This is getting ridiculous

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Can't quite close the thread yet:

For future reference, where are the "established procedures" that state that the timing of shipping/paying is a required term to be determined before you have a contract of sale?

MotionMan

The "mores" or "established procedures" of any one culture or grouping or "sub-culture" are often not written down on a placard, but are easily learned and absorbed during one's active participation in that "group", aided solely by one's common sense and willingness and ability to learn and absorb from those around you.

When in Rome . . .

IOW, if you've been trading on our forums for even a little while, you dead nuts should have known this by now.

I already said all this to you in my pm sent more than an hour ago, to which you have not yet replied.

You would have expended less energy and created less drama by the simple and relatively easy act of learning this, especially aided by your law training, as opposed to not thinking it through and coming here and complaining about it.

Just saying.

I figured the PM could be the end of it.

Thanks.

MotionMan

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
jeez. he was just saying how annoying it was. fair enough. as a seller you try to SELL your shit. someone show's interest, you respond promptly and the potential buyer backs out. i'd say that was annoying.

im not saying that it's a unique experience - it does seem like it's common the web. OP has dealt with it, as so many of you are quick to point out. this post isn't any different from another rant over something equally as annoying.

ill probably be selling some shit on the FS/T forum soon, so it's good to read this and be prepared for flaky buyers. im obviously new at this and never sold stuff before so im not familiar with the "norm" of internet used sales.

How did the potential buyer "back out"? To "back out" there would have to be an agreed upon deal in place. Thats the problem. MotionMan assumes that by simply agreeing to a price that that constitutes an agreement which is does not. He's just whining.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: maziwanka
jeez. he was just saying how annoying it was. fair enough. as a seller you try to SELL your shit. someone show's interest, you respond promptly and the potential buyer backs out. i'd say that was annoying.

im not saying that it's a unique experience - it does seem like it's common the web. OP has dealt with it, as so many of you are quick to point out. this post isn't any different from another rant over something equally as annoying.

ill probably be selling some shit on the FS/T forum soon, so it's good to read this and be prepared for flaky buyers. im obviously new at this and never sold stuff before so im not familiar with the "norm" of internet used sales.

How did the potential buyer "back out"? To "back out" there would have to be an agreed upon deal in place. Thats the problem. MotionMan assumes that by simply agreeing to a price that that constitutes an agreement which is does not. He's just whining.

I was ranting, not whining. Big difference.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
How did the potential buyer "back out"? To "back out" there would have to be an agreed upon deal in place. Thats the problem. MotionMan assumes that by simply agreeing to a price that that constitutes an agreement which is does not. He's just whining.

You know, that raises an interesting point:

If the guy in my example had simply sent me money without us agreeing on anything else, like shipping terms, under our established procedures, do we have a deal?

MotionMan

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

I was ranting, not whining. Big difference.

MotionMan

It's always ranting to the person doing it....9 times out of 10 it's whining to all those hearing it.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Perknose
I already said all this to you in my pm sent more than an hour ago, to which you have not yet replied.

Is that PMwn'd?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Perknose
I already said all this to you in my pm sent more than an hour ago, to which you have not yet replied.

Is that PMwn'd?

No.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: MotionMan

I was ranting, not whining. Big difference.

MotionMan

It's always ranting to the person doing it....9 times out of 10 it's whining to all those hearing it.

And your definition of the difference between a rant and a whine would be...?

MotionMan

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: MotionMan

I was ranting, not whining. Big difference.

MotionMan

It's always ranting to the person doing it....9 times out of 10 it's whining to all those hearing it.

And your definition of the difference between a rant and a whine would be...?

MotionMan

The tears, the smudged mascara, and the fluttery hand motions, but seriously, the lack of a solid basis (in the eyes of the observer) for your complaint is what principally distinguishes the two.

RANT: Why do the other girls in my HS secretly abort their babies in the Girls Room and then never clean up their placenta and afterbirth?

WHINE: Why is the toilet paper in my executive wash room only two ply and not four ply?

^^^ Examples stretched to the wretchedly absurd so that even a lawyer can't argue the difference.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: maziwanka
jeez. he was just saying how annoying it was. fair enough. as a seller you try to SELL your shit. someone show's interest, you respond promptly and the potential buyer backs out. i'd say that was annoying.

im not saying that it's a unique experience - it does seem like it's common the web. OP has dealt with it, as so many of you are quick to point out. this post isn't any different from another rant over something equally as annoying.

ill probably be selling some shit on the FS/T forum soon, so it's good to read this and be prepared for flaky buyers. im obviously new at this and never sold stuff before so im not familiar with the "norm" of internet used sales.

How did the potential buyer "back out"? To "back out" there would have to be an agreed upon deal in place. Thats the problem. MotionMan assumes that by simply agreeing to a price that that constitutes an agreement which is does not. He's just whining.

I was ranting, not whining. Big difference.

MotionMan

Nope.... I'm pretty sure it was a whine. I've got 2 little kids and that's pretty much what they sound like.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: Perknose
RANT: Why do the other girls in my HS secretly abort their babies in the Girls Room and then never clean up their placenta and afterbirth?

Dude... You've got issues, haha.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: MotionMan

I was ranting, not whining. Big difference.

MotionMan

It's always ranting to the person doing it....9 times out of 10 it's whining to all those hearing it.

And your definition of the difference between a rant and a whine would be...?

MotionMan

The tears, the smudged mascara, and the fluttery hand motions, but seriously, the lack of a solid basis (in the eyes of the observer) for your complaint is what principally distinguishes the two.

RANT: Why do the other girls in my HS secretly abort their babies in the Girls Room and then never clean up their placenta and afterbirth?

WHINE: Why is the toilet paper in my executive wash room only two ply and not four ply?

^^^ Examples stretched to the wretchedly absurd so that even a lawyer can't argue the difference.

I see no difference between those two. You are whining in both and ranting in neither.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Perknose
I already said all this to you in my pm sent more than an hour ago, to which you have not yet replied.

Is that PMwn'd?

No.

MotionMan

Ahhh Motiown'd then.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: geno
bump

:thumbsup:

 

[PieIsAwesome]

As it has already been stated, accepting an offer does not mean that there is a deal. Some people shop around, and part of shopping around involves inquiring about prices. Making a decision can take a couple of days, and so the individual inquiring about the price should let the seller know whether or not he or she will respond in a few days or if he or she plans to buy the item at all, but this is just etiquette. The seller should assume that there is no sale until the buyer clearly states that he or she will buy or until payment has been received.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
As it has already been stated, accepting an offer does not mean that there is a deal.

I guess the lawyer in me just does not get this part.

The seller should assume that there is no sale until the buyer clearly states that he or she will buy or until payment has been received.

What if payment is received, but no other terms have been discussed, like shipping, is there a deal?

MotionMan

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Who the Hell makes a payment before nailing down shipping options, unless the seller is paying for shipping no matter what method is used?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Who the Hell makes a payment before nailing down shipping options, unless the seller is paying for shipping no matter what method is used?

I have had the following happen on many occasions:

1. I receive an inquiry PM asking if I will take $XXXX.
2. I respond to the PM in affirmative and provide my PayPal info
3. I receive a payment of $XXXX via PayPal with the buyers shipping info
4. I will usually then ship the item.

So, did we have a deal at the end of step 3?

MotionMan