I am surprised they are allowed to be on private property protesting. Even if on the street R.O.W. in front of residential or aggricultural property for prolonged periods of time.
TastesLikeChicken
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I remember certain people in this forum complaining when the Bush campaign came to their town because it disrupted their lives for a whole half day. I wonder how many of those who were so angry at the disruption then have sympathy now for this guy's life being disrupted for days because of the actions of these fruit loops?
umbrella39
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Got milk for those fruit loops? War protesters are now fruit loops, got it. What are war mongers then? Cheerios?
shooting guns for no reason into the air is REALLY smart. I don't care if he's annoyed - he's not accomplishing anything but showing himself to be irresponsible with firearms.
TastesLikeChicken
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Saddam was taken out because he did this.
We should send a Battalion in to take over this guy's ranch.
It's not their road either.
At times, the protesters, their numbers swollen by crowds of reporters, have blocked the road
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The article did state that the guy actually sympathized with the protesters but became frustrated with them for the exact reason you quoted. It's one thing to read about it or discuss it in pointless forums such as this but it's different when it has a negative effect on your daily life.
And idiotic is so very liberal. Where is the confusion? They totally missed the "across the bow" part.
He was on HIS PROPERTY where he can do anything he wants. If they don't like the noise, they can move on.
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What's so "Liberal" about it and how does shooting a shotgun in the air on your own property qualify as a warning shot across the bow? It's no different that blowing off a large Firecracker on your property. It wasn't a warning because he wasn't threatening them with violence if they didn't move. It was just a simple expression of frustration.
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There's nothing wrong with this i guess...but the first thing that came to mind was: shooting a gun in a public place is pretty damn hick...:laugh:
The question I have is, why conservatives support any type of noise coming from any property (ie. this guy and his gun, church bells), yet condemn the call to prayer by muslims in the United States. Can someone explain this?
The question I have is, why conservatives support any type of noise coming from any property (ie. this guy and his gun, church bells), yet condemn the call to prayer by muslims in the United States. Can someone explain this?
Whatever his intention I think the message he sent is loud and clear. "You ain't welcome 'round these here parts no more. Now git'!"
And I gotta say, I can sympathize with the guys frustration. What makes this woman think that she's so friggin special? Why is she any different than any of the other mothers who have lost sons in Iraq? It's time for her to pick up her life, swallow her ego, and move on with her life. She should seek professional help if she's having that much trouble coping.
I'm sure if the rancher was stupid enough to have had the gun pointed any direction close to the crowd that he would be in custody right now. He went into his field, on his property, and discharged his firearm in a safe manner. Dove season is coming up and he wanted to make sure his shotgun was working properly. Not exactly news worthy except the press was there and it makes a good story. "Shot's fired in Crawford!!"
It like someone burning the flag for attention. It irritates others, but burning is the prescribed way to destroy a flag. If the press isn't there, then no one knows and no one cares.
First, the rancher was NOT part of the protesters who were very peaceable. They didn't even use the word fvck as a noun, adjective, verb, preposition, or even an adverb.
Second, what the home owner did was rather stupid.
===== Myth Busting =====
Luckily, the weight of a bullet traveling at terminal velocity doesn't do much damage.
Most bullets have a muzzle velocity between 750 and 900 meters per second. If it is a bullet used for home protection it is much slower but it could be higher. At that speed it can obviusly do serious damage. Terminal velocity of a bullet is between 40 and 70 meters per second and may not even reach terminal velocity. 40 meters per second is slower than the speed a ball is thrown by a major league pitcher.
A speed of between 45 and 60 meters per second is required to break the skin.
Now, the force of the falling bullet (if i remember this correctly) is based on mass * speed^2. The speed of a falling bullet is between 0.25% and .75% of the muzzle velocity.
The mass of a hard ball is significantly greater than a bullet.
Plus, the bullet actually has to hit someone or something to do damage and even 1 smog congested cities has more open space than space occupied by a human.
However, a falling bullet can harm so guns should never be fired into the air.
Also, they just said fired a gun... which could have been a shotgun. If it was a shotgun the weight of the pellet which will not reach terminal velocity can not harm you. Well, if you were looking straight up and it hit the eye I'm not sure if it would do permanent harm...
No, this does not excuse the rancher. It was included simply to bust a myth.
edited to add... I just read that the above calculations indicate a speed of the descending bullet which is much too high. Apparently the bullet will eventually come down base first slowing it up considerably. Plus, since the bullet will begin to tumble it will begin falling before it has time to reach terminal velocity even if it came down with no friction. Plus, it will start it's descent tumbling which slows it even more.
Thus, the worst case speed for the typical gun is under 40 meters per second. The 40 meters was under ideal conditions for the average gun and the 60 meters was for a higher powered gun and also under ideal conditions.
cKGunslinger
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Maybe, but shooting your gun on your own personal property - especially in a field on your own ranch in Texas - is pretty damn common (hick or not.)
"Conservatives" in rural Texas != "conservatives in urban Maine, or where ever that whole issue took place. I seriously doubt political affiliation trumps upbringing and social climate. Unless you think the *same* people who complain about this call to prayer would also be forgiving of random shotgun blasts in the town square?
Here is what happens with "warning shots"
He was annoyed by the noise outside his window.
8-15-2005 Decorated U.S. Marine opens fire outside Mass. nightclub wounding 15 yr old girl & 20 yr man
Daniel B. Cotnoir will be arraigned on Monday on charges of assault and battery with a deadly weapon and assault with intent to murder after the incident early on Saturday in the city of Lawrence, The Boston Globe said.
Cotnoir had complained to police after a crowd of nearly 30 people gathered outside a nightclub and restaurant near his apartment. After someone hurled a bottle that shattered his bedroom window, Cotnoir fired "a warning shot," the newspaper said.
"He shot into what he thought was a safe area, but there was some ricochet effects that Mr. Cotnoir never intended," his lawyer, Robert F. Kelley, was quoted as saying.
"It was a military-type response to a threatening situation that was civilian in nature."
Cotnoir, a sergeant awarded the 2005 Marine of the Year by the Marine Corps Times, has been struggling psychologically since returning from Iraq in 2004, Kelley said.
He was annoyed by the noise outside his window.
8-15-2005 Decorated U.S. Marine opens fire outside Mass. nightclub wounding 15 yr old girl & 20 yr man
Daniel B. Cotnoir will be arraigned on Monday on charges of assault and battery with a deadly weapon and assault with intent to murder after the incident early on Saturday in the city of Lawrence, The Boston Globe said.
Cotnoir had complained to police after a crowd of nearly 30 people gathered outside a nightclub and restaurant near his apartment. After someone hurled a bottle that shattered his bedroom window, Cotnoir fired "a warning shot," the newspaper said.
"He shot into what he thought was a safe area, but there was some ricochet effects that Mr. Cotnoir never intended," his lawyer, Robert F. Kelley, was quoted as saying.
"It was a military-type response to a threatening situation that was civilian in nature."
Cotnoir, a sergeant awarded the 2005 Marine of the Year by the Marine Corps Times, has been struggling psychologically since returning from Iraq in 2004, Kelley said.
Republicans think that everyone should be Christian and other religions or lack of religion scares and offends them. Praaaaaaaise Jesus!
I can tell you if I had thousands of wankers sitting outside of my house i'd be frustrated too. Go home.
When is her book signing and movie release? IIt's nice to see her use her dead son as a means to further her political agenda. :roll: Bush HAS met with her, as has she met with Mr. Mike Moore and the rest of the moveontocanada.org clowns.
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