This has me baffled

[Deudalus]

I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

It is a recurring theme on Air America 1350 here in New Orleans which I can't help but listen to and laugh at on a regular basis.

So anyways, I thought the liberal left was concerned about the environment and such. If this is true, then why are they complaining about higher gas prices?

The only way that people are going to begin to consume less fossil fuels is because gas is overly expensive. Why do you think people in Europe drive Mini Coopers while people in America drive H2's?

Gas in places in Europe is 3 and 4 dollars per liter and has been for years where as gas in America has always been under 2 dollars per gallon thus we can afford to drive gas guzzlers.

So why are you guys so angry that gas prices are rising? It seems like you'd want them to go up higher considering that is the only way to curb the high demand and high use of fossil fuels.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

It is a recurring theme on Air America 1350 here in New Orleans which I can't help but listen to and laugh at on a regular basis.

So anyways, I thought the liberal left was concerned about the environment and such. If this is true, then why are they complaining about higher gas prices?

The only way that people are going to begin to consume less fossil fuels is because gas is overly expensive. Why do you think people in Europe drive Mini Coopers while people in America drive H2's?

Gas in places in Europe is 3 and 4 dollars per liter and has been for years where as gas in America has always been under 2 dollars per gallon thus we can afford to drive gas guzzlers.

So why are you guys so angry that gas prices are rising? It seems like you'd want them to go up higher considering that is the only way to curb the high demand and high use of fossil fuels.

Looking for logic in an extreme liberal's ranting is like looking for logic in.. well.. an extreme right-winger's ranting.

 

[Tab]

I am not angry, I don't own a car! Whoohoo!

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

I don't really complain about it -- in fact, I laugh it off w/ my 30+ MPG vehicles. The only idiots complaining are the ones short-sighted enough to buy huge gas-guzzling roadbarges and then grind them up and down the freeway 50+ miles each way to work. Morons.

 

[Train]

once there was a thread celebrating dropping oil prices (it was a long time ago) the liberals all attacked it, saying gas should be $6 a gallon, to fund research for alternative energy sources, save the environment, etc, etc.

Then within just a few weeks the exact opposite occured, and the same liberals attacked that thread also. Me and a few other posters on here dug up quotes and owned quite a few of them, it was pretty funny.

 

[azazyel]

I take the bus and I don't think I have been to the pumps in 2 months. As long as bus fairs stay the same I don't really care.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

I don't really complain about it -- in fact, I laugh it off w/ my 30+ MPG vehicles. The only idiots complaining are the ones short-sighted enough to buy huge gas-guzzling roadbarges and then grind them up and down the freeway 50+ miles each way to work. Morons.

Morons? How about the cost of heating fuel or the cost of trucking and shiping goods and produce? You might not spend a lot on your cars fuel but you will be spending more for groceries, heating and such as the cost will be passed on to the consumer.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

I don't really complain about it -- in fact, I laugh it off w/ my 30+ MPG vehicles. The only idiots complaining are the ones short-sighted enough to buy huge gas-guzzling roadbarges and then grind them up and down the freeway 50+ miles each way to work. Morons.

Morons? How about the cost of heating fuel or the cost of trucking and shiping goods and produce? You might not spend a lot on your cars fuel but you will be spending more for groceries, heating and such as the cost will be passed on to the consumer.

Quite true, but why make the situation worse by commuting to your job in your Lincoln Navigator?

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

I don't really complain about it -- in fact, I laugh it off w/ my 30+ MPG vehicles. The only idiots complaining are the ones short-sighted enough to buy huge gas-guzzling roadbarges and then grind them up and down the freeway 50+ miles each way to work. Morons.

Morons? How about the cost of heating fuel or the cost of trucking and shiping goods and produce? You might not spend a lot on your cars fuel but you will be spending more for groceries, heating and such as the cost will be passed on to the consumer.

Theres a HUGE difference in efficiency there. A Semi truck can move enough produce to feed 100 people for a month (guestimate). Sure it burns more gas than a car, but most of us drive alone to work. If you do the math, at least the semi is the conservative gas consumer, wheras the individual (of which there are MANY more on the road) is whats killing us in gas consumption.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

It is a recurring theme on Air America 1350 here in New Orleans which I can't help but listen to and laugh at on a regular basis.

So anyways, I thought the liberal left was concerned about the environment and such. If this is true, then why are they complaining about higher gas prices?

The only way that people are going to begin to consume less fossil fuels is because gas is overly expensive. Why do you think people in Europe drive Mini Coopers while people in America drive H2's?

Gas in places in Europe is 3 and 4 dollars per liter and has been for years where as gas in America has always been under 2 dollars per gallon thus we can afford to drive gas guzzlers.

So why are you guys so angry that gas prices are rising? It seems like you'd want them to go up higher considering that is the only way to curb the high demand and high use of fossil fuels.

WOW Pot meet kettle

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

I don't really complain about it -- in fact, I laugh it off w/ my 30+ MPG vehicles. The only idiots complaining are the ones short-sighted enough to buy huge gas-guzzling roadbarges and then grind them up and down the freeway 50+ miles each way to work. Morons.

Or those of us that have families and need minivans to be able to fit everyone in one vehicle. We sure are morons. :roll:

I still complain because it is partly Bush's fault. He could have released some of the reserves to level off the need to import and refilled when prices dropped some. Did he do that? No. He continues to let OPEC dictate how much oil will be produced while those of us that live in hick states where there is no public transportation have no alternative but to drive our vehicles or be out of a job.

As for the original OP question, I don't want them to go up but I do want to develop renewable energy sources and affordable modes of transportation to utilize those sources. Instead of subsidizing oil companies with taxbreaks during times of record profits, we should take the money that would have been allocated to them and actually fund research instead.

 

[PSUstoekl]

I don't think any of this is primarily Bush's fault, though it is refreshing to finally see people wake up and realise that oil is not a renewable resource and that unless we can find other ways to reach the same ends, maybe the means can be changed to something less expensive/wasteful/pollutant.

Research for alternative research would be nice, and if these gas prices stimulates such research than so be it.

It is very nasty to consider, however, how many rural communities that serve wide stretches of physical area (i.e. land) will be forced to consolidate classroom spending and truncate field trips in order to make way for buses to bring in kids who live 30+ miles away from their schools. I think this is more major an issue than commuters, as it affects students and their teachers more directly.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Or those of us that have families and need minivans to be able to fit everyone in one vehicle. We sure are morons. :roll:

Okay, you're right, "morons" was a little strong. And yet I don't have much sympathy for anyone who owns a gas-guzzler and manages to b!tch about high gas prices. It's not like you couldn't see this coming . . .

Plus, minivans are generally more fuel-efficient than large SUVs and pick-ups.

 

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

I don't really complain about it -- in fact, I laugh it off w/ my 30+ MPG vehicles. The only idiots complaining are the ones short-sighted enough to buy huge gas-guzzling roadbarges and then grind them up and down the freeway 50+ miles each way to work. Morons.

Rich. They are morons because they don't lead their lives (and buy the same things) like you and for exercising their freedom of choice. You are, after all, a proponent of choice, are you not? Yes, I know...any choice that you so choose.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think Bush is opening up huge new opportunities for the homeless, unemployed, and poor in the rickshaw business.

 

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Quite true, but why make the situation worse by commuting to your job in your Lincoln Navigator?

..or flying hair stylists 8 states away to trim your sideburns. That little SNAFU used more gas than both of my Explorers in a year (perhaps longer; you do the math). NO HAIR FOR OIL!

[edit] My Explorers...not the half dozen Kerry's wife owns.

 

[Infohawk]

The only way that people are going to begin to consume less fossil fuels is because gas is overly expensive.

Your whole argument seems to be based on this idea and it's not really true. Even if gas were $1.50 trucking companies would be interested in saving half of that if they could cut consumption by using some fuel-efficient design. For rational economic actors, there's cheaper and more expensive, not "overly expensive." If a business only worries about "overly expensive" you can be sure they will be undercut by someone looking to cut costs anywhere.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Or those of us that have families and need minivans to be able to fit everyone in one vehicle. We sure are morons. :roll:

Okay, you're right, "morons" was a little strong. And yet I don't have much sympathy for anyone who owns a gas-guzzler and manages to b!tch about high gas prices. It's not like you couldn't see this coming . . .

Plus, minivans are generally more fuel-efficient than large SUVs and pick-ups.

I drive a gas guzzler and I'm not complaining about the price of gas.

It just struck me as odd last night and I decided to post about it.

Was on the way home yesterday and turned on Air America radio and Randi Rhodes was on and within 30 seconds she complained about Bush being horrible towards the environment and then she also blamed him for high gas prices.

It just seems like a conflict of interest to me. Higher gas prices will lead to a healthier environment. When gas gets too high people won't buy a big SUV and they will use less gas which means less pollution.

I simply don't get it.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: BushBasha

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I hear alot of liberal lefties complain about the current price of gas and how its all Bush's fault.

I don't really complain about it -- in fact, I laugh it off w/ my 30+ MPG vehicles. The only idiots complaining are the ones short-sighted enough to buy huge gas-guzzling roadbarges and then grind them up and down the freeway 50+ miles each way to work. Morons.

Rich. They are morons because they don't lead their lives (and buy the same things) like you and for exercising their freedom of choice. You are, after all, a proponent of choice, are you not? Yes, I know...any choice that you so choose.

No, they are morons for driving a gus-guzzler on their 50+ mile commute to work and yet still manage to complain about the high cost of gas. Learn to read.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Looking for logic in an extreme liberal's ranting is like looking for logic in.. well.. an extreme right-winger's ranting.

LOL. What's really funny was how (when gas prices were starting to rise but still somewhat low relative to today's prices) McOwen and all the other leftists used to post about how they wanted gas prices to go to $10 bucks a gallon or more. Everyone search, it's there.

It's all part of the extremists' logic though. A != A and so forth. With nothing to bitch about, I'm sure they'd explode.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: BushBasha

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Quite true, but why make the situation worse by commuting to your job in your Lincoln Navigator?

..or flying hair stylists 8 states away to trim your sideburns. That little SNAFU used more gas than both of my Explorers in a year (perhaps longer; you do the math). NO HAIR FOR OIL!

[edit] My Explorers...not the half dozen Kerry's wife owns.

Whatever you say, genius.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
Gas in places in Europe is 3 and 4 dollars per liter and has been for years where as gas in America has always been under 2 dollars per gallon thus we can afford to drive gas guzzlers.

Point of clarification, in Europe car insurance is paid at the pump (ie included in the price of petrol). FAR different situation. When i moved to Philly my insurance nearly tripled even though i only drove about 100 miles/month. The back of the envelope tells me that im paying $42/gallon in Europe or $11/litre! :Q

 

[Deudalus]

Your whole argument seems to be based on this idea and it's not really true. Even if gas were $1.50 trucking companies would be interested in saving half of that if they could cut consumption by using some fuel-efficient design. For rational economic actors, there's cheaper and more expensive, not "overly expensive." If a business only worries about "overly expensive" you can be sure they will be undercut by someone looking to cut costs anywhere.

As someone else already pointed out, it isn't trucking companies that are a problem.

Let me explain. The causeway bridge here connects New Orleans to the North Shore and is the longest bridge over water in the world (as recognized by Guiness Book of World Records).

Over 30,000 vehicles cross that bridge every single day. I've driven that bridge so many times its silly, and I can assure you that the majority of the vehicles on that bridge are not truckers. The majority is individual people driving 45 minutes everyday, one-way from Covington or Mandeville to New Orleans to go to work.

Now, if gas hits 5 dollars per gallon I will see alot less of those people driving Yukons, Expeditions, and Suburbans. I will see alot of those people driving Honda Civics, Toyota Corollas, or Nissan Sentras.

 

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: BushBasha

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Quite true, but why make the situation worse by commuting to your job in your Lincoln Navigator?

..or flying hair stylists 8 states away to trim your sideburns. That little SNAFU used more gas than both of my Explorers in a year (perhaps longer; you do the math). NO HAIR FOR OIL!

[edit] My Explorers...not the half dozen Kerry's wife owns.

Whatever you say, genius.

Translation: I see your point; perhaps I should be as critical of Kerry as I am the rest of the "morons."


...getting some milage with this one today:

GLOBAL WARMING ALERT: GORE BURNS 439,500 LBS OF FUEL TO ATTEND SUMMIT

...calculated that Vice President Al Gore is burning more than 439,500 pounds
of fuel, or 65,600 gallons, at a cost of more than $131,000 on his 16,000
mile daytrip, just to deliver the warning.


I'll let you work through the basic assumptions and do the math. My brain hurts from reading all the hypocrisy.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Deudalus
Gas in places in Europe is 3 and 4 dollars per liter and has been for years where as gas in America has always been under 2 dollars per gallon thus we can afford to drive gas guzzlers.

Point of clarification, in Europe car insurance is paid at the pump (ie included in the price of petrol). FAR different situation. When i moved to Philly my insurance nearly tripled even though i only drove about 100 miles/month. The back of the envelope tells me that im paying $42/gallon in Europe or $11/litre! :Q

Interesting, I didn't know that.