This guy is tough....

TNM93

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Shotgun blasts startle anti-war protesters

Monday, August 15, 2005; Posted: 1:35 a.m. EDT (05:35 GMT)

CRAWFORD, Texas (CNN) -- Anti-war protesters outside President Bush's ranch here were startled Sunday by gunshots fired by a Texas rancher frustrated by the group's presence.

"Well, I'm getting ready for dove season," Larry Mattlage, 62, told reporters of the shots fired around 10 a.m. (noon EDT). Asked if there was an underlying message to the shots, which he fired harmlessly into the air, Mattlage told a reporter, "Figure it out for yourself."

The protesters are led by Cindy Sheehan, a California woman whose son was killed in Iraq, and who has vowed to remain outside of Bush's ranch until the president meets with her. She and other anti-war protesters set up a makeshift camp in Crawford more than a week ago.

"Would you want someone invading your house for a long time and blocking your view and blocking your road?" asked Mattlage, a six-year resident of Crawford who said he had originally been sympathetic to the protesters' cause.

"They as American citizens have a right to march, to protest."

But throngs of anti-war protesters have parked on his land and set up portable bathrooms on the rural road that runs by his property. At times, the protesters, their numbers swollen by crowds of reporters, have blocked the road, he said.

"I just want them to pack the damn tents and go where they came from," Mattlage said. "They made their point and everybody understands it."

McLennan County Sheriff Larry Lynch said Mattlage had broken no laws.

"He's on his property, so he's fine," he said. "Everybody needs to use restraint in this situation ... This is a situation that has taken all these folks by storm."

Sheehan said protesters have been "good neighbors" to the people living near Bush's ranch.

"If the neighbor is tired of having us here, he should talk to his other neighbor, George Bush, and ask George Bush to come out and meet with me, and then we'll leave," she said.
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Reminds me of this guy....here
Shooting a gun as some sort of warning to antiwar protesters because they block a road is ridiculous. Does he really think they will just leave if he fires shots?
 
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All I have to say is... Who gives a fvck? Buncha whiny people who, among other things, don't apparently understand what it means to excercise your use of personal property.
 

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Firing a gun in the air as a means of warning people, who BTW, aren't bothering him at all, is linked to protecting private property? They are merely, "blocking his view" and "road", as if the road is his. He has only been there 6 years and chose to live next to Bush, so he can whine all he wishes. If you don't care, why respond?
 
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What exactly was he warning them about? Warning shots mean the real thing is coming. Are you trying to tell me he intended shoot into the crowd later? He was fvcking them them pure and simple. Nothing more.
 

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Why else would you fire a gun into the air? The article says, "Asked if there was an underlying message to the shots, which he fired harmlessly into the air, Mattlage told a reporter, "Figure it out for yourself." Hmm, figure it out yourself? Warning shots don't necessarily mean the real thing is coming, that's why they are called WARNING shots. :p
 
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If the real thing isn't coming then what are you warning against? Nothing.

He was fvcking with them. Plain and simple.
 

TNM93

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
If the real thing isn't coming then what are you warning against? Nothing.

Disagree. You can warn someone without the real thing coming. I mean, the guy could be wary of going to prison, etc.

He was fvcking with them. Plain and simple.

Agree :thumbsup: Probably a combo of warning/fvcking with them.
 
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Originally posted by: ysperalda
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
If the real thing isn't coming then what are you warning against? Nothing.

Disagree. You can warn someone without the real thing coming. I mean, the guy could be wary of going to prison, etc.

He was fvcking with them. Plain and simple.

Agree :thumbsup: Probably a combo of warning/fvcking with them.

You obviously don't understand the purpose of a warning shot. To call what he did a "warning shot" is idiotic.
 

TNM93

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: ysperalda
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
If the real thing isn't coming then what are you warning against? Nothing.

Disagree. You can warn someone without the real thing coming. I mean, the guy could be wary of going to prison, etc.

He was fvcking with them. Plain and simple.

Agree :thumbsup: Probably a combo of warning/fvcking with them.

You obviously don't understand the purpose of a warning shot. To call what he did a "warning shot" is idiotic.


Yeah, people just go out and fire in the air to say hello....k. You think the people took it as, "Oh, look at that nice man firing his gun". No, they took it as a warning, a scare tactic, whatever you want to call it, but I'm sure as hell they didn't take it as "Oh, he's just fvcking with us". And to think that when he fired the gun his motives were merely to "fvck with them" after he implied they were for something else is idiotic.
 
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LMAO... Scare tactic, yes. Fvcking with them, yes. Warning them? No. Get your vocabulary in order and learn what "warning" means.
 

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lol, fvcking with them would imply that hearing gunshots is meant as some sort of light thing that people just shrug off and are aware of. I seriously doubt shooting in the air around people you don't know is meant as "just fvcking with them". Get my vocabulary in order? LMAO, I'm not the one who thinks firing in the air is meant as "fvcking with others" in a sort of game. When a bank robber or any other person shoots a gun in the air, what reaction do people usually have? Do they laugh it off as if they are "just fvcking with them". No, they take it as a warning and either cooperate or try to protect themselves. He would know this and therefore use it for such a reaction. To imply that he wouldn't know this is ridiculous. Respond if you wish and argue your point all day, but it's meaningless to me, k.
 
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So are you arguing about how people interpreted his actions or what he intended his actions to be interpreted as? You can't help how another person will interpret your actions. Flipping someone off in traffic could be considered a threat by the flippee...

Warning: An alert to an immenent or potential danger.

There was no danger posed by this guy. He wasn't threatening anyone. He just knew that if he fired off a few shots he'd freak out some people he was tired of looking at. he was fvcking with them. End of story.

 

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How are you interpreting that he was merely "fvcking with them". That would imply that whenever someone fires a gun in the air around people, the intent of the person is always merely to "fvck with them". However, probably 100% of reactions to such acts are taken seriously. If someone fires a gun in the air that you do not know, do you take it as "oh, they are merely fvcking with me"? No, and they know this and that's why they do it. He knew people would react that way and that's what his intentions were. Social norms don't include shooting in the air as meaning "just fvcking" with you. End of story.

Flipping someone off and shooting a gun are worlds apart man.
 

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You know... those bullets have to land somewhere. And in some states (Arizona, for example), he'd be in a whole lot of trouble if they happen to hit someone when they do.

Just something to consider when "just [bleep]ing with" people.

cumhail
 

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Originally posted by: cumhail
You know... those bullets have to land somewhere. And in some states (Arizona, for example), he'd be in a whole lot of trouble if they happened to hit someone when they do.

(whispers) 'cept when they hit leftists--they hate America (/whispers)

 

Kremlar

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Good for him. I sympathized with Cindy Sheehan at first, but she has become quite the attention whore.
 

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Originally posted by: Kremlar
Good for him. I sympathized with Cindy Sheehan at first, but she has become quite the attention whore.

Yeah, she definetely has a leftist agenda. Now she's calling for Israel to pull out of occupied territories.
 

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Originally posted by: cumhail
You know... those bullets have to land somewhere. And in some states (Arizona, for example), he'd be in a whole lot of trouble if they happened to hit someone when they do.

Just something to consider when "just [bleep]ing with" people.

cumhail

Dove/Quail shot is smaller than BB's, and do not hurt if the fall on you. Happens all the time in a dove field shoot. Also, at about 1,000-feet or so, a direct shot won't penetrate skin and pattern is pretty large.
They are designed to down a small bird, and does not always kill it, you have to go fetch it and wring its neck.
 

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
All I have to say is... Who gives a fvck? Buncha whiny people who, among other things, don't apparently understand what it means to excercise your use of personal property.

Maybe they should claim eminent domain.
 

Red Dawn

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The guy's just frustrated with all the hoopla that's disrupting his and his other neighbors lives.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The guy's just frustrated with all the hoopla that's disrupting his and his other neighbors lives.

I agree. Bush should allow them back on to his property to do their protesting to spare his neighbors. Better yet, Bush should go back to DC and they can follow him there and protest our in front of the White House.
 

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Yeah, that's real brave. Firing birdshot into the air to scare a bunch of women and then running away. TEXAS TOUGH.