Question Thinking of upgrading from R5 1600 to 12600k..

[Indus]

I've been thinking of upgrading my desktop since cpu and memory prices aren't stupid high like video cards. Motherboards are a bit pricy though.

I game at 1440p on a 144hz monitor with an EVGA GTX 1080 SC. Some PUBG, some star wars battlegrounds, some other shooters, some mmos.

How much of an fps upgrade would I see if I upgraded from the R5 1600 1st gen to a current 12600k?

Also can I get some recommendations of memory that might play nice with it since single rank/ dual rank just confuses the hell out of me so please point me in the right direction. I am thinking of going with 32gb.

Thanks.

 

[Geegeeoh]

How about keeping your MoBo and just get a newer Zen CPU that fits?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Here's a factory-overclocked 1080 with a 3700X running PUBG in different resolutions. This rig isn't hitting 144+ fps 1% minimum, so there's possible room for improvement, but at the same time I can't promise you that a 1080 SC will get you there with a faster CPU. And of course that's with "competitive" settings. In Ultra it does look like the dGPU is starting to bottleneck, but that's just guesswork on my part.

He has a newer video here:

Overall, I'm skeptical about whether a 12600k is going to make any difference over, say, a 5600x/5800x or even a 3700x/3800x in this particular title with that dGPU. In 1080p, yeah, I think the 12600k would stretch its legs a little and bring up those 1% lows. But in 1440p Ultra I think the video card will hold you back even on a cheaper Zen3. So it depends on what resolution you finally decide to run and with which quality settings.

 

[coercitiv]

You may want to check if you're GPU limited first. A quick look around YT for PUBG recordings showed GTX 2080 & R5 1600X seriously outperforming GTX 1080 & R5 1600X at 1080p Ultra. I know there's a difference between the 1600 and 1600X, and I know you're aiming to fully utilize that 144Hz refresh, but depending on your combo of resolution & visual settings the massive gain in performance of the 12600K may or may not be felt the same way.

Personally I would expect you to see a big jump in terms of 1% lows, but given the nature of the games you're playng and the current GPU, I wouldn't bet on a big jump in average FPS from a CPU upgrade.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Personally I would expect you to see a big jump in terms of 1% lows, but given the nature of the games you're playng and the current GPU, I wouldn't bet on a big jump in average FPS from a CPU upgrade.

Looks like in 1440p he is not going to sustain 144 fps unless he turns down the settings.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

I really wouldn't call that an "upgrade"... not if you need to change the entire PC architecture for it. If your motherboard can handle the 5xxx series Ryzen, why not get one of those? Even a higher 3xxx would probably fit the bill, if you can find it at a reasonable price.

They would still cost less than a current Intel CPU/mobo pairing... And don't forget you're going to have to also change your cooler to something that works with LGA1700.

 

[Indus]

Looks like in 1440p he is not going to sustain 144 fps unless he turns down the settings.

Currently pubg is like 85 fps most of the time.. 144 sounds great.

Also I'm not exactly happy with my motherboard. Asrock has a weird default setting where the motherboard undervolts the SOC and that leads to reboots.

That is really annoying me more than money burning a hole in my pocket.

Also my motherboard isn't compatible with 5000+ series and 3600 is the best available for it. That said I only have 2400 memory.

So if I'm buying a new CPU and memory to optimize the new CPU anyways.. it sure makes a lot more sense to get a new motherboard and not have the random reboot problems.

Thoughts?

 

[Shmee]

Hmm, if your motherboard is having issues, that could be a fair reason to upgrade I suppose. Though normally I would agree with above posters, that a drop in CPU upgrade makes sense, and the GPU would probably help the most. What motherboard are you using? There may be a recent update that supports Vermeer, an update on the way, or even a modded/unofficial BIOS that could support it now.

Still, if you want a platform upgrade, a 12600k or 12700k would be good options. Boards can be all over the place in price, and some have DDR4, and some DDR5. DDR5 is a lot more money generally.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Also I'm not exactly happy with my motherboard.

That and DDR4-2400 are reason enough for a change. Your choice on what to do. An LGA-1700 DDR4 board with DDR4-3600 and a 12600k would leave you in a decent spot for awhile, and you could always upgrade the CPU later if you needed more threads. You might be eating crow once Zen4 comes out, but it's really a matter of how long you want to wait.

(not saying you should buy Zen4, per se; everything slower will get cheaper around that point)

 

[Leeea]

Also I'm not exactly happy with my motherboard. Asrock has a weird default setting where the motherboard undervolts the SOC and that leads to reboots.

I feel that, not happy with the one and only Asrock board I purchased either.

The key is to avoid Asrock.

As for what to upgrade, not sure.

 

[Indus]

Hmm, if your motherboard is having issues, that could be a fair reason to upgrade I suppose. Though normally I would agree with above posters, that a drop in CPU upgrade makes sense, and the GPU would probably help the most. What motherboard are you using? There may be a recent update that supports Vermeer, an update on the way, or even a modded/unofficial BIOS that could support it now.

Still, if you want a platform upgrade, a 12600k or 12700k would be good options. Boards can be all over the place in price, and some have DDR4, and some DDR5. DDR5 is a lot more money generally.

Asrock X370 Killer SLI/ac
was a newegg exclusive.. certainly not a Taichi which has been updated.

The killer hasn't received any updates after the 6.000 bios and doesn't seem to be prioritized.

I was an early adopter and obviously I've paid the price as in did not get the best memory available and stuff. I'm also very hesitant to be an early adopter again with AM5 and DDR5 which is still very pricy.

So I'm looking for a possible update that makes sense moneywise and is stable. Nothing is more irritating than being in the middle of a game and getting a random reboot.

 

[Shmee]

Asrock X370 Killer SLI/ac
was a newegg exclusive.. certainly not a Taichi which has been updated.

The killer hasn't received any updates after the 6.000 bios and doesn't seem to be prioritized.

I was an early adopter and obviously I've paid the price as in did not get the best memory available and stuff. I'm also very hesitant to be an early adopter again with AM5 and DDR5 which is still very pricy.

So I'm looking for a possible update that makes sense moneywise and is stable. Nothing is more irritating than being in the middle of a game and getting a random reboot.

Hmm, since it is an X370 board, it should be getting Vermeer support I would think soon enough, and the low VSoC issue should be easy enough to fix, assuming that is the culprit.

That said, I can understand the desire to do a full system upgrade at this point as well. If you want a good DDR4 board for alder lake, I would recommend this: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144486 seems to be a very solid board with good reviews. I would probably go with the i7 or i9 though for CPU.

 

[legcramp]

Back in the day, I upgraded from a Ryzen 5 1600 to a 8700K for PUBG... huge difference, at least 20-30 FPS at competitive settings. I think the upgrade would be huge for you going to a 12600K.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Back in the day, I upgraded from a Ryzen 5 1600 to a 8700K for PUBG... huge difference, at least 20-30 FPS at competitive settings. I think the upgrade would be huge for you going to a 12600K.

At which resolution and on which video card? OP has a 1080 SC, and it looks like it's going to bottleneck in 1440p pretty quickly if he runs ultra settings. If he runs competitive then yeah I think he can max out at 144 fps with a 12600k, or maybe even something a little slower.

 

[legcramp]

At which resolution and on which video card? OP has a 1080 SC, and it looks like it's going to bottleneck in 1440p pretty quickly if he runs ultra settings. If he runs competitive then yeah I think he can max out at 144 fps with a 12600k, or maybe even something a little slower.

It was a 1080 Ti at 1440p but competitive settings. That was also back in the day though so PUBG might be more optimized now, the Ryzen was chugging sometimes especially when landing initially no matter if I was running low or high settings.

 

[Indus]

Yeah I don't play with all the eye candy on. Shadows alone murder performance and that's the first thing to go.

I will pick up a new video card eventually when prices aren't crazy like double msrp right now.

BTW would you all call 12th gen a mature and reliable process or is it still finicky and I'm early adopting?

Also can someone recommend a good tower cooler with heat pipes compatible with LGA1700 that you've had good experience with. I noticed not many choices since most needed a mount upgrade.

Thanks.

P.S. is newegg still the place to buy or is there something better?

 

[DrMrLordX]

BTW would you all call 12th gen a mature and reliable process or is it still finicky and I'm early adopting?

It's mature enough that you aren't going to notice any problems like manufacturing defects (above and beyond what you would get with any other CPU on the market).

 

[Geegeeoh]

Isn't denuvo and redacted like that still a problem?


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[DrMrLordX]

Pretty sure Intel figured out how to stop most modern DRM from freaking out when seeing E-cores.

 

[LikeLinus]

Isn't denuvo and redacted like that still a problem?


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[LikeLinus]

OK

 

[Jimzz]

If your itching look for a cheaper/used 3800x or 3900xt since your board support those. Then wait for the 7000series from AMD and refresh from intel.

 

[Indus]

If your itching look for a cheaper/used 3800x or 3900xt since your board support those. Then wait for the 7000series from AMD and refresh from intel.

Kinda silly to spend $500 now (on a new CPU and memory) and another $900 later when I could just spend $800 now and call it a day.

Financially it doesn't make sense.

I am just holding back for 2 reasons.. I'm not sure which memory is the correct one for Alderlake 3200 or 3600 and a good air cooler that supports LGA 1700.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I am just holding back for 2 reasons.. I'm not sure which memory is the correct one for Alderlake 3200 or 3600 and a good air cooler that supports LGA 1700.

Best RAM for Intel 12th gen Core i5, i7, i9: Memory Guide, DDR4 vs. DDR5 - YouTube

At CL16, DDR4-3600 will give you extra 4 fps in Hitman. In other benchmarks, it will save you about 2 to 3 seconds. For even better peformance, try finding something lower than CL16 but then you will also pay a lot more.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The new bios for your board supporting 5 series is available. Bottom of this page - https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X370 Killer SLI/index.asp#BIOS

Updating the bios may resolve the stability issues. Provided your PSU isn't the one that's wonky.

I see 3700X's go for $200-$225 frequently. I paid $200 for mine. Very good match for a 1080. Ram is dirt cheap now, and you need a faster kit regardless of what you do. If you drop in upgrade you will have a backup CPU and ram for troubleshooting. Won't get much for either if you sell them, so not worth the time imo. YMMV.

I have the Gaming K4 version of your board, and it has been a jewel for going on 4yrs now. I have run 1600-2600-3600-3700x-3400g-3200g-Athlon 3000g in it. It will now take my 5800X if I so desired. Talk about bang for buck mobo. Only complaints are USB 3.0 front header dropout issues never fully fixed even with updates. I would have to try this new bios to conclude it is hopelessly nerfed.

Good luck whichever way you go. The 12th gen does set you up best for any GPU you buy later.