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Lifer
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: bignateyk
Originally posted by: Aimster


LOL.

1948 and 1967?
Yeah that was like ages ago.

Let's bring up the Japanese and German military during WW2 while we are talking about history.
Let's talk about Vietnam while we are at it.

Hell the strongest military in the region in the 1960s and 1970s was Iran.

......

The Arab military power in the region is made up of U.S tech.
Their entire military system is 100% different.
If the Arabs wanted Israel dead they wouldn't buy U.S tech that was downgraded.

Show me proof that the Arabs want Israel dead.
Why are they not building nuclear plants to nuke Israel? Nobody is stopping them.


God. Youre joking right? Noone can be this ignorant. I dont even know where to begin...what the hell are they teaching in school these days? Is everyone getting their history lessons from the media?


Just to let you know, he's a terrorist sympathizer.

Fixed.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ForumMaster
Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran is not an Arab nation

so... ehhemmm

then...what ethnic group does iran belong too? unless you divide the muslim countries by shitte or suni?

Persian is considered a seperate ethnic group from Arabs.

You can read more about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persians

Read up on Arabs here to understand the differences:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab

There are obvious physical differences in their general appearance as well.

Their definition is nearly useless.

Take this one, for example:

Identity: someone who considers him or herself to be an Arab regardless of racial, religious, or ancestral origin.

So someone is Arab if they just declare themselves to be an Arab, regardless of where they're from?
 

mrkun

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
What I was trying to address is Amused's comment that Israel's army is the best in the world, which I think is unfounded.

Then you are utterly ignorant of Israel's history.

And not the "best in the world" period. The best "man for man."

I'm talking about now, not the past. What "man for man" comes down to is that with an equal number of troops, Israel's army would be superior to every other army in the world. Please back up that statement for the present; I don't care about 30-50 years ago.

Wow. I'll tell you what, why not go get educated and get back to me.

That's a wonderful argument, thank you.

It would take pages and days for me to explain to you why Israel's army is the most respected for it's size. Why not educate yourself instead of expecting me to do it for you?

Umm, because I'm not the one making questionable claims. If I just said, "the Australian army is the best army in the world for its size" while refusing to explain my position would you accept that?
 

Martin

Lifer
Jan 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
What I was trying to address is Amused's comment that Israel's army is the best in the world, which I think is unfounded.

Then you are utterly ignorant of Israel's history.

And not the "best in the world" period. The best "man for man."

I'm talking about now, not the past. What "man for man" comes down to is that with an equal number of troops, Israel's army would be superior to every other army in the world. Please back up that statement for the present; I don't care about 30-50 years ago.

Wow. I'll tell you what, why not go get educated and get back to me.

That's a wonderful argument, thank you.

It would take pages and days for me to explain to you why Israel's army is the most respected for it's size. Why not educate yourself instead of expecting me to do it for you?

I'm guessing you slept through the summer of 2006 then? Israel went to war and failed in both of its objectives (freeing the soldiers, taking out Hezbollah's military capability). They managed to kill hundreds of innocent civillians through heavy bombing, but couldn't wrestle control of a small town for 3 weeks (see Bing Jbeil) from a few hundred fighters.

I'm sure you think they won through some convoluted thinking, but outside of some American rightists with a twisted sense of reality, nobody else does.
 

magomago

Lifer
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Their definition is nearly useless.

Take this one, for example:

Identity: someone who considers him or herself to be an Arab regardless of racial, religious, or ancestral origin.

So someone is Arab if they just declare themselves to be an Arab, regardless of where they're from?

Actually pretty much that is about as "detailed" as you can get for Arabs. I would probably define is as "command of the Arabic Language and Sympathy for the Arab People and Aspirations".

But Unlike "teh Whites" Arabs didn't kill anyone in an area who wasn't the same race. They just had hella sex with the native populations and kept spreading :D . That is why identifying a "race" probably makes no sense. I have MUCH more in common with Assyrians, Babylonians, Iranians and Kurds due to where I came from (Although I still consider myself an Arab) then a Palestinian who is probably much more similar to Jews (But they are still Arabs), or Alegerian/Morrocans "Arabs" who are probably more Berber than anything else. Even blacks in Sudan become "Arabicised" (take a look at those Janjaweed Milita...they are black ;) ) and they are considered as Arabs as well.



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As for these pics - sans the military junk - the land is beautiful ~ I wish we could just share it without having to have these ugly brick concrete walls to try to split such a splendor.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: bignateyk
Originally posted by: Aimster


LOL.

1948 and 1967?
Yeah that was like ages ago.

Let's bring up the Japanese and German military during WW2 while we are talking about history.
Let's talk about Vietnam while we are at it.

Hell the strongest military in the region in the 1960s and 1970s was Iran.

......

The Arab military power in the region is made up of U.S tech.
Their entire military system is 100% different.
If the Arabs wanted Israel dead they wouldn't buy U.S tech that was downgraded.

Show me proof that the Arabs want Israel dead.
Why are they not building nuclear plants to nuke Israel? Nobody is stopping them.


God. Youre joking right? Noone can be this ignorant. I dont even know where to begin...what the hell are they teaching in school these days? Is everyone getting their history lessons from the media?

Why don't you prove me wrong rather than blah blah blah blah?
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: bignateyk
Originally posted by: Aimster


LOL.

1948 and 1967?
Yeah that was like ages ago.

Let's bring up the Japanese and German military during WW2 while we are talking about history.
Let's talk about Vietnam while we are at it.

Hell the strongest military in the region in the 1960s and 1970s was Iran.

......

The Arab military power in the region is made up of U.S tech.
Their entire military system is 100% different.
If the Arabs wanted Israel dead they wouldn't buy U.S tech that was downgraded.

Show me proof that the Arabs want Israel dead.
Why are they not building nuclear plants to nuke Israel? Nobody is stopping them.


God. Youre joking right? Noone can be this ignorant. I dont even know where to begin...what the hell are they teaching in school these days? Is everyone getting their history lessons from the media?


Just to let you know, he's Iranian.

Who is also Jewish by blood.
You can keep blabbering if you want
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Aimster

LOL.

1948 and 1967?
Yeah that was like ages ago.

And their public opinion hasn't changed much since then. The only difference is that Israel smacked them down so they're staying quiet for a while. But it is passed on from generation to generation that Israel is the root of all their problems.


Originally posted by: Aimster
Show me proof that the Arabs want Israel dead.

The part about wanting to wipe Israel off the map is a good start.

Originally posted by: Aimster

Why are they not building nuclear plants to nuke Israel? Nobody is stopping them.

Huh? They are building nuclear plants.

But rest assured, the country with the world's 2nd largest reserve of oil is building those nuke plants for "energy production".

Iran is not an Arab nation.

Education 101
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran's President is also not the ruler of Iran

& Jews currently live in Iran with the same rights as everyone else, including political rights.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjews.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

Read: "Allegations of Discrimination" and "Contacts with Jews outside Iran"

You are so full of sh!t it's not even funny.

First you claim Arab and Persian nations are not bent on Israel's destruction, now this.

What are you going to do next? Deny the Holocaust?

Go spread your bullsh!t propaganda elsewhere.

Allegations of Discrimination
Like other religious minorities in Iran, Jews suffer from officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. According to the U.S. Department of State, Jews may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.[33]

The anti-Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers noted the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[33] Jews often are the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press.[citation needed] Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.[33]
However in a rather unprecedented move, the sole Jewish member in the Iranian parliament, Maurice Motamed, strongly condemned exhibition of cartoons about the Holocaust which recently took place in Tehran and he has also written a letter to Iran?s president questioning his denial of Holocaust calling it "a very big insult to Jews all around the world".[16]

The legal system also discriminates against religious minorities who receive lower awards than Muslims in injury and death lawsuits and incur heavier punishments. In 2002, the law was passed that made the amount of "blood money" (diyeh) paid by a perpetrator for killing or wounding a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian man the same as it would be for killing or wounding a Muslim.[33]

With some exceptions, there is little restriction of or interference with the Jewish religious practice; however, education of Jewish children has become more difficult in recent years. The Iranian government reportedly allows Hebrew instruction, recognizing that it is necessary for Jewish religious practice. However, it strongly discourages the distribution of Hebrew texts, in practice making it difficult to teach the language. Moreover, the Iranian government has required that several Jewish schools remain open on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath, in conformity with the schedule of other schools in the school system. Since working or attending school on the Sabbath violates Jewish law, this requirement has made it impossible for observant Jews both to attend school and adhere to a fundamental tenet of their religion.[33]

Though alcohol is illegal in Iran, a special legal provision allows Jews to make and use wine for Sabbath celebrations, according to an unconfirmed source.

Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens to Israel and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.[33]

In 2000, 10 of 13 Jews arrested in 1999 were convicted on charges of illegal contact with Israel, conspiracy to form an illegal organization, and recruiting agents. Along with two Muslim defendants, the 10 Jews received prison sentences ranging from 4 to 13 years. An appeals court subsequently overturned the convictions for forming an illegal organization and recruiting agents, but it upheld the convictions for illegal contacts with Israel with reduced sentences. One of the 10 was released in February 2001 and another in January 2002, both upon completion of their prison terms. Three additional prisoners were released before the end of their sentences in October 2002. In April 2003, it was announced that the last five were to be released. It is not clear if the eight who were released before the completion of their sentences were fully pardoned or were released provisionally.[33] Even though anti-Semitic acts are rare in Iran, the trial led to the rising of tensions against the Jewish community.[citation needed] During and shortly after the trial, Jewish businesses in Tehran and Shiraz were targets of vandalism and boycotts, and Jewish persons reportedly have suffered personal harassment and intimidation.[33]


Stop posting before I make you look more foolish.
You should stop getting your information from B.S websites that have no idea wtf they are talking about.

I have posted articles in P&N from BBC and also from JPOST (Jewish Press) that clearly make it clear Iranian Jews travel from Iran and Israel. They prefer Iran over Israel
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran's President is also not the ruler of Iran

& Jews currently live in Iran with the same rights as everyone else, including political rights.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjews.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

Read: "Allegations of Discrimination" and "Contacts with Jews outside Iran"

You are so full of sh!t it's not even funny.

First you claim Arab and Persian nations are not bent on Israel's destruction, now this.

What are you going to do next? Deny the Holocaust?

Go spread your bullsh!t propaganda elsewhere.

Allegations of Discrimination
Like other religious minorities in Iran, Jews suffer from officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. According to the U.S. Department of State, Jews may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.[33]

The anti-Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers noted the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[33] Jews often are the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press.[citation needed] Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.[33]
However in a rather unprecedented move, the sole Jewish member in the Iranian parliament, Maurice Motamed, strongly condemned exhibition of cartoons about the Holocaust which recently took place in Tehran and he has also written a letter to Iran?s president questioning his denial of Holocaust calling it "a very big insult to Jews all around the world".[16]

The legal system also discriminates against religious minorities who receive lower awards than Muslims in injury and death lawsuits and incur heavier punishments. In 2002, the law was passed that made the amount of "blood money" (diyeh) paid by a perpetrator for killing or wounding a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian man the same as it would be for killing or wounding a Muslim.[33]

With some exceptions, there is little restriction of or interference with the Jewish religious practice; however, education of Jewish children has become more difficult in recent years. The Iranian government reportedly allows Hebrew instruction, recognizing that it is necessary for Jewish religious practice. However, it strongly discourages the distribution of Hebrew texts, in practice making it difficult to teach the language. Moreover, the Iranian government has required that several Jewish schools remain open on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath, in conformity with the schedule of other schools in the school system. Since working or attending school on the Sabbath violates Jewish law, this requirement has made it impossible for observant Jews both to attend school and adhere to a fundamental tenet of their religion.[33]

Though alcohol is illegal in Iran, a special legal provision allows Jews to make and use wine for Sabbath celebrations, according to an unconfirmed source.

Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens to Israel and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.[33]

In 2000, 10 of 13 Jews arrested in 1999 were convicted on charges of illegal contact with Israel, conspiracy to form an illegal organization, and recruiting agents. Along with two Muslim defendants, the 10 Jews received prison sentences ranging from 4 to 13 years. An appeals court subsequently overturned the convictions for forming an illegal organization and recruiting agents, but it upheld the convictions for illegal contacts with Israel with reduced sentences. One of the 10 was released in February 2001 and another in January 2002, both upon completion of their prison terms. Three additional prisoners were released before the end of their sentences in October 2002. In April 2003, it was announced that the last five were to be released. It is not clear if the eight who were released before the completion of their sentences were fully pardoned or were released provisionally.[33] Even though anti-Semitic acts are rare in Iran, the trial led to the rising of tensions against the Jewish community.[citation needed] During and shortly after the trial, Jewish businesses in Tehran and Shiraz were targets of vandalism and boycotts, and Jewish persons reportedly have suffered personal harassment and intimidation.[33]


Stop posting before I make you look more foolish.
You should stop getting your information from B.S websites that have no idea wtf they are talking about.

I have posted articles in P&N from BBC and also from JPOST (Jewish Press) that clearly make it clear Iranian Jews travel from Iran and Israel. They prefer Iran over Israel

You can post all the Iranian propaganda you want. It won't make it true. Why not post all the articles in the Jewish Press that reference Iran?

Now go away before you make yourself look like an even bigger tool.

Tell me, why are you in the US? Why did your parents choose the US over Iran?
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ForumMaster
Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran is not an Arab nation

so... ehhemmm

then...what ethnic group does iran belong too? unless you divide the muslim countries by shitte or suni?

Persian is considered a seperate ethnic group from Arabs.

You can read more about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persians

Read up on Arabs here to understand the differences:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab

There are obvious physical differences in their general appearance as well.

Their definition is nearly useless.

Take this one, for example:

Identity: someone who considers him or herself to be an Arab regardless of racial, religious, or ancestral origin.

So someone is Arab if they just declare themselves to be an Arab, regardless of where they're from?

There is a clear difference between a Persian and an Arab.
It is like calling a Japanese man Vietnamese.

Also more than 50% of Israel today came from Arab nations. All the Jews living in Arab nations fled to Israel. They are not called Arab, they are called Jew. That is why when you look at pictures of the people of Israel they look dark/white mixed. Many look straight up Arab and you cannot tell the difference between an Israeli or a Palestinian.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: ForumMaster
Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran is not an Arab nation

so... ehhemmm

then...what ethnic group does iran belong too? unless you divide the muslim countries by shitte or suni?

They're actually causasian, aryan.

ah, caucasian enough for the nazis.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/08/INGODGH99Q1.DTL


Denial of Holocaust nothing new in Iran
Ties to Hitler led to plots against British and Jews

Edwin Black

Sunday, January 8, 2006

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has shot to the forefront of Holocaust denial with his rabble-rousing remarks last month. But it's more like self-denial. The president of Iran need only look to his country's Hitler-era past to discover that Iran and Iranians were strongly connected to the Holocaust and the Hitler regime, as was the entire Islamic world under the leadership of the mufti of Jerusalem.

Iran's axis with the Third Reich began during the prewar years, when it welcomed Nazi Gestapo agents and other operatives to Tehran, allowing them to use the city as a base for Middle East agitation against the British and the region's Jews.

Key among these German agents was Fritz Grobba, Berlin's envoy to the Middle East, who was often called "the German Lawrence," because he promised a Pan-Islamic state stretching from Casablanca to Tehran.

Relations between Berlin and Tehran were strong from the moment Hitler came to power in 1933. At that time, Reza Shah Pahlavi's nation was known as Persia. The shah became a stalwart admirer of Hitler, Nazism and the concept of the Aryan master race. He also sought the Reich's help in reducing British petro-political domination.

So intense was the shah's identification with the Third Reich that in 1935 he renamed his ancient country "Iran," which in Farsi means Aryan and refers to the Proto-Indo-European lineage that Nazi racial theorists and Persian ethnologists cherished.

The idea for the name change was suggested by the Iranian ambassador to Germany, who came under the influence of Hitler's trusted banker, Hjalmar Schacht. From that point, all Iranians were constantly reminded that their country shared a common bond with the Nazi regime.

Shortly after World War II broke out in 1939, the Mufti of Jerusalem crafted a strategic alliance with Hitler to exchange Iraqi oil for active Arab and Islamic participation in the murder of Jews in the Mideast and Eastern Europe. This was predicated on support for a pan-Arab state and Arab control over Palestine.

During the war years, Iran became a haven for Gestapo agents. It was from Iran that the seeds of the abortive 1941 pro-Nazi coup in Baghdad were planted. After Churchill's forces booted the Nazis out of Iraq in June 1941, German aircrews supporting Nazi bombers escaped across Iraq's northern border back into Iran.

Likewise, the mufti of Jerusalem was spirited across the border to Tehran, where he continued to call for the destruction of the Jews and the defeat of the British.

His venomous rhetoric filled the newspapers and radio broadcasts in Tehran. The mufti was a vocal opponent of allowing Jewish refugees to be transported or ransomed into Jewish Palestine. Instead, he wanted them shipped to the gas chambers of Poland.

In the summer of 1941, the mufti, with the support of key Iranian military and government leaders, advocated implementing in Iran what had failed months earlier in Iraq. The plan once again was for a total diversion of oil from the Allies to the Nazis, in exchange for the accelerated destruction of the Jews in Eastern Europe and the Nazis' support for an Arab state. Through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co., Iran had already been supplying Hitler's forces in occupied Czechoslovakia and Austria.

Now, the mufti agitated to cut off the British and the Allies co.......
 

Aimster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran's President is also not the ruler of Iran

& Jews currently live in Iran with the same rights as everyone else, including political rights.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjews.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

Read: "Allegations of Discrimination" and "Contacts with Jews outside Iran"

You are so full of sh!t it's not even funny.

First you claim Arab and Persian nations are not bent on Israel's destruction, now this.

What are you going to do next? Deny the Holocaust?

Go spread your bullsh!t propaganda elsewhere.

Allegations of Discrimination
Like other religious minorities in Iran, Jews suffer from officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. According to the U.S. Department of State, Jews may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.[33]

The anti-Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers noted the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[33] Jews often are the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press.[citation needed] Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.[33]
However in a rather unprecedented move, the sole Jewish member in the Iranian parliament, Maurice Motamed, strongly condemned exhibition of cartoons about the Holocaust which recently took place in Tehran and he has also written a letter to Iran?s president questioning his denial of Holocaust calling it "a very big insult to Jews all around the world".[16]

The legal system also discriminates against religious minorities who receive lower awards than Muslims in injury and death lawsuits and incur heavier punishments. In 2002, the law was passed that made the amount of "blood money" (diyeh) paid by a perpetrator for killing or wounding a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian man the same as it would be for killing or wounding a Muslim.[33]

With some exceptions, there is little restriction of or interference with the Jewish religious practice; however, education of Jewish children has become more difficult in recent years. The Iranian government reportedly allows Hebrew instruction, recognizing that it is necessary for Jewish religious practice. However, it strongly discourages the distribution of Hebrew texts, in practice making it difficult to teach the language. Moreover, the Iranian government has required that several Jewish schools remain open on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath, in conformity with the schedule of other schools in the school system. Since working or attending school on the Sabbath violates Jewish law, this requirement has made it impossible for observant Jews both to attend school and adhere to a fundamental tenet of their religion.[33]

Though alcohol is illegal in Iran, a special legal provision allows Jews to make and use wine for Sabbath celebrations, according to an unconfirmed source.

Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens to Israel and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.[33]

In 2000, 10 of 13 Jews arrested in 1999 were convicted on charges of illegal contact with Israel, conspiracy to form an illegal organization, and recruiting agents. Along with two Muslim defendants, the 10 Jews received prison sentences ranging from 4 to 13 years. An appeals court subsequently overturned the convictions for forming an illegal organization and recruiting agents, but it upheld the convictions for illegal contacts with Israel with reduced sentences. One of the 10 was released in February 2001 and another in January 2002, both upon completion of their prison terms. Three additional prisoners were released before the end of their sentences in October 2002. In April 2003, it was announced that the last five were to be released. It is not clear if the eight who were released before the completion of their sentences were fully pardoned or were released provisionally.[33] Even though anti-Semitic acts are rare in Iran, the trial led to the rising of tensions against the Jewish community.[citation needed] During and shortly after the trial, Jewish businesses in Tehran and Shiraz were targets of vandalism and boycotts, and Jewish persons reportedly have suffered personal harassment and intimidation.[33]


Stop posting before I make you look more foolish.
You should stop getting your information from B.S websites that have no idea wtf they are talking about.

I have posted articles in P&N from BBC and also from JPOST (Jewish Press) that clearly make it clear Iranian Jews travel from Iran and Israel. They prefer Iran over Israel

You can post all the Iranian propaganda you want. It won't make it true. Why not post all the articles in the Jewish Press that reference Iran?

Now go away before you make yourself look like an even bigger tool.

Tell me, why are you in the US? Why did your parents choose the US over Iran?

I am Jewish by blood genius, but agnostic by belief. I am a bigot against my own family? Excellent.

My parents came here in the U.S when the Shah was in power and never left. In fact many Iranians in the United States came here during the Shah regime.

You want the article? You think I pull ****** out of my ass? No unlike you I don't.
What then? If I post the articles you will just nag about how the JPOST and BBC are wrong and you are right.
You cannot change the mind of an ignorant person.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Articles that prove Iranian Jews want to stay in Iran and prefer Iran over Israel.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?...1479&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=119218

In one of the articles it even mentions the Iranian President (Wacko) giving money to the Jewish hospitals inside Iran.
I have another article where the former President of Iran went on to call the Wacko an idiot. He basically said the Holocaust is a fact and that Iran regrets what happened to the U.S hostages in 1979.

Like I said in previous statements, there is no one voice for the Iranian people.

If you had any idea what is going on inside Iran right now you would know. Jews have it lucky in Iran today. The average citizen is being beaten up and forced into the military. This has been going on at the start of this month. Revolution talks have been stirring in the air. Jews don't have to serve in the Iranian military. They are usually not harassed when their headscarf is not showing.

Imagine you are walking in the street and the police surround you. They check your ID. If you are not a student they throw you on a bus and take you to the army where you will be a slave for 2 years.
Imagine you are walking in the street and your headscarf is pulled back and your hair is showing. Police will arrest you and harass you. If you are not a Christian or a Jew you are screwed.

Under Iranian Law (constitution) , the minorities are protected citizens. The Iranian President has no power to change that even if wanted to. His power however is limited to reforms in Iran which he has obviously taken back a decade because he is an Islamic wacko. His powers do not extend beyond reforms.

Those articles are old. Anyone living inside Iran today should get out. The country has turned to poop because of the wacko
 

Trente

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Originally posted by: jman19
I'm sure most Israeli's would rather have it such that they didn't need to worry about military action with their neighbors.

That is very very true. Israel has a lot to be proud of, but also ashamed of. The polarity in the Israeli society is extreme. It reflects on both it's political and national fabric greatly. Unfortunately, the Israeli society is becoming too "Americanized" in a way that the meaning of the core values that "glue" it together is heavily undermined. Just taking a look at today's Israeli youngsters and those of earlier years will give one a clue of what I am speaking of.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: Aimster


Education 101

It looks like you're the one getting schooled in this thread, Aimster.

In any thread that mentions Israel or Iran, you seem to derail the thread and reduce it to a pissing contest.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: magomago

Actually pretty much that is about as "detailed" as you can get for Arabs. I would probably define is as "command of the Arabic Language and Sympathy for the Arab People and Aspirations".

I guess all you liberal types like to defy classification.

So if I learned the Arabic language and sympathized with the Arab people, that makes me Arab?

Ridiculous.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Aimster


Education 101

It looks like you're the one getting schooled in this thread, Aimster.

In any thread that mentions Israel or Iran, you seem to derail the thread and reduce it to a pissing contest.

o rly?

I posted facts that go against everything you or amused have posted.

You have posted what exactly? If anyone is getting schooled it is you.

A person who thinks Iran is an Arab nation. Anyone with knowledge of the area will ignore your posts for that statement alone.

So go on show me where I got schooled. Show me one thing you said that I didn't prove you wrong in. Go on genius boy. Show me