This has me baffled

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: BushBasha
...and your "moron" nonsense facilitated that. Mom, he started it; is this the game you are playing?

Hey, I may have been a little on the harsh side, but I still maintain that if you drive a gas-guzzler and bitch about gas prices then guess what? Yup, you're a moron.

(As they say, if the shoe fits)

Oh and by the way, how did my comment concerning drivers of landbarges have anything to do with John Kerry? Or are you in the habit of going off on freak tangents for no explicable reason?

(somehow I think that's the problem here)

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: BushBasha
...and your "moron" nonsense facilitated that. Mom, he started it; is this the game you are playing?

Hey, I may have been a little on the harsh side, but I still maintain that if you drive a gas-guzzler and bitch about gas prices then guess what? Yup, you're a moron.

(As they say, if the shoe fits)

Oh and by the way, how did my comment concerning drivers of landbarges have anything to do with John Kerry? Or are you in the habit of going off on freak tangents for no explicable reason?

(somehow I think that's the problem here)

Possibly because Kerry drives and is often driven around in a land barge and he complains about gas prices?

 

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: BushBasha
...and your "moron" nonsense facilitated that. Mom, he started it; is this the game you are playing?

Hey, I may have been a little on the harsh side, but I still maintain that if you drive a gas-guzzler and bitch about gas prices then guess what? Yup, you're a moron.

(As they say, if the shoe fits)

Oh and by the way, how did my comment concerning drivers of landbarges have anything to do with John Kerry? Or are you in the habit of going off on freak tangents for no explicable reason?

(somehow I think that's the problem here)

John Kerry has everything to do with it. You sit there and whine about people who drive SUVS, then you call them morons...then you argue that we are "make the situation worse by commuting to your job in your Lincoln Navigator." You fail, however, to every criticize John Kerry for that little hair cut SNAFU...you fail to criticize Gore for wasting 65K gallons to tell us that burning 65K gallons is not good for the environment.

Again, do the math...one trip to fly the hairdresser to the campaign trail to trim some sideburns equals how many trips to work in my moronic SUV?

Using your criterion for moronic behavior, let's assume that JoeSUV drives 50 miles a day, each way:

50 x 2= 100 miles/day

Let's further assume he works 5 days a week:

5 x 100 = 500 miles a week

Let's also assume that he works all 52 weeks of the year and doesn't take any time off:

52 x 500 (miles per week) = 26,000 miles per year?

Okay, my explorer gets 14mpg on the low side...20 on the high side, but closer to the low side given traffic and stop-and-go. Let's use the lower band of my confidence interval:

26,000 miles / 14mpg = ~ 1857 gallons of gas a year.

Okay, let's also look at Mr. Gore's trip:

He consumed, say, 65K gallons to fly around the world and tell people that using 65K gallons of gas is baahhhhhhhd.

65,000 / 1857 = 35'ish, for the sake of brevity?

So, if I, being the moron that I am for driving my SUV (the truck of my choosing) to work 50 miles a day each way, continue my patterns of consumption, is it not safe to assume that I will consume as much gas as Al Gore or John Kerry used for each of their, to quote Red, Excellent Adventurers in approximately 35 years?

 

[DealMonkey]

So in your narrow-minded universe, Kerry and Gore are the only politicians wasting gas? LOL, you're unreal.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: BushBasha
So, if I, being the moron that I am for driving my SUV (the truck of my choosing) to work 50 miles a day each way, continue my patterns of consumption, is it not safe to assume that I will consume as much gas as Al Gore or John Kerry used for each of their, to quote Red, Excellent Adventurers in approximately 35 years?

Multiply your behavior by 100 Million+ and now you've got some idea of how much gas big trucks and SUVs (and other fuel inefficient vehicles) are wasting.

 

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So in your narrow-minded universe, Kerry and Gore are the only politicians wasting gas? LOL, you're unreal.

Ford make 22,000 green Mustangs in 1987.


WTF are you talking about? I said you are more worried about me and my 50 miles a day and calling SUV drivers morons and you should really be after the private jet industry, if you are that concerned. I don't think anyone is "wasting" gas unless they are spilling it for no reason...

When is the last time liberals held a rally outside Heinz's house calling her and her husband morons for wasting gas in their $700,000 boat and $M jet? Instead, you are worried about ol' JoeSUV and his choice to buy a vehicle you don't approve of, right?

I am done with this line of debate...you just don't seem to get it and have been tap-dancing throughout the entire thread. Whatever, man. I can kill my baby, but I am Satan for buying a truck to pull my jet skis.

 

[DealMonkey]

WTF are you talking about? Buy whatever gas-wasting PoS vehicle you want, but don't come bitching to the rest of us when it costs you $75+ to fill your tank. And yes, it doesn't take much logic to understand that 100+ MILLION individual drivers on U.S. roads will have more of an impact on our country's gas usage than 1 or 2 politicians.

Nice of you to continue your political hackery by singling out Kerry and Gore. Any others on the left you wanna point your finger at?

(And yet, I'm sure you'll manage to completely miss my point yet again. *sigh*)

 

[CellarDoor]

I heard that in Paris you just aren't aloud to have SUV's in the city? Is that true? Everybody drives those smart cars around which are like half the size of a mini cooper. Pretty neat, actually.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

No, no, don't get me wrong. I'm just commenting on the redundency

Was just curious, alot of liberals view being called liberal a dirty word. For some reason you just can't call something what it is anymore when dealing with overly politically correct people.

I don't see what the point is to be honest. I'm a pretty simple person:

You're white, not anglo.
You're black, not african american.
You're liberal, not progressive.
You're conservative, not a wholesome person with family freakin values.

I don't find sugar coating adds much to discussions.

Probably because a lot of the people who are labeled liberals are more conservative then the idiots who are running the country. If Buchanan dropped his social agenda I would probably vote for him.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

No, no, don't get me wrong. I'm just commenting on the redundency

Was just curious, alot of liberals view being called liberal a dirty word. For some reason you just can't call something what it is anymore when dealing with overly politically correct people.

I don't see what the point is to be honest. I'm a pretty simple person:

You're white, not anglo.
You're black, not african american.
You're liberal, not progressive.
You're conservative, not a wholesome person with family freakin values.

I don't find sugar coating adds much to discussions.

Conservatives made it a dirty word. WTF are you talking about?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: BushBasha

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: BushBasha
...and your "moron" nonsense facilitated that. Mom, he started it; is this the game you are playing?

Hey, I may have been a little on the harsh side, but I still maintain that if you drive a gas-guzzler and bitch about gas prices then guess what? Yup, you're a moron.

(As they say, if the shoe fits)

Oh and by the way, how did my comment concerning drivers of landbarges have anything to do with John Kerry? Or are you in the habit of going off on freak tangents for no explicable reason?

(somehow I think that's the problem here)

John Kerry has everything to do with it. You sit there and whine about people who drive SUVS, then you call them morons...then you argue that we are "make the situation worse by commuting to your job in your Lincoln Navigator." You fail, however, to every criticize John Kerry for that little hair cut SNAFU...you fail to criticize Gore for wasting 65K gallons to tell us that burning 65K gallons is not good for the environment.

Again, do the math...one trip to fly the hairdresser to the campaign trail to trim some sideburns equals how many trips to work in my moronic SUV?

Using your criterion for moronic behavior, let's assume that JoeSUV drives 50 miles a day, each way:

50 x 2= 100 miles/day

Let's further assume he works 5 days a week:

5 x 100 = 500 miles a week

Let's also assume that he works all 52 weeks of the year and doesn't take any time off:

52 x 500 (miles per week) = 26,000 miles per year?

Okay, my explorer gets 14mpg on the low side...20 on the high side, but closer to the low side given traffic and stop-and-go. Let's use the lower band of my confidence interval:

26,000 miles / 14mpg = ~ 1857 gallons of gas a year.

Okay, let's also look at Mr. Gore's trip:

He consumed, say, 65K gallons to fly around the world and tell people that using 65K gallons of gas is baahhhhhhhd.

65,000 / 1857 = 35'ish, for the sake of brevity?

So, if I, being the moron that I am for driving my SUV (the truck of my choosing) to work 50 miles a day each way, continue my patterns of consumption, is it not safe to assume that I will consume as much gas as Al Gore or John Kerry used for each of their, to quote Red, Excellent Adventurers in approximately 35 years?

Well, John it's like this. To whatever past Presidents did, add the increased fuel expenditure of the military in Iraq, and the war premium to the price of a barrel of oil.

Yeah, a lot of it is GWB and his wonderful world of war.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

It is a recurring theme on Air America 1350 here in New Orleans which I can't help but listen to and laugh at on a regular basis.

So anyways, I thought the liberal left was concerned about the environment and such. If this is true, then why are they complaining about higher gas prices?

The only way that people are going to begin to consume less fossil fuels is because gas is overly expensive. Why do you think people in Europe drive Mini Coopers while people in America drive H2's?

Gas in places in Europe is 3 and 4 dollars per liter and has been for years where as gas in America has always been under 2 dollars per gallon thus we can afford to drive gas guzzlers.

So why are you guys so angry that gas prices are rising? It seems like you'd want them to go up higher considering that is the only way to curb the high demand and high use of fossil fuels.

Think for a bit. They're complaining about the gas prices because its a way to attack Bush. Your side does that all the time. We're learning from the best.

If you look any deeper into it you can see a very good criticism of the war in Iraq.

Liberals disagree with it to begin with, we went in anyways. Now Iraq has huge oil reserves. If the neo-cons did half their job right at least we'd being getting oil after the slaughter. But instead the prices are going up and the US is taking a hardass stance with Iran and Venezuela, two leading producers of oil.

 

[Deudalus]

Think for a bit. They're complaining about the gas prices because its a way to attack Bush. Your side does that all the time. We're learning from the best.

If you look any deeper into it you can see a very good criticism of the war in Iraq.

I just wanted to know if someone would admit it.

Starting at "I hate Bush" and working backwards is always a very smart way to do things.......

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Think for a bit. They're complaining about the gas prices because its a way to attack Bush. Your side does that all the time. We're learning from the best.

If you look any deeper into it you can see a very good criticism of the war in Iraq.

I just wanted to know if someone would admit it.

Starting at "I hate Bush" and working backwards is always a very smart way to do things.......

Would you prefer them to be nice? Thats not how politics works these days.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

It is a recurring theme on Air America 1350 here in New Orleans which I can't help but listen to and laugh at on a regular basis.

So anyways, I thought the liberal left was concerned about the environment and such. If this is true, then why are they complaining about higher gas prices?

The only way that people are going to begin to consume less fossil fuels is because gas is overly expensive. Why do you think people in Europe drive Mini Coopers while people in America drive H2's?

Gas in places in Europe is 3 and 4 dollars per liter and has been for years where as gas in America has always been under 2 dollars per gallon thus we can afford to drive gas guzzlers.

So why are you guys so angry that gas prices are rising? It seems like you'd want them to go up higher considering that is the only way to curb the high demand and high use of fossil fuels.

I had no idea about Air America on 1350. Thanks for the PSA. :thumbsup:

Hello, the left is not complaining about Gas prices.

If you would look tad harder you would see the left saying Gas should've been at least $6 gallon a long time ago.

Now it should $9 a gallon.

Yes, that would go a long way in getting SUV's off the road.

The rich would stand out a heck of a lot more than they do now even.

It would certainly put a stop to the wannabe rich.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
Possibly because Kerry drives and is often driven around in a land barge and he complains about gas prices?

Last I checked neither Kerry or Clinton is President.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Tab
I am not angry, I don't own a car! Whoohoo!

Short sighted! The public transportation you use does use fuel, the truck that delivers your food to market uses fuel, the tractor the farmer uses to cultivate that field that your food grows, grazes, or feeds in uses fuel. The limo that your political favorite suffers with the rest of us in uses fuel. The generators that provide power to the servers that compromise this system use fuel as does the ones that power the switches that propagate these signals. Cheer now before you think this issue through completely. You may not feel so cheerful once you finish.

Solutions go much more deeply than simply better gas mileage. More rail and ship transportation, fewer plastic moldings in the stuff we all use daily, more wood and other renewal materials in things that we produce. Petroleum products are deeply ingrained into everything we see and touch every day.

Without writing a book, these are some of the issues that aren't so obvious..

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Train
once there was a thread celebrating dropping oil prices (it was a long time ago) the liberals all attacked it, saying gas should be $6 a gallon, to fund research for alternative energy sources, save the environment, etc, etc.

Then within just a few weeks the exact opposite occured, and the same liberals attacked that thread also. Me and a few other posters on here dug up quotes and owned quite a few of them, it was pretty funny.

Yeah liberals are like snakes in a bag, striking at anything!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

I don't really complain about it -- in fact, I laugh it off w/ my 30+ MPG vehicles. The only idiots complaining are the ones short-sighted enough to buy huge gas-guzzling roadbarges and then grind them up and down the freeway 50+ miles each way to work. Morons.

Or those of us that have families and need minivans to be able to fit everyone in one vehicle. We sure are morons. :roll:

I still complain because it is partly Bush's fault. He could have released some of the reserves to level off the need to import and refilled when prices dropped some. Did he do that? No. He continues to let OPEC dictate how much oil will be produced while those of us that live in hick states where there is no public transportation have no alternative but to drive our vehicles or be out of a job.

As for the original OP question, I don't want them to go up but I do want to develop renewable energy sources and affordable modes of transportation to utilize those sources. Instead of subsidizing oil companies with taxbreaks during times of record profits, we should take the money that would have been allocated to them and actually fund research instead.

Like this hasn't been going on for the last 30 years. Grow up, this is not an issue controlled by any individual. Outsourcing manufacturing China allowed them to start buying cars and driving and that forces them to compete for petro-products much more aggressively than before and allows them the financial resources to do so. As much as you liberals would love to blame every discomfort on Bush, this issue has been very much alive and in the public domain since the gas shortage of the 1970's! So, a President releases the reserves today. What does he/she do tomorrow? This isn't a glitch, but a global problem. If you want to do something, start growing and killing dinosaurs for the future. At least it will keep you busy!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BushBasha

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Quite true, but why make the situation worse by commuting to your job in your Lincoln Navigator?

..or flying hair stylists 8 states away to trim your sideburns. That little SNAFU used more gas than both of my Explorers in a year (perhaps longer; you do the math). NO HAIR FOR OIL!

[edit] My Explorers...not the half dozen Kerry's wife owns.

Excellent post! The libs will never understand it, though!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Or those of us that have families and need minivans to be able to fit everyone in one vehicle. We sure are morons. :roll:

Okay, you're right, "morons" was a little strong. And yet I don't have much sympathy for anyone who owns a gas-guzzler and manages to b!tch about high gas prices. It's not like you couldn't see this coming . . .

Plus, minivans are generally more fuel-efficient than large SUVs and pick-ups.

I drive a gas guzzler and I'm not complaining about the price of gas.

It just struck me as odd last night and I decided to post about it.

Was on the way home yesterday and turned on Air America radio and Randi Rhodes was on and within 30 seconds she complained about Bush being horrible towards the environment and then she also blamed him for high gas prices.

It just seems like a conflict of interest to me. Higher gas prices will lead to a healthier environment. When gas gets too high people won't buy a big SUV and they will use less gas which means less pollution.

I simply don't get it.

And you never will. It was a lib speaking, after all. You gotta be one to understand one! Sort of like if everyone had poor vision, the standard would be to read the big top line.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
Possibly because Kerry drives and is often driven around in a land barge and he complains about gas prices?

Well, then that ... you guessed it! ... makes him a moron too. Happy? But again, I must reiterate that one politician's driving habits does not equal the hundreds of millions of U.S. drivers and their collective gas consumption. If you were going to make a difference, it would involve them, not Kerry.

 

[randym431]

Answer to the poster:

We don?t trust Bush. Period!

Clinton had high gas prices, and did something about it, freeing up some reserves.
Bush, on the other hand, skips hand in hand with those that control and sell us oil.
I think its VERY strange Bush had that meeting a few months ago, holding hands and all, then, a few weeks/months pass, and our gas is now higher than ever.

I also find it VERY hard to believe how "you" can trust this President, the same GW that has been caught in sooooo many lies. Lies that are causing so many American deaths. And for what???

Myself, I don?t care if gas reaches $10 a gal. I figure it will force some of those gas hogs, and joy riding teens off the road. I can go for that. Cut down traffic volume.

But a President that makes up WMD so he can start a war, something America has NEVER done before in history ("start" a war), has to have something going on right now, to try again to fool us into something. (Like drilling places we shouldn?t never be drilling)

The most evil and corrupt administration in our history. And America will be paying painfully for many long years, not to mention our kids and their kids, for his deceit.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

It is a recurring theme on Air America 1350 here in New Orleans which I can't help but listen to and laugh at on a regular basis.

So anyways, I thought the liberal left was concerned about the environment and such. If this is true, then why are they complaining about higher gas prices?

The only way that people are going to begin to consume less fossil fuels is because gas is overly expensive. Why do you think people in Europe drive Mini Coopers while people in America drive H2's?

Gas in places in Europe is 3 and 4 dollars per liter and has been for years where as gas in America has always been under 2 dollars per gallon thus we can afford to drive gas guzzlers.

So why are you guys so angry that gas prices are rising? It seems like you'd want them to go up higher considering that is the only way to curb the high demand and high use of fossil fuels.

You have my approval to ask Republicans why they are angry about the same thing.