This classmate I have is such a douche

Paktu

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Okay, let me give you a little background here. For my Organizational Communications class, part of the class involves breaking into large groups (~15 people) and working on an assigned project. Basically, we are a fictional consulting firm which has been hired by a fictional company called SSS. SSS is considering locating a distribution center in a fictional, generic rural Minnesota town called Springfield. They want us to make sure it is a good fit. Specifically, they are moving a lot of minority employees into a racially homogeneous area and one thing they want us to look into is race relations, since this town has had problems in the past.

So my classmate, Mark ("continuing education" student, so he's in his 40s or 50s) has suggested several times when we've met that we consider another town, since he is convinced Springfield is dysfunctional. He's brought this up in front of the group but no one really liked his idea. So, we've done all of our research on Springfield. Anyway, yesterday he sends out this email to the group:

(I left out the beginning since it's just rambling and isn't relevant to my story)

Does anybody see the value in Springfield being determined to be a bad place for SSS to move to? Springfield is basically the town from hell, this takes no work on our part to show, the scenario is made for us, all we have to do is report the facts as they are. It would show that we have produced something of value for SSS, and something that he would have no basis to argue about. We could then present the alternative, the research that has been done. What happened to the idea we were going to select a real town? It's allot easier to report reality than create one.

I don't want the group to get off track, and since this has been brought up before, here's how I reply:

Mark,
I see where you're coming from here. But I think we ought to stick with
Springfield. It's not a "town from hell" like in the Simpsons, we're
just using the name and characters. Otherwise, it's just a generic
rural Minnesota town. And given how much research and effort we've put
into Springfield, it would be kind of a waste to toss all that out and
start fresh with a new town (which probably will have many of the same
problems).

Regards,
(my name)

A few hours later, I receive the most bizarre response to a serious email I think I've ever seen:

We continue to make decisions by a couple people saying they don't like something, that worked fine when you were 10 years old and you didn't want to eat your vegetables. I believe everyone is legally an adult now. I really don't care what plan we follow as long as it succeeds, but the present one has not worked. "fluff" is what he called it, I can think of another word that starts with F to describe it. OK, you two you don't like my plan, so what are you going to do to rectify the present one we are following? If you cannot demonstrate a successful course of action then I propose we abandon it. I can demonstrate my plan will work, if you don't want to listen that is your choice, I'm not going to waste time and energy trying to convince people who refuse to listen, but to continue to follow your plan it is your responsibility to show it will work.

the argument that we have invested too much time to change direction is bullshit, in psychology that is called the sunk cost argument, throwing good money or time after bad is a bad idea that is destined to fail. Our present plan is not a bad idea? our client does not appear to me to be happy with it

basically you two are following the GW Bush argument, we've spent 100's of billions of dollars and lost over 3,000 lives trying to democratize Iraq, we've spent too much to walk away, let's spend 100's of billion dollars more and gawd only knows how many more lives, yeah, that's a great idea if it isn't your life or a friend or family members life, it also isn't his money, it's our money

OK, you guys still haven't shown how your plan will work and why the plan I propose won't, the onus is on you to do that. What is your plan? how will you salvage it? It's easy to say something will work and something else won't. prove it

the results thus far show otherwise


I'm nominating him for "Biggest Douche in the Universe"
 

mwmorph

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Welcome to life?

Also welcome to group dynamics. Without group support, he can talk all he wants but it wont do anything besides you having ot put up with his bitching.

Also, that can needs to use correct formatting for a email
 

jpeyton

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Dr. Detroit

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Why group work is so important. These groups teach you what real life in coproate America is all about.


 

D1gger

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He does make a good point. Your argument that you have spent too much time working on the current plan to change is like sending good money after bad. I don't know who has the right action plan, and nothing in the emails convinces me one way or the other.
 

wetcat007

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He seems.. nuts. It's organizational communications, just do the stupid project decently, you don't need to debate over something like that.
 

kami333

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Is anyone else in the group responding or have they sent you guys to play at the kid's table?
 

SludgeFactory

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What research did you do on a fictional town?

And the guy sounds like a dick. This is just stupid, tell him to grow up. If you were in a mood to placate him, I suppose you could just pick a real rural Minnesota town that's essentially the same as Springfield. Or rename Springfield. "Welcome to Dickville, MN, population 1"
 

Kadarin

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In the corporate arena, your next task in this case would be to solidify your position amongst the other group members, such that you become free to confidently tell this guy to take a hike and torpedo any ideas that he may have (valid or not).
 

wetcat007

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Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
What research did you do on a fictional town?

And the guy sounds like a dick. This is just stupid, tell him to grow up. If you were in a mood to placate him, I suppose you could just pick a real rural Minnesota town that's essentially the same as Springfield. Or rename Springfield. "Welcome to Dickville, MN, population 1"

It's not fictional, there is a Springfield, Minnesota
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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What is your group structure. Is everyone voting on everything? Committees can work but rarely in a timely fashion. I assume you have a deadline. Surely, putting a plan together is only part of the assignment? Is there a presentation and team member evaluation portion? There is not enough information on the assignment to determine whether you, he or, the assignment gets the douche bag award.

Remember, you don't have to like everyone to work with them.
 

SVT Cobra

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I read the whole thing, and seems like everyone needs to get together all at once and sort this out in person and not through email. FFS is the majority wants to continue with Springfield after the arguements for both sides are presented, then that's what you do and that immature guy cannot do anything about it. Also the evaluation of the project afterwards should include this and how you worked through it.

But, you really should be working on it instead of wasting time acting like him, posting on the internet about it to people who have no control over what happens.
 

Paktu

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Originally posted by: wetcat007
Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
What research did you do on a fictional town?

And the guy sounds like a dick. This is just stupid, tell him to grow up. If you were in a mood to placate him, I suppose you could just pick a real rural Minnesota town that's essentially the same as Springfield. Or rename Springfield. "Welcome to Dickville, MN, population 1"

It's not fictional, there is a Springfield, Minnesota

Yeah should have clarified. This is just a generic rural town (think Willmar or Albert Lea, if you know the area) but if we are talking about people in the town, we use names from the Simpsons- Mayor Quimby, Chief Wiggum, etc.
 

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Originally posted by: D1gger
He does make a good point. Your argument that you have spent too much time working on the current plan to change is like sending good money after bad. I don't know who has the right action plan, and nothing in the emails convinces me one way or the other.

I agree completely with the above.

However, unless there is a client you can speak with, you are just guessing anyhow. A real client would be receptive to your opinion and give you a reason why they are considering the city and if another city would make sense or if you are wasting time or not. However, ignoring Mark because he is older and/or you dislike his suggestion is a bullshit childish thing to do.
 

Paktu

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Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I read the whole thing, and seems like everyone needs to get together all at once and sort this out in person and not through email. FFS is the majority wants to continue with Springfield after the arguements for both sides are presented, then that's what you do and that immature guy cannot do anything about it. Also the evaluation of the project afterwards should include this and how you worked through it.

But, you really should be working on it instead of wasting time acting like him, posting on the internet about it to people who have no control over what happens.

Earlier today, I emailed the group leader asking if it would help if I apologized to the guy in class.
 

novasatori

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
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You didn't even describe the plans or project enough for us to decide who the douche is btw, for all I know it could be you guys pursuing a stupid idea or it could be him. Either way his e-mail was a bit harsh but I could see how he is agitated if you're just ignoring his idea, even if its better, because you have the other one mostly done.

cliffs: not enough info
 

mrjminer

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I think he's right.

If you guys can't progress toward a successful working plan using your current city, after x length of time, you get a different one. It's not a matter of "working hard to make it work," it's a matter of if it works at all.

You guys are simply screwing this poor bastard out of a valid claim based on your majority viewpoint. Get over it, Springfield is fvcked.
 

chuckywang

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Well, at least he knows what "sunk cost" means, even though he's applying it in a totally asinine way.