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Third Hand smoke danger

Zebo

Elite Member
I've smelt this nasty brew on people and always thought it could be harmful but now it's proven.


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A New Cigarette Hazard: ?Third-Hand Smoke?

By RONI CARYN RABIN
Published: January 2, 2009

Parents who smoke often open a window or turn on a fan to clear the air for their children, but experts now have identified a related threat to children?s health that isn?t as easy to get rid of: third-hand smoke.

That?s the term being used to describe the invisible yet toxic brew of gases and particles clinging to smokers? hair and clothing, not to mention cushions and carpeting, that lingers long after second-hand smoke has cleared from a room. The residue includes heavy metals, carcinogens and even radioactive materials that young children can get on their hands and ingest, especially if they?re crawling or playing on the floor.

Doctors from MassGeneral Hospital for Children in Boston coined the term ?third-hand smoke? to describe these chemicals in a new study that focused on the risks they pose to infants and children. The study was published in this month?s issue of the journal Pediatrics.

?Everyone knows that second-hand smoke is bad, but they don?t know about this,? said Dr. Jonathan P. Winickoff, the lead author of the study and an assistant professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School.

?When their kids are out of the house, they might smoke. Or they smoke in the car. Or they strap the kid in the car seat in the back and crack the window and smoke, and they think it?s okay because the second-hand smoke isn?t getting to their kids,? Dr. Winickoff continued. ?We needed a term to describe these tobacco toxins that aren?t visible.?

Third-hand smoke is what one smells when a smoker gets in an elevator after going outside for a cigarette, he said, or in a hotel room where people were smoking. ?Your nose isn?t lying,? he said. ?The stuff is so toxic that your brain is telling you: ?Get away.??

The study reported on attitudes toward smoking in 1,500 households across the United States. It found that the vast majority of both smokers and nonsmokers were aware that second-hand smoke is harmful to children. Some 95 percent of nonsmokers and 84 percent of smokers agreed with the statement that ?inhaling smoke from a parent?s cigarette can harm the health of infants and children.?

But far fewer of those surveyed were aware of the risks of third-hand smoke. Since the term is so new, the researchers asked people if they agreed with the statement that ?breathing air in a room today where people smoked yesterday can harm the health of infants and children.? Only 65 percent of nonsmokers and 43 percent of smokers agreed with that statement, which researchers interpreted as acknowledgement of the risks of third-hand smoke.

The belief that second-hand smoke harms children?s health was not independently associated with strict smoking bans in homes and cars, the researchers found. On the other hand, the belief that third-hand smoke was harmful greatly increased the likelihood the respondent also would enforce a strict smoking ban at home, Dr. Winickoff said.

?That tells us we?re onto an important new health message here,? he said. ?What we heard in focus group after focus group was, ?I turn on the fan and the smoke disappears.? It made us realize how many people think about second-hand smoke ? they?re telling us they know it?s bad but they?ve figured out a way to do it.?

The data was collected in a national random-digit-dial telephone survey done between September and November 2005. The sample was weighted by race and gender, based on census information.

Dr. Philip Landrigan, a pediatrician who heads the Children?s Environmental Health Center at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, said the phrase third-hand smoke is a brand-new term that has implications for behavior.

?The central message here is that simply closing the kitchen door to take a smoke is not protecting the kids from the effects of that smoke,? he said. ?There are carcinogens in this third-hand smoke, and they are a cancer risk for anybody of any age who comes into contact with them.?

Among the substances in third-hand smoke are hydrogen cyanide, used in chemical weapons; butane, which is used in lighter fluid; toluene, found in paint thinners; arsenic; lead; carbon monoxide; and even polonium-210, the highly radioactive carcinogen that was used to murder former Russian spy Alexander V. Litvinenko in 2006. Eleven of the compounds are highly carcinogenic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01...arch/03smoke.html?_r=1
 
If you're not going to make smoking illegal, then posting something like this is pointless. I'd love to see Massachussetts make smoking illegal, then watch as the legislature is lynched by their enraged smoker constituents jonesing for a fix.
 
let the lawsuits begin!

On second thought...this only confirms what we've already known as a society for quite some time. It stinks. Literally. Other than that, we non-smokers can only complain that these people stink up the place. That being said, some people will smoke no matter what effect it has on anyone, including themselves. Nothing to see here...
 
I have a had time making anything illegal that doesn't directly harm a third party to a substantiative degree. This doesn't.

One also has choices, e.g. dont hang out around or work around smokers. One reason I hate bars and never go is smoke.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
One reason I hate bars and never go is smoke.

Then you should be happy to know you can't smoke in bars anymore. Unless you live in the south. But thats 3rd world level shit down there.
 
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
let the lawsuits begin!

On second thought...this only confirms what we've already known as a society for quite some time. It stinks. Literally. Other than that, we non-smokers can only complain that these people stink up the place. That being said, some people will smoke no matter what effect it has on anyone, including themselves. Nothing to see here...

So should we ban everything that harms people?
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: Zebo
One reason I hate bars and never go is smoke.

Then you should be happy to know you can't smoke in bars anymore. Unless you live in the south. But thats 3rd world level shit down there.

Not in my state and its not in south - Most states allow smoking in bars.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/previe...rhtml/mm5720a3.htm#tab

When I lived in Ca. I loved going to bars even back in 91' couldn't smoke.
 
That is a very interesting study! But I think this is the best part:

Originally posted by: Zebo
Some 95 percent of nonsmokers and 84 percent of smokers agreed with the statement that ?inhaling smoke from a parent?s cigarette can harm the health of infants and children.?

Only 65 percent of nonsmokers and 43 percent of smokers agreed with that statement, which researchers interpreted as acknowledgement of the risks of third-hand smoke.

When it comes to harm, the smokers have a much more likely chance of being in denial. 😛
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Then you should be happy to know you can't smoke in bars anymore. Unless you live in the south. But thats 3rd world level shit down there.

You've obviously never been to a 3rd world country. 😕
 
Originally posted by: ultra laser
Tobacco should be illegal for the same reason all the other drugs are.

Except alcohol, of course! You can't abuse tobacco. You can abuse alcohol. Oh, we tried that about a hundred years ago [criminalizing alcohol], it didn't work too well.
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Then you should be happy to know you can't smoke in bars anymore. Unless you live in the south. But thats 3rd world level shit down there.

You've obviously never been to a 3rd world country. 😕

Well, his profile says he lives in Washington, DC, so perhaps he knows what he's talking about. 😉
 
jesus, this is stupid.

How much government control do we need as a society to save ourselves?

How many people die from this third hand smoke bullshit vs. drunk driving vs. influenza vs. starvation?

This is just another example of anti-smokers trying to push an agenda....they want to completely obliterate smoking even inside ones private home and this is a way to try and do that.

Smoking is bad ok...we get it....now stfu and move along to something that has more relevance.

<-----non-smoker.

 
What's the answer?
illegalise tobacco sale?
ppl who start smoking have changes to the brain chemistry, and its perminant.
Its funny we got so much flora becoming extinct, and the plants that should be eliminated aren't- cannabis, tobacco and hopps.
One things for sure-and that should be the removal of political donations by vested interests. B.A.T, IMPERIAL TOBACCO AND PHILLIP MORRIS.
 
Originally posted by: Wheezer
jesus, this is stupid.

How much government control do we need as a society to save ourselves?

How many people die from this third hand smoke bullshit vs. drunk driving vs. influenza vs. starvation?

This is just another example of anti-smokers trying to push an agenda....they want to completely obliterate smoking even inside ones private home and this is a way to try and do that.

Smoking is bad ok...we get it....now stfu and move along to something that has more relevance.

<-----non-smoker.

I'm with ya Wheezer, I have even talked to people who are long time smokers who say that they are now embarrassed to smoke, so the propaganda war is working.

I thought I read somewhere that in MA they want smoking totally outlawed by 2020, personally I smoke maybe a cigarette or two a week if that so it won't bug me, but the thought that people are being denied something irks me, if they want to make the choice to smoke then they should have that option.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
I have a had time making anything illegal that doesn't directly harm a third party to a substantiative degree. This doesn't.

One also has choices, e.g. dont hang out around or work around smokers. One reason I hate bars and never go is smoke.

That's pretty much impossible. Shun any family/friends who smoke? What about neighbors? When I moved in I had non-smokers next door. The new neighbors smoke and while it's annoying when the windows open and I smell it coming through my place I have no right to complain. I guess I should move? Same goes for coworkers. I don't own my own business so it's not like I can choose them.

I rarely go anywhere that allows indoor smoking. I don't think I've been to a non smoke free bar this decade. I don't go to the Hard Rock in Tampa because it's too smoky there. We went on a cruise 2 months ago and 10 minutes in the casino on the ship was too much for my wife and me. We both agreed our next cruise will be a non smoking one. 😉

Anyway, unless I missed it I didn't see any concrete proof that this '3rd hand' exposure to smoke is a significant threat. Seems like more of an annoyance than a real health hazard.
 
Its too bad people arent as concerned about what their vehicles do, or what the effects of living in a 5000 ft^3 house or having a 50" plasma are.

Pick your cause and righteously fight, even if you look like a fucking fool doing it. RAWR!
 
Something important to note : none of those toxic chemicals would be there without the development (part of this was in 'The Insider') of the use of added chemicals to make cigarrettes more addictive.

Ban smoking? Nah. But we should ban the fuck out of added chemicals to cigs.
 
Originally posted by: gingermeggs
What's the answer?
illegalise tobacco sale?
ppl who start smoking have changes to the brain chemistry, and its perminant.
Its funny we got so much flora becoming extinct, and the plants that should be eliminated aren't- cannabis, tobacco and hopps.

Wait a moment, what could you possible have against hops? You hate a flower that is both flavorful and a natural preservative? I?ve never heard any negative effects being linked to hops.
 
Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
Originally posted by: gingermeggs
What's the answer?
illegalise tobacco sale?
ppl who start smoking have changes to the brain chemistry, and its perminant.
Its funny we got so much flora becoming extinct, and the plants that should be eliminated aren't- cannabis, tobacco and hopps.

Wait a moment, what could you possible have against hops? You hate a flower that is both flavorful and a natural preservative? I?ve never heard any negative effects being linked to hops.

Its also interesting to note he would ban all low grade recreational plants but not the stuff used in hardcore drugs.....Poppy? Coca?

I think it shows how much the poster really does (or does not) know about the issue.....
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
I have a had time making anything illegal that doesn't directly harm a third party to a substantiative degree. This doesn't.

One also has choices, e.g. dont hang out around or work around smokers. One reason I hate bars and never go is smoke.

Sorry, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who are willing to poison their body and mind with alcohol but are concerned about the effects of a little smoke.

Maybe we should just make fire illegal? Save the welders!! :laugh:
 
This is just what the doctor ordered for the state to regulate what you do within your own home. As it is obvious the benefits of using 2nd hand smoke to curtail private enterprise is running its course. Bring 3rd hand smoke out of the woodwork.
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: Zebo
One reason I hate bars and never go is smoke.

Then you should be happy to know you can't smoke in bars anymore. Unless you live in the south. But thats 3rd world level shit down there.

I want to... I really really want to. But I promised myself when the clock struck midnight 1/1/2009 that I would let the idiocy of others slide for at least a month.

 
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