This is just plain fscked up.

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Abbott Laboratories $336,595
Democrats: 20%
Republicans: 80%

pwned.

Want supertool@gmail.com? 🙂

No, but thanks.

 

[JImmyK]

Wasn't it around 2001 when Brazil just couldnt stand it any longer and broke the patent on some AIDS medications we had? Because Brazils people were suffering and they pharm. company would not negotiate a decent price.

SO they now provide it free to all their citizens

We had actual Americans who would fly from our ocuntry to Brazil just to get AIDS medication, and then fly back.

Sure pharm companies should make money and all, but its at a ridiculous level, I couldnt imagine if my mother or father were dying and they could be helped, but I couldnt afford the medicines to save them, thats terrifying.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
probably belongs in P&N

Why, you're absolutely right! On your way there, make sure to give away money you need to get by; if you can, give it to people who need it due to their own foolish choices in life and not circumstance.

Yeah, like the people raped by those infected and babies born with the disease. What fools. :roll:

 

[JImmyK]

http://www.aegis.com/news/wsj/2001/WJ010803.html


"The number of AIDS-related deaths in the country [BRAZIL] has fallen 50% in four years. "

In the last 4 years we have lost 80000 Americans to AIDS. thats almost 30 times the amount of people that perished in 9/11

 

[stonecold3169]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: tRaptor
Screw that. If I'm a drug company I should be able to charge WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT, even if its a cure for cancer, AIDS or whatever.

thats a very reasoned and intelligent response.

it's shocking the level of intelligence we can find in ATOT.



oh btw, even the truest of Free Market Economists believes that Monopoly situations are harmful to the overall economy, so, a company should NOT "be able to charge WHATEVER THE HELL" they want.

I'm really torn on this. I definitely agree with both of you, actually.

Should he government force Nintendo give away gamecubes, or sell them for cost, or for $20? No, that sounds silly, how can they do that, right? Well, maybe videogames increase my enjoyment of life, how can a company put a price on that?

I realize that the extent and magnitude is wide varying here. However, where do you draw the line? It's very gray indeed.

Also, to add to what someone said before me, the article lists cost per pill and percent markup, doesn;t take into account research... PLUS, it doesn't take into account research done by the company on prior drugs that has led to no medical discovery, and has basically lost money, or the fact that money needs to be packed away to put towards future research.

Plus, one last thing, if companies didn't have a chance at making a substantial amount of money by developing these drugs, they wouldn't bother doing it at all, and we'd have an even more messed up medical society then we do now.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
probably belongs in P&N

Why, you're absolutely right! On your way there, make sure to give away money you need to get by; if you can, give it to people who need it due to their own foolish choices in life and not circumstance.

Yeah, like the people raped by those infected and babies born with the disease. What fools. :roll:

Thanks for setting me straight, I was under the impression that the vast majority of cases were due to sharing needles and having unprotected sex - silly me! :roll:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
probably belongs in P&N

Why, you're absolutely right! On your way there, make sure to give away money you need to get by; if you can, give it to people who need it due to their own foolish choices in life and not circumstance.

Yeah, like the people raped by those infected and babies born with the disease. What fools. :roll:

Thanks for setting me straight, I was under the impression that the vast majority of cases were due to sharing needles and having unprotected sex - silly me! :roll:

Imagine if they used the money they are wasting in that sh!thole Iraq for R&D to create new drugs?

 

[FoBoT]

-> P&N

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
probably belongs in P&N

Why, you're absolutely right! On your way there, make sure to give away money you need to get by; if you can, give it to people who need it due to their own foolish choices in life and not circumstance.

Yeah, like the people raped by those infected and babies born with the disease. What fools. :roll:

Thanks for setting me straight, I was under the impression that the vast majority of cases were due to sharing needles and having unprotected sex - silly me! :roll:

Imagine if they used the money they are wasting in that sh!thole Iraq for R&D to create new drugs?

imagine if we had all the money from fighting world war 2 to create new drugs. what a world that would be :thumbsup:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: nick1985
[
imagine if we had all the money from fighting world war 2 to create new drugs. what a world that would be :thumbsup:

Another idiotic post from a NeoCon Fluffer.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: nick1985
[
imagine if we had all the money from fighting world war 2 to create new drugs. what a world that would be :thumbsup:

Another idiotic post from a NeoCon Fluffer.

i think liberals have an orgasm whenever they say neocon.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
look at this from the drug makers point of view,

AIDS is a big money maker


that is why their will never be a cure, its better to make the infected people live longer with treatments so they can buy more drugs *expensive drugs* every day for the rest of their lives, rather than a single expensive cure that only has to be conducted once.


If someone were to develope a cure on their own, i would imagine that they would kill him if they could before it got out.

You don't really believe that....

do you?

So, you believe that every scientist in every research team in every country is apart of this conspiracy?

Mmmmmmhmmmm..

:roll:

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Yeah probably belongs in P&N but I hate that forum. This really, really pisses me off.

"Initial research that led to Norvir?s discovery was financed in part by taxpayers, through a $3.5 million NIH grant."

"Abbott Laboratories more than quadrupled Norvir?s price late last year, to $8.57 a day from $1.71."

"A 24-year-old law gives the National Institutes of Health the right to do that, but the government has never invoked its so-called march-in rights."

Corporate profits while people suffer. Proud to be an American. :roll:

If you really think it's Bush's fault then you're dumber than we thought.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: nick1985
[
imagine if we had all the money from fighting world war 2 to create new drugs. what a world that would be :thumbsup:

Another idiotic post from a NeoCon Fluffer.

i think liberals have an orgasm whenever they say neocon.

hahaha......

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: nick1985
[
imagine if we had all the money from fighting world war 2 to create new drugs. what a world that would be :thumbsup:

Another idiotic post from a NeoCon Fluffer.

i think liberals have an orgasm whenever they say neocon.

Ready for a face shot bitch?

 

[Lazy8s]

free what? drugs or market? I know it sux but I have to go with free market. As was pointed out earlier, if the pharma companies wanted they could cure most of this but where's the money in that? We're not going to pass laws forcing them to cure things and while I feel bad for people if you can't afford it don't buy it, just like everything else. 🙁

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Lazy8s
free what? drugs or market? I know it sux but I have to go with free market. As was pointed out earlier, if the pharma companies wanted they could cure most of this but where's the money in that? We're not going to pass laws forcing them to cure things and while I feel bad for people if you can't afford it don't buy it, just like everything else. 🙁

I don't believe financial status should be the determining factor in who gets the Medicines needed for treating those afflicted.

 

[CChaos]

Originally posted by: stonecold3169

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: tRaptor
Screw that. If I'm a drug company I should be able to charge WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT, even if its a cure for cancer, AIDS or whatever.

thats a very reasoned and intelligent response.

it's shocking the level of intelligence we can find in ATOT.



oh btw, even the truest of Free Market Economists believes that Monopoly situations are harmful to the overall economy, so, a company should NOT "be able to charge WHATEVER THE HELL" they want.

I'm really torn on this. I definitely agree with both of you, actually.

Should he government force Nintendo give away gamecubes, or sell them for cost, or for $20? No, that sounds silly, how can they do that, right? Well, maybe videogames increase my enjoyment of life, how can a company put a price on that?

I realize that the extent and magnitude is wide varying here. However, where do you draw the line? It's very gray indeed.

I'm sorry, did Nintendo get a $3.5 million research grant from the US government to develop GameCubes or are most of you just unable to RTFA?

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Yeah probably belongs in P&N but I hate that forum. This really, really pisses me off.

"Initial research that led to Norvir?s discovery was financed in part by taxpayers, through a $3.5 million NIH grant."

"Abbott Laboratories more than quadrupled Norvir?s price late last year, to $8.57 a day from $1.71."

"A 24-year-old law gives the National Institutes of Health the right to do that, but the government has never invoked its so-called march-in rights."

Corporate profits while people suffer. Proud to be an American. :roll:

If you really think it's Bush's fault then you're dumber than we thought.

I think posting this in OT cemented that; whether he thinks it's Bush's fault is irrelevant.

 

[JoPh]

Re-elect Bush!