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This is why Democrats/liberals will continue to lose

ivwshane

ivwshane

Lifer
While Democrats have been trying to figure out how to win elections again the Republicans, the president, have been filling the lower courts with more of their team members barely a peep of it has been talked about by them or by the press.

Dems lost in 2010 because they didn't have a game plan let alone see what game plan the Republicans were running with regards to gerrymandering and redistricting. The dems didn't have a game plan when Republicans didn't let Obama nominate a supreme court judge nor did they have a plan, until much later, to combat Republican obstruction of lower level judicial appointments.

Meanwhile, Republicans continue to dominate all levels of government despite representing a minority of the people.

At this point it looks like it's too late to do anything.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/donald-trump-is-rapidly-reshaping-the-nations-courts

As Allan Smith of Business Insider makes clear, "When it comes to nominating judges to the federal bench, Trump is moving at a breakneck pace. And the number of nominees for vacant U.S. attorney positions, a crucial area, is dwarfing" that of Barack Obama, at least at this stage.

If these picks could be the ultimate Trump legacy, consider that "through July 14, roughly a week shy of Trump's six-month anniversary in office, he had nominated 18 people for district judgeship vacancies, 14 for circuit courts and the Court of Federal Claims, and 23 for US attorney slots. During that same timeframe in Obama's first term, Obama had nominated just four district judges, five appeals court judges, and 13 U.S. attorneys. In total, Trump nominated 55 people, and Obama just 22."
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They need to focus on anger and hate and massive bullshit.
It worked for Donald.

And after his first term, they will have PLENTY to criticize.
 
ivwshane said:
While Democrats have been trying to figure out how to win elections again the Republicans, the president, have been filling the lower courts with more of their team members barely a peep of it has been talked about by them or by the press.

Dems lost in 2010 because they didn't have a game plan let alone see what game plan the Republicans were running with regards to gerrymandering and redistricting. The dems didn't have a game plan when Republicans didn't let Obama nominate a supreme court judge nor did they have a plan, until much later, to combat Republican obstruction of lower level judicial appointments.

Meanwhile, Republicans continue to dominate all levels of government despite representing a minority of the people.

At this point it looks like it's too late to do anything.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/donald-trump-is-rapidly-reshaping-the-nations-courts
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This is part and parcel of the broader theme that democrats love the pretense of being smart/honorable while degenerates do what they need to win. The predictable D response to this is that degens play dirty and the "smart" party must take the high road by discussing voters' favorite bureaucratic policies and such--all great advice shared by their degen friends.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
So what's the solution? Get just as dirty as their opponents?
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Kill them, kill them all!

If not with fire, then with honesty and a secular humanist ideal that resounds to a majority.

But I think they just went with "fire" considering that they gave up on secular humanism and liberalism and went with "hey evangelicals, we're anti-choice if need be".
 
agent00f said:
This is part and parcel of the broader theme that democrats love the pretense of being smart/honorable while degenerates do what they need to win. The predictable D response to this is that degens play dirty and the "smart" party must take the high road by discussing voters' favorite bureaucratic policies and such--all great advice shared by their degen friends.
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I was merely responding to OP, who is characterizing the Democrats as those losing to the 'dirty ones'. I don't actually think Democrats take the 'high road'. I think both parties are a write-off frankly.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
I was merely responding to OP, who is characterizing the Democrats as those losing to the 'dirty ones'. I don't actually think Democrats take the 'high road'. I think both parties are a write-off frankly.
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It's a matter of math that tit-for-tat strategies outperform always-nice ones.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
I was merely responding to OP, who is characterizing the Democrats as those losing to the 'dirty ones'. I don't actually think Democrats take the 'high road'. I think both parties are a write-off frankly.
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You need a party of liberals, actual liberals.

My answer was honest though, you're going to have to burn down what you have to start with something that resounds with the people.

I'm going to state something very unpopular, Hillary was not only the least bad choice, she was a good choice and you blew it because Putin told you to blow it and you always do what you are told.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
So what's the solution? Get just as dirty as their opponents?
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Give people a choice and I define that as a person which is not self absorbed, can say "I was wrong, but I will not make that error again" then doesn't. Someone who is a leader, not a platform and bullet points, someone who has lead, not just headed something. Demonstrated character and ethics. That holds his or her party as accountable as the opposition. To pick the right thing over the party line. That doesn't look at America as a demographic to divide against one another, some one of unity who understands that "those poor white people" may be exactly that. That blacks do face problems which cannot be dismissed. Work constructively for people because they are people, some guy in a lot to sell a used car to.

Do these people exist? All descendants of Diogenes grab your lanterns before it's too late.
 
soundforbjt said:
Watch voter ID laws get past the SCOTUS in the near future. That'll be the final nail in the coffin for dems.
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Bullshit, the dems is what is the final nail in the coffin for dems, pandering to the most extreme is not going to do them any good at all but will cost them their entire base of liberals.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Give people a choice and I define that as a person which is not self absorbed, can say "I was wrong, but I will not make that error again" then doesn't. Someone who is a leader, not a platform and bullet points, someone who has lead, not just headed something. Demonstrated character and ethics. That holds his or her party as accountable as the opposition. To pick the right thing over the party line. That doesn't look at America as a demographic to divide against one another, some one of unity who understands that "those poor white people" may be exactly that. That blacks do face problems which cannot be dismissed. Work constructively for people because they are people, some guy in a lot to sell a used car to.

Do these people exist? All descendants of Diogenes grab your lanterns before it's too late.
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So, someone like Hillary then who did exactly every single thing you mentioned?
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Give people a choice and I define that as a person which is not self absorbed, can say "I was wrong, but I will not make that error again" then doesn't. Someone who is a leader, not a platform and bullet points, someone who has lead, not just headed something. Demonstrated character and ethics. That holds his or her party as accountable as the opposition. To pick the right thing over the party line. That doesn't look at America as a demographic to divide against one another, some one of unity who understands that "those poor white people" may be exactly that. That blacks do face problems which cannot be dismissed. Work constructively for people because they are people, some guy in a lot to sell a used car to.

Do these people exist? All descendants of Diogenes grab your lanterns before it's too late.
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Inevitably, anyone who ends up in a position to run for the President has so much dirt behind them, it'll be exposed. If they don't have dirt, they're probably not someone who can be manipulated/blackmailed, so they'll be blacklisted from playing in the reindeer games, like Sanders was.

From top to bottom, the entire system has been convoluted and streamlined into a nice, predictable package. Even Trump was 'permitted' to run, much to the chagrin (and surprise) of people on the Republican side of the aisle.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Give people a choice and I define that as a person which is not self absorbed, can say "I was wrong, but I will not make that error again" then doesn't. Someone who is a leader, not a platform and bullet points, someone who has lead, not just headed something. Demonstrated character and ethics. That holds his or her party as accountable as the opposition. To pick the right thing over the party line. That doesn't look at America as a demographic to divide against one another, some one of unity who understands that "those poor white people" may be exactly that. That blacks do face problems which cannot be dismissed. Work constructively for people because they are people, some guy in a lot to sell a used car to.

Do these people exist? All descendants of Diogenes grab your lanterns before it's too late.
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But mexican rapists coming for white womens.
 
The dems need to follow the repubs in one respect, they need to stay together on message and hire someone like Luntz to come up with the buzzwords. The repubs are great at propaganda, the dems suck at it. Most people are stupid and only remember simple bits of info, repubs exploited this to the max.
 
soundforbjt said:
The dems need to follow the repubs in one respect, they need to stay together on message and hire someone like Luntz to come up with the buzzwords. The repubs are great at propaganda, the dems suck at it. Most people are stupid and only remember simple bits of info, repubs exploited this to the max.
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There are better ways of winning than playing dumber than degenerates, even if many democrats don't have what it takes.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
Inevitably, anyone who ends up in a position to run for the President has so much dirt behind them, it'll be exposed. If they don't have dirt, they're probably not someone who can be manipulated/blackmailed, so they'll be blacklisted from playing in the reindeer games, like Sanders was.

From top to bottom, the entire system has been convoluted and streamlined into a nice, predictable package. Even Trump was 'permitted' to run, much to the chagrin (and surprise) of people on the Republican side of the aisle.
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Sanders was unelectable, Hillary and crew treated him with the finest silk gloves known to mankind but in the general his open support to the Soviet Union where he spent his honeymoon because he thought it was the best thing ever, his undying support to Castro and Chavez would have killed him in a heartbeat.

He would have lost far more than Hillary because of his past idiocy that he refuses to reneg on to this day.
 
soundforbjt said:
The dems need to follow the repubs in one respect, they need to stay together on message and hire someone like Luntz to come up with the buzzwords. The repubs are great at propaganda, the dems suck at it. Most people are stupid and only remember simple bits of info, repubs exploited this to the max.
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You said that name. He's the devil incarnate.
 
ivwshane said:
At this point it looks like it's too late to do anything.
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If you limit yourself by sticking to playing the same game, with the same rules, you'll keep losing.
That's why it's time to upend the status quo. Republicans can't handle a new deal. Go big. Go FDR on their asses.
 
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