This is for all the people that voted for New Jersey as lamest state

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Deeko
jzero, no, it is not the most efficient solution to the problem. They are incredibly annoying and are only effective in extremely high traffic situations.

LOL. That sounded suspiciously similar to "You're wrong! I'm right! Checkmate! Nyah Nyah!" OK, you must be right then! Cheers.

I am right....they installed a jughandle near my home my senior year of HS, and not only did traffic flow not improve, it became exceedingly more of a hassle to drive that way. Logic through experience my friend.

 

[Nitemare]

I'm sorry but any state in which the government thinks that the average person is too stupid to pump their own gas is automatically lame.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I am right....they installed a jughandle near my home my senior year of HS, and not only did traffic flow not improve, it became exceedingly more of a hassle to drive that way. Logic through experience my friend.

You also know that such anecdotal evidence means next to nothing.
I know someone that had XXX brand of car die on them, so I know those cars are unreliable.

#1 It takes a while for drivers to get used to a new traffic flow.
#2 If it's the only jughandle around, it's the same old inconsistent application problem.

Neither is a problem inherent to jughandles - both are problems inherent to the people implementing and/or using them.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Deeko
I am right....they installed a jughandle near my home my senior year of HS, and not only did traffic flow not improve, it became exceedingly more of a hassle to drive that way. Logic through experience my friend.

You also know that such anecdotal evidence means next to nothing.
I know someone that had XXX brand of car die on them, so I know those cars are unreliable.

#1 It takes a while for drivers to get used to a new traffic flow.
#2 If it's the only jughandle around, it's the same old inconsistent application problem.

Neither is a problem inherent to jughandles - both are problems inherent to the people implementing and/or using them.

I already explained the inherent problem with jughandles. If there is moderate to light traffic, which on most roads there is most of the time, it is much faster, and thus more efficient, to use a left turning lane rather than a jughandle.

 

[Siva]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Deeko
I am right....they installed a jughandle near my home my senior year of HS, and not only did traffic flow not improve, it became exceedingly more of a hassle to drive that way. Logic through experience my friend.

You also know that such anecdotal evidence means next to nothing.
I know someone that had XXX brand of car die on them, so I know those cars are unreliable.

#1 It takes a while for drivers to get used to a new traffic flow.
#2 If it's the only jughandle around, it's the same old inconsistent application problem.

Neither is a problem inherent to jughandles - both are problems inherent to the people implementing and/or using them.

I already explained the inherent problem with jughandles. If there is moderate to light traffic, which on most roads there is most of the time, it is much faster, and thus more efficient, to use a left turning lane rather than a jughandle.

In moderate traffic a jughandle can cost you maybe 2 minutes to sit through an extra light. In rush hour traffic a jug handle can cut down major traffic by a whole lot more than that.

And to address Nitemare's statement, the law about pumping gas is to create jobs. We still pay less for gas than surrounding states because of lower taxes. I can pump my own gas too, I do travel every now and then.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Deeko
You can A) get in a left turn lane(which does not disrupt traffic and is logical), wait a minimal amount of time to no amount of time, and turn left.

Yeah except most of the intersections around here are lacking the all-important "Left turn yield on green" sign so you have to wait for the green arrow.

Or you can B) get into the right lane, figure out of the jughandle is before or after the intersection, turn, and sit and wait at the light.

I've already stated, what, 3 times now that the only failing of jughandles is inconsistent application.

Jughandles are actually worse in PA because they show up in the most random and inconvenient places.

Obviously....your roads are poorly designed. You are proving my point.

PlatinumGold, I live in Philly.....I manage to make left turns without jughandles and I'm pretty sure we've got fairly dense population here...

That intersection by Ikea sucks. And a lot of your roads in Philly are one-way, so left turns are no big thing. But you gotta admit, it sucks being in the left lane on a street with no left turn lane and getting stuck behind some guy waiting to turn left. Our roads have a much larger capacity than 200 year old narrow city streets with 25-35 mph speed limits, you know.

 

[So]

I don't care what some stupid study said. I've been to NJ. I wouldn't want to live there (or anywhere on the east coast)

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cmdavid
#8 baby!! peachtree city, ga

wow, look at that median income vs median house price.

btw, i grew up in Doraville, GA. 20 yrs i lived in GA, (all over, decatur, stone mountain, lawrenceville, Auburn, GA (way out there).)

but it is just too hot and humid down there for me.

Similar to where I live: http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/snapshots/42702.html

Except they say the median home price here is $265k... I'm looking to buy a house soon, and I can't find any house listings nearly that low. I guess they include townhouses, they go for about $200k, but I didn't think there were that many here.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Jzero
Come on, you KNOW that's not true. The most efficient solution is often not the most common solution. Jughandles are also usually more expensive to build.

And they take a lot of space, unless that's what you meant by they're expensive to build.

 

[bharok]

Rutherford

 

[bharok]

go North Jersey

 

[BrokenVisage]

Why do I hate NJ, two words... TRAFFIC CIRCLES!

 

[bharok]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Deeko
I can't really find anything that says the physical area of northeast...but you DO realize that over 400k people live there, right?

you do realize that over 10 million people live in NJ right? with over 70% living north of trenton?

of that 7 million people region, hoboken is one of the most densely populated so i'd be willing to bet that it ranks as one of the most densely populated areas outside of a downtown area anywhere in the US.

Ok? 38k is still a lot less people than 400k, and its not like northeast is a big area...

you realize density is not the same as total population.

it wouldn't take much to find an area of nj including hoboken that contained 400k people.

just do a google map search and look at the satellite photos. it clearly shows the northeast part of NJ as being more densly populated than NE philly.

and don't try and talk about how much things have changed since those images. NJ has grown more in that time period than Philly has.

http://www.demographia.com/db-landstatepopdens.htm
# New Jersey has the highest population density in the U.S. An average 1,030 people per sq. mi., which is 13 times the national average.

 

[PlatinumGold]

New Jersey is the only state where all its counties are classified as metropolitan areas.

from link in post above. an interesting fact. for all the New Jersians that complain about Insurance rates, that's the reason why.

 

[kitkat22]

#23 Papillion, NE - Sweet!!

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: isekii
It's all of you POS from PA that comes and drives on NJ roads that make it inefficient.
Especially with your POS Driving.

NJ drivers are awful, just awful.

 

[CreativeTom]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Deeko
Kinda like how no matter how many valid, 100% accurate arguments are given AGAINST you in this thread, you will still maintain that Jersey is great?

I have a roommate from Moorestown. He thinks its hilarious because in no way does he think its the best place in the country. My other roommate, from Cherry Hilly, has the same feeling.

Is it September yet? The kiddies need to go back to their AMAZING jersey jr high's....

What do you have against NJ? I live here and I don't think it's the best place in the US, but it's nowhere near the worst, either.

But you just seem to hate it for no reason.

You don't know very many people from New Jersey that live in Philadelphia, do you?

If you heard them constantly talk about New Jersey as if it were a place set aside by God to be the best in the world, for only the best in the world, you'd know where I'm coming from.

Like I said, there are plenty of worse places than Jersey, they just aren't as stuck up and annoying as most Jersey people are.

Man this guy doesn't give up.....I really wonder why he hates NJ soooooo much. I think you need to get a grip dude.

 

[The Green Bean]

 

[SP33Demon]

The Moorestown/Mt.Laurel/Marlton/Medford/Maple Shade areas are a great place to live. I lived there for 20 years growing up. I visit Moorestown and Philly about twice a month now.

The pros of Moorestown and surrounding South NJ areas:

1) There's about 4 malls within a half hour drive, and shopping plaza's/movies/restaurants everywhere. You want something, you can probably get it here.
2) Cheapest gas you'll ever find, yes, cheaper than DE.
3) White Castle baby!
4) Close to shore/AC and Philly areas, easy drive to Poconos/NYC.
5) Nice roads.
6) Great schools, education wise and teacher:student ratios
7) Moorestown Main St. is gorgeous, very well done.
8) Low crime
9) Very cheap liquor, even cheaper than DE. I have friends in Philly who make liquor runs to NJ, yes it's that much cheaper. I also have friends who moved from Philly to NJ to live, so Philly can't be that much better.

Cons:
1) Speed limits are low in many areas to generate revenue (good ex is right off Betsy Ross)
2) Housing is way overvalued, and property taxes suck
3) Traffic circles suck (route 73 is a good example)
4) Not much to do socially except hang with neighbors, not much night life
5) Traffic can be a nightmare, mainly rush hour and holidays

And sorry Deeko, WaWa > Sheetz. And I've been to Sheetz in PA, WV, MD, and NJ. For example, I just ordered a chicken salad hoagie the other day from Sheetz (in MD). It tasted like sht compared to WaWa's, and cost more. Also, WaWa has better bread selection, like people eating healthy (multigrain). WaWa sells fresh veggie snacks and Sheetz doesn't. As well as cheaper gas than Sheetz. Sheetz is a cheap imitation of WaWa and I've been to most of them in the Northeast.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
3) White Castle baby!

I thought the one on 73 in Pennsauken closed? Is it still there?

And sorry Deeko, WaWa > Sheetz

A non-issue anyway seeing as Wawa was born in PA.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
3) White Castle baby!

I thought the one on 73 in Pennsauken closed? Is it still there?

And sorry Deeko, WaWa > Sheetz

A non-issue anyway seeing as Wawa was born in PA.

I thought it was still there... Although been awhile. I'll have to check this weekend. Or maybe I'll have my brother swing by today.

Yeah Wawa is great regardless. Makes me wish I worked there part time in HS and got some of those private stock options

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I thought it was still there... Although been awhile. I'll have to check this weekend. Or maybe I'll have my brother swing by today.

Do let me know. I rarely have occasion to take the Tacony Bridge anymore. I could not find either the Pennsauken or Edison location on the website a little while back, either.

 

[CreativeTom]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Why do I hate NJ, two words... TRAFFIC CIRCLES!

NJ is doing away with the traffic circles, many have been removed and redisgned as normal intersections. The next big one to go is in Marlton at the 70 and 73 intersection, it will now be made into an overpass type of intersection.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: CreativeTom

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Why do I hate NJ, two words... TRAFFIC CIRCLES!

NJ is doing away with the traffic circles, many have been removed and redisgned as normal intersections. The next big one to go is in Marlton at the 70 and 73 intersection, it will now be made into an overpass type of intersection.

Sweet! I hate that circle... made it such a pain just to get to Olga's Diner for a bite to eat.

 

[CreativeTom]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: CreativeTom

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Why do I hate NJ, two words... TRAFFIC CIRCLES!

NJ is doing away with the traffic circles, many have been removed and redisgned as normal intersections. The next big one to go is in Marlton at the 70 and 73 intersection, it will now be made into an overpass type of intersection.

Sweet! I hate that circle... made it such a pain just to get to Olga's Diner for a bite to eat.

OH GOD....don't eat there. I think they are closing it down anyway when they build the new intersection. I saw not too long ago that it was for sale though, over 3 million they wanted for that dive.