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SaltyNuts said:
I will laugh last and best. And you are right, I've been smoking some serious shit.... its called REALITY. Not some media-infused hype-job. 1 year = things 99.9% back to normal and everyone wondering why the FUK we shot ourselves in the stomach so bad.
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ultimatebob said:
Yeah, I for one am saddened by this sudden pussification of America. If we acted like this in 1776, I'd imagine that George Washington and Patrick Henry would be sitting at home and saying, thinking "Gee, I really don't like those annoying British guys, but if I go outside to fight them I might catch a cold. Better stay inside where it's warm and safe"
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... they insisted, as their lungs turned to blood and mucous and their organs died
 
SaltyNuts said:
You guys are nuts. The economy is going to open up, people will learn that a shiat-ton of people will catch it, 99.5% will live, many not even realizing they had it and the vast majority completely recovered in a week, two at most. People will realize this, won't give a crap about the stupid news harping on this shiat all day, every day, the news stations will figure out its not trendy like it was, and will drop it. It will go the way of every other viral infections for the last several decades - relegated to the history books. I give this one credit though - it REALLY DID almost destroy society, before people woke the fuk up!
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Holy crap ... you pretty much nailed it! 😵

Blind squirrels and acorns? 😛 😉



SaltyNuts said:
looking like a fool
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Heck SaltyNuts ... you ARE the local expert in that department! 😉
 
repoman0 said:
... they insisted, as their lungs turned to blood and mucous and their organs died
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If by "they" you mean .5% or less of the population, you are on the right track. We all get it. COVID kills some people. As does the flu. As does the cold. As does a million other things. But we don't shut down the entire world economy for something with a fatality rate of .5% (and that .5% being in very large part those old and unhealthy). Well, before this year we didn't, and I doubt we will ever be so naive again...
 
SaltyNuts said:
If by "they" you mean .5% or less of the population, you are on the right track. We all get it. COVID kills some people. As does the flu. As does the cold. As does a million other things. But we don't shut down the entire world economy for something with a fatality rate of .5% (and that .5% being in very large part those old and unhealthy). Well, before this year we didn't, and I doubt we will ever be so naive again...
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On the bright side, think of all the lives we're saving from traffic accidents because so few people have to drive to work anymore! Mandatory Work From Home might be saving more lives from that than from COVID infections.
 
SaltyNuts said:
If by "they" you mean .5% or less of the population, you are on the right track. We all get it. COVID kills some people. As does the flu. As does the cold. As does a million other things. But we don't shut down the entire world economy for something with a fatality rate of .5% (and that .5% being in very large part those old and unhealthy). Well, before this year we didn't, and I doubt we will ever be so naive again...
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(1) I know several healthcare workers in NYC personally ... shutting down to flatten the curve and avoid overwhelming our healthcare system was absolutely 100% the right thing to do. This isn't opinion its fact.

(2) Now that the infection-rate has been majorly slowed its time to think about our livelihoods and CAREFULLY open the economy back up.

(3) Hopefully also we will learn our lesson so this type of thing does not happen again. Believe it or not we got off easy this time with Covid-19 in terms of mortality rates. The next pandemic may well be a much more dangerous infection and it would be nice if we were prepared.
 
SaltyNuts said:
If by "they" you mean .5% or less of the population, you are on the right track. We all get it. COVID kills some people. As does the flu. As does the cold. As does a million other things. But we don't shut down the entire world economy for something with a fatality rate of .5% (and that .5% being in very large part those old and unhealthy). Well, before this year we didn't, and I doubt we will ever be so naive again...
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it's more like 1.5%, and the flu rate is more like 0.05% or 0.025%.

and that 1.5% is with non-overwhelmed medical system. which was the point of shutting everything down.



Captante said:
Hopefully also we will learn our lesson so this type of thing does not happen again.
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we had armed gunmen storming state capitols bearing the flags of enemy states. so, no, i doubt we've learned any lessons.
 
ElFenix said:
we had armed gunmen storming state capitols bearing the flags of enemy states. so, no, i doubt we've learned any lessons.
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I know .... trying to stay positive is all my bad! 😕

At this point I'm starting to feel like the average American is just so lazy and stupid that there's literally no hope. Our freedom is swirling in the bowl and not because "da gubnint" is forcing us to wear masks!
 
One thing to remember when trying to downplay the numbers is that out of those who did not die, it does not mean they're out of the woods. Permanent lung damage, possible brain damage, kidney damage and heart damage is now things they are discovering. We also don't know if there may even even more serious long term effects. Lot of these people may end up dying earlier than they normally would have if they didn't get it. We don't know that yet. If it's causing damage to organs it could definitely be life altering. Imagine you're an athlete and you got this virus. That could be the difference between continuing your career, or having to switch because you can't run for long anymore.

People keep comparing this to the flu, but does the flu completely decimate hospital ICUs or force some places to quickly build a makeshift hospital? I don't think so. Most people who get the flu call in sick and stay at home, let it run it's course, and go back to work. The ones that die of the flu usually already have health conditions.

While covid 19 does affect older people more it's also affecting younger people as well. There are people in their 30's that have died. Though some of those deaths were in China and questionable and could have been executions.
 
SaltyNuts said:
LOL, the first 5 minutes of that video was him saying symptoms that might have well have been symptoms of a flu or cold lol. But, I get it, it can do different things as well. But the bottom line remains, whatever it does, if the entire world caught it tomorrow ~99.5% would live, some not even knowing they had it, others recovering in relatively short order. And those few (relatively speaking) that died would be mostly the old and those with existing health problems. There is absolutely, positively no reason to keep the economy closed down for this, especially above what has already been done (under the guise of "flattening the curve)). Once people see this it will drop off as a hot topic discussion point and life will resume to normal. One year from now people will be looking back thinking, "What were we thinking??!!?".
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Got it. So you are for the death panels. Also the fatality rate is higher than .5% according to everything I've read.
 
I put a different spin on the fact that many hospitals did not get over-crowded and that even most of those that did were not to the point of complete failure.

What we did worked.

That's the problem with success in this type of situation you'll inevitably get masters of hindsight saying the effort was wasted.

My guess is that if we had not shut down the country when we did and folks continued to travel from LA and NY unchecked to pretty much EVERYPLACE in the USA silently carrying the virus we would be in a far worse place then we are.

At one point over 800 Americans a day were dying in NYC hospitals from this. Line up 800 bodies on your street side by side .... that's one day. Just in NYC. It could have been that way (in proportion) in every large/medium city in the country.
 
repoman0 said:
... they insisted, as their lungs turned to blood and mucous and their organs died
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Said the one guy out of a hundred who actually got that sick. For most of the people who get it, it's more like a bad case of the flu.

I'm kind of disappointed in Trump... Judging from his Tweets, I thought that he is supposed to be some kind of macho pro-freedom tough guy now. Why isn't he threatening to cut aid for states like mine that still have everything locked down and are cowering in fear? You need more revenue? Let people get back to work and earn it through income taxes.
 
ultimatebob said:
Said the one guy out of a hundred who actually got that sick. For most of the people who get it, it's more like a bad case of the flu.
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Easy to say long as your not guy #100 .... or his wife, kids, dad etc lol ..?? 😳

Last time I had the flu I was so sick I nearly called 911 a couple times because I was having trouble breathing and I went in healthy. Co-worker (who likely infected entire office) passed away from the same flu the same week I was out with it.



ultimatebob said:
Why isn't he threatening to cut aid for states like mine that still have everything locked down and are cowering in fear? You need more revenue? Let people get back to work and earn it through income taxes.
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Shhhh ... don't give him any ideas. 😉
 
ultimatebob said:
I'm kind of disappointed in Trump... Judging from his Tweets, I thought that he is supposed to be some kind of macho pro-freedom tough guy now. Why isn't he threatening to cut aid for states like mine that still have everything locked down and are cowering in fear? You need more revenue? Let people get back to work and earn it through income taxes.
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Disappointed in Trump for not being more of a dbag? Especially to punish states that already contribute more to the federal coffer than they take away. Wow. Bigly sad.
 
MrSquished said:
Disappointed in Trump for not being more of a dbag? Especially to punish states that already contribute more to the federal coffer than they take away. Wow. Bigly sad.
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Well, he keeps wanting to "Liberate" swing states like Michigan. How come he can't liberate me as well? I know that Connecticut will never vote for him, but we do have a lot of wealthy campaign donors who live here.
 
ultimatebob said:
Said the one guy out of a hundred who actually got that sick. For most of the people who get it, it's more like a bad case of the flu.
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There is actually long term damage with this. It affects your lung capacity, damages your kidneys, brain and heart. They're still figuring out the details but it does not look good. This is life altering in a bad way, I'd say it's more equivalant to getting lyme disease than the flu. Just because you recover does not mean you're out of the woods.
 
ultimatebob said:
Said the one guy out of a hundred who actually got that sick. For most of the people who get it, it's more like a bad case of the flu.

I'm kind of disappointed in Trump... Judging from his Tweets, I thought that he is supposed to be some kind of macho pro-freedom tough guy now. Why isn't he threatening to cut aid for states like mine that still have everything locked down and are cowering in fear? You need more revenue? Let people get back to work and earn it through income taxes.
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You first. Go run around an ICU ward and lick a couple patients so you understand what you want to sign people up for before volunteering the health of the nation for them. Maybe you’ll live, maybe not, maybe permanent organ damage if you do, maybe not *shrug*
 
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