This is what happens without labor unions:

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http://bdnews24.com/details.php?id=188640&cid=23

Madaripur, Mar 1 (bdnews24.com) — After the rescue of 30 people tied up in chains from a brick kiln at Savar, members of the Rapid Action Battalion have rescued another man from a brickfield in the district.

Mizanur Rahman, 24, was rescued from 'MRB Brick Kiln' at Dhulgram village of Kalkini Upazila on Tuesday.

Madaripur RAB commander Mohammad Shamim Sarker told reporters that a team of RAB-8 conducted a drive in the brickfield at noon with the help of Bangladesh Human Rights Commission's (BHRC) Madaripur branch.

Brickfield manager Gouranga Biswas, 60, and workers leader 'Yasin', 30, were detained during the drive. RAB filed a case in this regard with Kalkini police against them and owner Mahbubur Rahman Abu Bhuyian, 70.

Mizanur, who hails from Satkhira's Shyamnagar Upazila, said Yasin's relative 'Wahidul' brought him to the brickfield two months ago paying him Tk 7,500 in advance.

He said his two legs were tied up when he wanted to go back home. "I have to remain tied up always and had to work with my legs chained," he said.

Mizan went on: "The owner, who had come to the brickfield to see me the other day, asked to throw me into the kiln."

Later, a mobile court led by executive magistrate Sujan Chowdhury fined the brickfield Tk 30,000, Satata Bricks Field Tk 50,000 and Asian Hawladar Bricks Field Tk 90,000 for producing bricks illegally.

BHRC Madaripur branch chief Syed Amzad Ali said they rescued Mizanur with the help of local leaders, police and RAB following a tip-off.

He said they expected punishment of those responsible for this.

Basically workers are being chained to factory machines and forced to do hard labor. It is modern day slavery of the worst kind. If republicans and libertarians have their way we will be seeing this in america soon. Remember this is what your tea party members want, and the only thing protecting us from this is the labor union.
 

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what kind of labor laws do they have in bandgladesh?
comparison fail.

We have labor laws because of labor unions, remove the unions and lose the labor laws. The dream of the libertarian is unfettered corporate slavery. No more regulations and laws to get in their way of big business.
 

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These cultures have been around longer than the American culture. They could have unionized well before Americans did. Instead, their overall structure (3rd world) doesn't really nurture such stability.

Also, most American corporations would rather seek "safe" cheap slave labor - which is why we are balls deep in China.
 

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Why do you need unions to protect against kidnapping / slavery ?
Seems like you need rule of law to me.

Fail.
 

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We have labor laws because of labor unions, remove the unions and lose the labor laws. The dream of the libertarian is unfettered corporate slavery. No more regulations and laws to get in their way of big business.

Is this what your homeroom teacher told you?

Grow up kid.

How would unionization change what happened in the story you linked?

If blacks in America unionized during the 1800's, would slavery have ceased immediately? For that matter... will unionization put a stop to modern day slavery in continental Africa? What if all the sex-slave workers in Asia decided to unionize?

Spend a little more time thinking about something and a lot less time reading Daily Kos and you might make it through High School alright.
 

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We have labor laws because of labor unions, remove the unions and lose the labor laws. The dream of the libertarian is unfettered corporate slavery. No more regulations and laws to get in their way of big business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Johnson

The 40 hour work week was implemented long before unions.

In 1899, Johnson became co-owner of the business, which was renamed the Endicott-Johnson Co. Under his presidency, the company grew to eight factories in Broome County, New York, employing about 10,000. Endicott-Johnson was the first company in the shoe industry to introduce the 8-hour workday, 40-hour workweek, and comprehensive medical care. Despite paying some of the highest wages in the industry, Endicott-Johnson was consistently profitable.

 

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Matt1970

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Some unions have their place and are needed but a lot of Unions have turned out to be nothing more than self serving scams and do nothing but choke a company out of business.
 

Genx87

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Yeah, without labor unions we would all be chained to our jobs. What a fail theory.
 

Genx87

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We have labor laws because of labor unions, remove the unions and lose the labor laws. The dream of the libertarian is unfettered corporate slavery. No more regulations and laws to get in their way of big business.

Uh huh, I am sure the laborers(voters) would never have thought to petition their representatives to enact labor laws if it werent for unions.
 
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We have labor laws because of labor unions, remove the unions and lose the labor laws. The dream of the libertarian is unfettered corporate slavery. No more regulations and laws to get in their way of big business.

you're full of fail today aren't you?
inject a dose of tiger blood for some winning!
 

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The premise is preposterous, you can't compare Bangladesh to the US.

When I was in a union, the leadership was just as corrupt and self-serving as any "evil corporation" you have heard of. They had us on strike for 4 months and we settled for the same contract we were offered on day 1. Aftereffect was 800 good-paying jobs lost, moved to another state after the strike was settled. But the union execs got paid during the strike by the union.

They aren't all bad, and they aren't all good.
 

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Basically workers are being chained to factory machines and forced to do hard labor. It is modern day slavery of the worst kind. If republicans and libertarians have their way we will be seeing this in america soon. Remember this is what your tea party members want, and the only thing protecting us from this is the labor union.

So if those workers would have organized while they were chained up and forced to work as slaves they could have negotiated better terms with their slaveholding masters?
 

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We have labor laws because of labor unions, remove the unions and lose the labor laws. The dream of the libertarian is unfettered corporate slavery. No more regulations and laws to get in their way of big business.

So if we get rid of unions OSHA will be disbanded and won't be such a pain in my ass even though I have never gotten a serious citation? I won't have to worry about getting cited and fined because a guy sat on an inoperable forklift to eat his lunch and was not wearing the seatbelt?

Where do I sign up to help get rid of the unions?
 

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With idiots like OP running around looking for unions to prevent the disappearance of the rule of law, no wonder that country is a hell hole.
 

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Sorry, this is the same slippery-slope hysteria that the gun nuts babble when any kind of restriction on ownership (including criminal background checks) is legislated.

You're both wrong.

If the union-busting plans of Republicans succeed, wages will fall and CEO salaries increase, while job security and health insurance benefits will be reduced. But baristas will not be chained to the espresso machine.
 

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Basically workers are being chained to factory machines and forced to do hard labor. It is modern day slavery of the worst kind. If republicans and libertarians have their way we will be seeing this in america soon. Remember this is what your tea party members want, and the only thing protecting us from this is the labor union.
I sincerely hope you're being paid to be this stupid. My capitalist heart aches at the thought that you might be giving such a pure product away for free.
 

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Sorry, this is the same slippery-slope hysteria that the gun nuts babble when any kind of restriction on ownership (including criminal background checks) is legislated.

You're both wrong.

If the union-busting plans of Republicans succeed, wages will fall and CEO salaries increase, while job security and health insurance benefits will be reduced. But baristas will not be chained to the espresso machine.

That's nonsense. There's never been any union where I work, or even in the entire industry where I work, and yet I have health insurance and all sorts of benefits. Union or lack of union doesn't change my benefits: as long as the company has to compete against other companies for a scarce resource (productive labor), then the market will determine the value of the labor, and people will have benefits etc.

The only time the mechanism fails if if the employer does not have to compete against others for the labor (like in a one employer town).

Further, with regard to the gun argument, it's not just a slippery slope argument, we've already seen numerous times how the process (and eroding gun rights) work all across the globe.
 

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Disturbing but a piece of American history that should be watched by all.

Obviously people have no clue that this is exactly what was happening here before we had Labor laws. This a exact repeat of history, welcome to the libertopian fantasyworld.

Word for word same story.
 

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The problem with these claims that only unions protect us is that our culture has changed greatly in the last century, and there is no evidence to suggest that it will change back to chained slaves working 100 hours a week without unions. The changes are now self-sustaining.

The majority of citizens support a reasonable level of worker safety, some kind of minimum wage, outlawing child labor, and other gains that unions made long ago. Republicans push for lower levels of safety (calling regulations too burdensome) and fight for a lower minimum wage, but they know they can't remove them entirely.
 

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Disturbing but a piece of American history that should be watched by all.

Obviously people have no clue that this is exactly what was happening here before we had Labor laws. This a exact repeat of history, welcome to the libertopian fantasyworld.

Word for word same story.

Its true. If not for labor laws and minimum wage I'd probably be working in a mine somewhere for 50 cents an hour. So glad I have the government to protect me.

These third world shit holes need to enact labor laws and minimum wage laws to like $20 an hour at least.

Places with child labor should just put in place child labor laws. Then it will all be gone.
 

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If republicans and libertarians have their way we will be seeing this in america soon. Remember this is what your tea party members want, and the only thing protecting us from this is the labor union.

Nonsense. Sounds like lib-loving propaganda to me.