This classmate I have is such a douche

[Paktu]

Originally posted by: novasatori

Originally posted by: jpeyton
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You didn't even describe the plans or project enough for us to decide who the douche is btw, for all I know it could be you guys pursuing a stupid idea or it could be him. Either way his e-mail was a bit harsh but I could see how he is agitated if you're just ignoring his idea, even if its better, because you have the other one mostly done.

cliffs: not enough info

I could post the whole assignment, but it's like ten pages. If people are complaining about not wanting to read something as long as my post, well....

 

[91TTZ]

I think that guy makes a better point than you do.

He's stating that you guys should choose a different plan because the current plan won't work.

You're stating that you should stick with the current plan because you've already spend so much time on it.

At least his thinking is goal-oriented... yours seems to be "well, we took the wrong road a while back and we're going completely the wrong way, but since we've been on it for so long, we might as well just keep on going"

 

[Platypus]

Seriously, whatever the name of this class is doesn't matter, it's given you this learning experience which is it's only purpose. You will deal with people you cannot fvcking even stand to be in the same room with all the time as life goes on in lots of different situations. Take this as a learning experience and don't even bother trying to reason with someone who flies off the handle like that. It's hard to interpret body language through email but there's really nothing in your email that should have triggered such an emotionally unstable response.

People like this are back to school at 40 or 50 for a reason... and they have the power to fvck you in group projects. I suggest you work WITH him on something and not against him. I don't mean you should change your already researched idea, but you should make sure he also satisfies his needs. You can work together and get a good grade, or against each other and both get fvcked.

That's probably the most useful reply this thread will have.. life is NOT fair.. and even if you were completely in the right, that is irrelevant and you need to just let it go and get the job done. Your 'worth' in a lot of companies out there relies on your ability to take a train wreck situation and rectify it, one of the most useful things you will ever learn at any college is how to deal with people.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think that guy makes a better point than you do.

He's stating that you guys should choose a different plan because the current plan won't work.

You're stating that you should stick with the current plan because you've already spend so much time on it.

At least his thinking is goal-oriented... yours seems to be "well, we took the wrong road a while back and we're going completely the wrong way, but since we've been on it for so long, we might as well just keep on going"

The real decision comes down to deciding which is more advantageous:

1) The wrong path, but completely done.
2) The right path, and however much you of that path you can get done in your limited time.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think that guy makes a better point than you do.

He's stating that you guys should choose a different plan because the current plan won't work.

You're stating that you should stick with the current plan because you've already spend so much time on it.

At least his thinking is goal-oriented... yours seems to be "well, we took the wrong road a while back and we're going completely the wrong way, but since we've been on it for so long, we might as well just keep on going"

agreed. too bad, because this guy sounds like he can bring more to the table than the OP realizes.

 

[James Bond]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think that guy makes a better point than you do.

He's stating that you guys should choose a different plan because the current plan won't work.

You're stating that you should stick with the current plan because you've already spend so much time on it.

At least his thinking is goal-oriented... yours seems to be "well, we took the wrong road a while back and we're going completely the wrong way, but since we've been on it for so long, we might as well just keep on going"

agreed. too bad, because this guy sounds like he can bring more to the table than the OP realizes.

just what I was thinking--both posts.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: D1gger
He does make a good point. Your argument that you have spent too much time working on the current plan to change is like sending good money after bad. I don't know who has the right action plan, and nothing in the emails convinces me one way or the other.

strangely enough I too see that the man might have a point, minus the anti-bush rant-age (let's save that for Friday ) He sucks at getting it across though.

I would say that plausible doctrines to follow during such projects should not necessarily rely entirely on preventing the invalidation of prior investment.

ie...minus the blullsht...just because you spent a lot of time on a bad idea does not mean you are doomed to see it through to it's inevitable conclusion.

That is obviously quite a judgment call, but in the end, base your decision on both the demands of success and the price of pride.



edit: Damn that was some good BS Nothing like fresh squeezed.


Oh and due to the guys use of the word "onus" I would definitely lend him my ear.

 

[novasatori]

Originally posted by: Paktu

Originally posted by: novasatori

Originally posted by: jpeyton
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You didn't even describe the plans or project enough for us to decide who the douche is btw, for all I know it could be you guys pursuing a stupid idea or it could be him. Either way his e-mail was a bit harsh but I could see how he is agitated if you're just ignoring his idea, even if its better, because you have the other one mostly done.

cliffs: not enough info

I could post the whole assignment, but it's like ten pages. If people are complaining about not wanting to read something as long as my post, well....

Basically I think you should just sit back and think about it from his perspective - he has an idea, one which he thinks is good, and is getting snubbed.

I would be agitated and I'm sure you would too - I wouldn't necessarily classify him as a douche. Some people are very adamant about their ideas and want to see them implemented maybe you guys should just hear him out in entirety.

Part of group work is listening to everyone's ideas no matter how absurd - it may be a small waste of time but he may have a legitimate idea that could be better and in effect give you all a better grade. Which if he is a continuing education student I'm sure his main concern here is his grade, older people are fanatics when it comes to grades usually.

Just be a little more compromising and a little less bureaucratic is basically all I have to say

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Paktu

basically you two are following the GW Bush argument, we've spent 100's of billions of dollars and lost over 3,000 lives trying to democratize Iraq, we've spent too much to walk away, let's spend 100's of billion dollars more and gawd only knows how many more lives, yeah, that's a great idea if it isn't your life or a friend or family members life, it also isn't his money, it's our money

He has a point (in a dickish sort of way). Why are you moving a bunch of minorities to a racist town? How the hell does that help the client? In fact, i'm going to pull the Donald on you: *YOU'RE FIRED* <flicks hand at you>

 

[JulesMaximus]

Basically, we are a fictional consulting firm which has been hired by a fictional company called SSS. SSS is considering locating a distribution center in a fictional, generic rural Minnesota town called Springfield. They want us to make sure it is a good fit. Specifically, they are moving a lot of minority employees into a racially homogeneous area and one thing they want us to look into is race relations, since this town has had problems in the past.

So, your assignment is to advise the company you work for (company SSS) on the reasons they should or should not move to Springfield? Is that your assignment or is your assignment to find a suitable town for them to move to? Either way it looks like you will have to find out if Springfield is a suitable town and if it isn't then you might have to find another town for them to move to?

 

[Paktu]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Basically, we are a fictional consulting firm which has been hired by a fictional company called SSS. SSS is considering locating a distribution center in a fictional, generic rural Minnesota town called Springfield. They want us to make sure it is a good fit. Specifically, they are moving a lot of minority employees into a racially homogeneous area and one thing they want us to look into is race relations, since this town has had problems in the past.

So, your assignment is to advise the company you work for (company SSS) on the reasons they should or should not move to Springfield? Is that your assignment or is your assignment to find a suitable town for them to move to? Either way it looks like you will have to find out if Springfield is a suitable town and if it isn't then you might have to find another town for them to move to?

The assignment is basically to determine if Springfield is suitable, and if it's not, find another town that is. When we get statistics for it on crime, education, etc. we just look at various small towns in Minnesota and use those.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Have you actually thoguht about not using Springfield? You kjnow ... you did your research, your paper can say it 's a bad idea. Then find a new location and show why it's a better location.

Maybe springfield will provide you with tax incentives? Why not?

Anyways ..... now my serious response.

Consider the wookie defense as your response to the ranting fool. use it in response to his GW argument.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Paktu

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Basically, we are a fictional consulting firm which has been hired by a fictional company called SSS. SSS is considering locating a distribution center in a fictional, generic rural Minnesota town called Springfield. They want us to make sure it is a good fit. Specifically, they are moving a lot of minority employees into a racially homogeneous area and one thing they want us to look into is race relations, since this town has had problems in the past.

So, your assignment is to advise the company you work for (company SSS) on the reasons they should or should not move to Springfield? Is that your assignment or is your assignment to find a suitable town for them to move to? Either way it looks like you will have to find out if Springfield is a suitable town and if it isn't then you might have to find another town for them to move to?

The assignment is basically to determine if Springfield is suitable, and if it's not, find another town that is. When we get statistics for it on crime, education, etc. we just look at various small towns in Minnesota and use those.

So, what does the rest of your group think? Or do they just go along with the idiot who sent the e-mail? While I agree that his e-mail was pretty rude it doesn't mean he isn't right.

Is the town suitable? What's in the best interest of the company you are representing?

 

[SagaLore]

He is asking for a course of action. So give him one.

I suggest calling up all of your teammates besides him - and if they agree, call your teacher and tell them that you are removing this guy from your team. Explain that based on the scenario of the project, regardless of what town they would go with your company as a hired consultant would not be able to function with this type of employee.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: D1gger
He does make a good point. Your argument that you have spent too much time working on the current plan to change is like sending good money after bad. I don't know who has the right action plan, and nothing in the emails convinces me one way or the other.

agreed.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think that guy makes a better point than you do.

He's stating that you guys should choose a different plan because the current plan won't work.

You're stating that you should stick with the current plan because you've already spend so much time on it.

At least his thinking is goal-oriented... yours seems to be "well, we took the wrong road a while back and we're going completely the wrong way, but since we've been on it for so long, we might as well just keep on going"

which is exactly like george bush. which is another of this guy's points.

he may say it like an arsehole, but his points are valid, and yours are not.