes to theft or property rights, and yeah it is dumb. Liberals seem to have a thing against punishing thieves or allowing victims to defend themselves.

 

[cytg111]

That is the liberal mindset when it comes to theft or property rights, and yeah it is dumb. Liberals seem to have a thing against punishing thieves or allowing victims to defend themselves.

Explaining it to you would be pointless.


edit: Cause you are dumb as rocks.

 

[brycejones]

That is the liberal mindset when it comes to theft or property rights, and yeah it is dumb. Liberals seem to have a thing against punishing thieves or allowing victims to defend themselves.

I’ll take propaganda for $200 Alex.