pontifex
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why do you seriously doubt it?
he's got the gun in 1 hand
he runs out of ammo
hits the mag release and lets the mag fall out.
slaps another mag in with his free hand
hits the slide release
continues shooting
if he has the next mag in his free hand already or even if he just has to pull it out of his vest. you can do it very quickly.
And if an asteroid the size of texas is hurtling through space at us, we just *might* be able to find a few hero oil riggers to land on it, drill a hole a few miles deep, and drop a thermonuclear bomb into it.
As long as we stay rational, of course.
He also had TWO GUNS. I'm sure if you tried to rush during a reload he'd just drop the clip and pop a few in you with the other gun.
Those classrooms were the kind with those little chair/desk thingys, with the door in the very front right or front left corner of the room. The rows are narrow and hard to move through quickly. If he were to enter the room, he would be in the corner, with no real way to get around him.
(and yes, I know, I had class in Norris 204 last semester)
K1052
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The fastest mag changes I've ever seen are competition speed shooters who dedicate a LOT of time getting it down and use special mag holders. It takes them about a second from empty to shooting again.
I highly doubt the guy was at that speed not to mention doing it under pressure.
PricklyPete
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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
So, I've been thinking. If the VT shooter had any audience around him, who was not exactly in his line of fire, how did this guy not get taken out, before he could kill over 30 people? Being an ex marine, I would know, that if I could maneuver around him, out of his radius of sight, for 3 seconds, giving him no time for correction, I would be able to take him down. It's hard to believe, everyone he hit was in his immediate line of fire at all times. I wonder, if people just froze in panic. It seems someone, anyone should have been out of the line of fire, and should have been able to take him down, far before he got more than a few rounds off.
Crazy sh!t
He had crazy counter-strike strafing skills.
Well then, if he was able to be stopped, why didnt they? Because they didnt have the calm of mind and rationality that you would have in an ambush massacre?
There were dozens of students in the classroom, and being that the ratio of heroes to regular people seem to be 1:1 around here, I'd expect it to have been somewhat similar there.
So he can't be stopped, but did his roomate really not know anything about this at all? He took pictures with himself, wrote long letters and kept video, he obviously planned for this day in advance. I can't see how he could keep this craziness, two handguns and more weapons from a roommate or others. He was in a dorm, granted he's got a door that he can lock but I'll tell you what, those rooms are far from private.
K1052
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Some probably tried, there are no guarantees of success. I even commented that the layout of the room is decidedly in the attacker's favor. There are a lot of variables.
Just because you make the attempt and fail doesn't mean you were wrong to try. That does not mean running face first into a firing gun trying to be the hero. Only morons who have watched too many action movies seriously think that is a viable idea. However, if you see an opening you should take it IMO.
pontifex
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"yeah, when he was writing those letters, he wrote like a psycho! it was crazy just sitting there watching him write!" :roll:
maybe the video was made when the roomate was gone?
there's nothing wrong with owning guns (although if he was on campus and if guns are not allowed on campus, then maybe you have a point there). what other weapons did he have? i don't recall hearing anything about more weapons.
is this the 1st school shooting you ever heard of? how many times have people in interviews say "i never expected this", "he never seemed like the kind of person to do soemthing like this", etc? it can be well hidden, or maybe people just don't care.
HeroOfPellinor
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Originally posted by: Umberger
Those classrooms were the kind with those little chair/desk thingys, with the door in the very front right or front left corner of the room. The rows are narrow and hard to move through quickly. If he were to enter the room, he would be in the corner, with no real way to get around him.
(and yes, I know, I had class in Norris 204 last semester)
The first classroom was screwed. Nothing you can do. But after that, he was apparently travelling up and down the hall to other rooms for what sounds like an hour or so....more than enough time for a handful of survivors from one of the classrooms that successfully barred his entry to talk themselves into being heroes.
That said, there is a different between the mind of a 19 year old and that of a 30 year old. At 19, you have your whole life ahead of you. Your natural animal instincts are going to insist that you flee or hide. By 30, there's a good chance you'll have seen and done enough that the risk of death in the face of heroism and saving lives--one of which could be your own--wouldn't be dreaded quite so much. Look at the teachers who acted to save their students for example.
Kinda hard to see an opening when youre ducking down behind a desk...again...this wasnt a standoff. He wasnt monologuing. He started shooting the second he came in, and left to go to another room when he appeared to have killed everyone in the room. There is a huge, vast distance between the door at the desks.
The only thing anyone could have done is throw a desk at him, but hurling one of those things across a room, not to mention your only meager cover, is easier said than done, and he'll more than likely have seen it coming.
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Umberger
Those classrooms were the kind with those little chair/desk thingys, with the door in the very front right or front left corner of the room. The rows are narrow and hard to move through quickly. If he were to enter the room, he would be in the corner, with no real way to get around him.
(and yes, I know, I had class in Norris 204 last semester)
The first classroom was screwed. Nothing you can do. But after that, he was apparently travelling up and down the hall to other rooms for what sounds like an hour or so....more than enough time for a handful of survivors from one of the classrooms that successfully barred his entry to talk themselves into being heroes.
That said, there is a different between the mind of a 19 year old and that of a 30 year old. At 19, you have your whole life ahead of you. Your natural animal instincts are going to insist that you flee or hide. By 30, there's a good chance you'll have seen and done enough that the risk of death in the face of heroism and saving lives--one of which could be your own--wouldn't be dreaded quite so much. Look at the teachers who acted to save their students for example.
Its one thing to praise heroics, but its entirely another thing to criticize the lack of heroics. Thats what bothers me so much about this BS I'm hearing here.
K1052
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School desks aren't cover (unless we are talking about the magic ones from the old civil defense films that protect students from nuclear blasts). The weapons he had would send rounds right through pretty much anything in the room and into the students.
Was this guy that accurate and if so how did he become this way since February when he bought the first weapon? I have a couple of weapons and shooting a moving target isn't the easiest thing to do. I'm sure after the first few that the rest were in a panic and trying to find any shelter they could. What a senseless waste.
Queasy
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WaPo has a detailed moment by moment detail of the shootings. The way Cho was walking around picking off people trying to hide under desks and in corners, he didn't have to be terribly accurate at the distances he was shooting. Plus, he was using hollow-point bullets which only increased the lethality of his shot.
Gooberlx2
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Another part of that is that when someone shuts you out so completely and is so unsociable/unwelcoming, especially as a roomate, you'll be of the opinion that you'd rather not know anything about that person anyway. Eventually, some people will probably try to spend as much time as possible out of their room, with their friends, and away from him in the end.
So when you're actively trying to know as little as possible about someone, it's very easy for them to get away with and hide things.
WaPo has a detailed moment by moment detail of the shootings. The way Cho was walking around picking off people trying to hide under desks and in corners, he didn't have to be terribly accurate at the distances he was shooting. Plus, he was using hollow-point bullets which only increased the lethality of his shot.
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I didn't see that. That explains a lot. Basicly they had no chance.
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