Thinking of getting into WoW, but need some answers first

[Tremulant]

Originally posted by: quikah

Originally posted by: Malladine
if you want to go non pvp ("Normal") start on Malygos...i'm Malladine there on horde. though it is an older server so things are a little different.
Ask around but it might be better for you on a new server.

Whoa, never seen you before, I have been on Malygos since about 1 month after it opened, Fargut (66 troll rogue) and Strif (63 tauren druid). What lvl are you?

Don't roll alliance on Malygos. not that there is anyting wrong with them, it is just that the alliance outnumber the horde almost 3:1, so Horde could use all the help we can get.

I have a lvl 30 NE hunter on Malygos. It was my first char, and I haven't played him in over a year.

I'm kind of tempted to roll a horde rogue on that server though.

 

[fsstrike]

Ill be completely honest. You can play for 1-2 hours a day, but its going to take you a VERY long time to get to 70 (If thats indeed your intent). Also, if you arnt planning on doing any raiding then your gear will be fairly bad compared to the more hardcore players. PVP at 70 wont be too bad tho... You could really only play about 1 hour and still rank very high but the chances of that are low since you would be most likely facing people with better gear then you. In other words, having good gear is a very large part about what makes wow fun. If your gear sucks, then you will constantly score lower on the damage meter and constantly get owned in PVP. If I was a casual gamer then I probably wouldnt even play wow.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: fsstrike
Ill be completely honest. You can play for 1-2 hours a day, but its going to take you a VERY long time to get to 70 (If thats indeed your intent). Also, if you arnt planning on doing any raiding then your gear will be fairly bad compared to the more hardcore players. PVP at 70 wont be too bad tho... You could really only play about 1 hour and still rank very high but the chances of that are low since you would be most likely facing people with better gear then you. In other words, having good gear is a very large part about what makes wow fun. If your gear sucks, then you will constantly score lower on the damage meter and constantly get owned in PVP. If I was a casual gamer then I probably wouldnt even play wow.

I can kill just about any class with my rogue in greens even if that class has the new dungeon set or epic gear >_>. Skill > Gear. Albeit, I still haven't found a dagger that provides better high-end damage than my Grand Marshal's Dirk (even 70 blues don't~).

 

[Matthias99]

Albeit, I still haven't found a dagger that provides better high-end damage than my Grand Marshal's Dirk (even 70 blues don't~).

A rogue with the rank14 (GM/HWL) PvP weapons isn't really "in greens". For sheer DPS output, there aren't very many better choices. 😛

Mostly what you're missing from better gear is much higher stamina (so you won't die as easily), and some AP (which will hurt your sustained DPS quite a bit, but has less effect on your burst DPS.) With good weapons, dagger builds aren't as gear-dependent in PvP, especially if you have decent crit%. You'll just be very fragile if you don't actually get the jump on somebody.

Some classes will be in much worse shape with poor gear. Warriors are particularly screwed; druids also have issues (though stacking gear and talents one way or another can help; you'll just suck at every role except one). Casters with poor gear have a lot less mana and a lot less burst damage capability (which hurts some classes/builds more than others; e.g. frost-spec mages still get all their improved snares and roots, but a fire-spec mage is much less threatening).

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Matthias99
A rogue with the rank14 (GM/HWL) PvP weapons isn't really "in greens". For sheer DPS output, there aren't very many better choices. 😛

http://ctprofiles.net/19193

But I am in mostly greens 🙁. I only have 4 epics now and they're all level 60 epics (going from having all epics but my cape and rings).

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Mostly what you're missing from better gear is much higher stamina (so you won't die as easily), and some AP (which will hurt your sustained DPS quite a bit, but has less effect on your burst DPS.) With good weapons, dagger builds aren't as gear-dependent in PvP, especially if you have decent crit%. You'll just be very fragile if you don't actually get the jump on somebody.

My stamina's not too bad actually.. overall I have about 6.5k HP (ignore CTP above, the stats haven't been updated for level 61-70 from what I can tell). Where I'm lacking is crit, but I could make up for this if I'd switch from Mutilate to Backstab as the extra 30% to crit (on BS only) helps to make up for poor stats. What really hurt me was dropping from ~29% crit at 60 to ~19% crit at 70 and still being Mutilate. I've been trying to find nice pieces to build things up evenly, but it seems Blizzard has yet again failed at nice itemization. Mutilate is a nice PVE build (unless you enter the "Elemental Level"... kind of like the Cow Level, but full of elementals 😛 (note that it doesn't actually exist)).

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Some classes will be in much worse shape with poor gear. Warriors are particularly screwed; druids also have issues (though stacking gear and talents one way or another can help; you'll just suck at every role except one). Casters with poor gear have a lot less mana and a lot less burst damage capability (which hurts some classes/builds more than others; e.g. frost-spec mages still get all their improved snares and roots, but a fire-spec mage is much less threatening).

Eh, back when I leveled my mage, I beat a 60 rogue at 52 :Q. Rogues were pure fodder for mages before they gave us Cloak of Shadows. The only defense we had versus those glass cannons were the fact that they are made of glass (low hp and low armor). My mage used to have 2.4k HP and could easily be killed in 2 hits by a decently geared rogue. However, you had to get to him first! :evil: Fortunately, I went for two relatively easy PVP pieces (gloves and shoulders) and that gave me the +20 stam bonus bringing me up 600 hp overall, which really helped.

But as for classes.. there's still the concept of specs that do better than others. Like with shamans, resto shamans are harder to kill than enhancement or elemental. A protection warrior with decent tanking gear and a shield is a pain in the ass to kill unless you bleed kite them. Druids can be the same way with their obscenely high armor in dire bear form. Thankfully, Blizzard realized this and Druid armor factor (in DB) is being nerfed in 2.0.10.

EDIT: I'm also disappointed that Blizzard is nerfing Vampiric Embrace. VE would be fine if they'd just fix rogue's wound poison to actually affect healing effects and not direct heals. Well, for rogues at least 😛. I still think one of the ultimate "hax" is Devouring Plague + Vampiric Embrace + Shadow Word: Pain + Mind Flay. The amount of health returned from all that isn't even funny.

EDIT 2: Someone recommend a good PVE or RP (not RP-PVP) server to transfer to. I'm leaving the server I joined up at launch, 'cause I'm tired of being on a Gank server and trying to level as we all know PVP servers aren't even about PVP anymore. Leveling my 5th character in this environment is just frustrating and is making everything worse for me, so I might as well do what's in my best interest and move all 10 of my characters to some new server. The best thing is, now I can move some to my other account so I can play two characters at once! No more asking anyone for help!! But then I have to choose a nice character dispersion.

I was thinking:

ACCT 1:
70 Rogue
60 Warrior
60 Mage
-other alts stay here-

ACCT 2:
60 Priest
47 Shaman

I like this setup so far because it allows me to combine a class that can heal with a melee class and it allows me to give water to my priest easily. Although, no matter where my mage is account-wise, he could just trade water to another character and then to my priest.

So yeah... anyone know any decent servers? Not looking for anything too special progression-wise. I really just want a decent community and not PVP 😛. Or we could go to FoW and see what PVE or RP server has a high concentration of babe-age :evil:!

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

EDIT 2: Someone recommend a good PVE or RP (not RP-PVP) server to transfer to. I'm leaving the server I joined up at launch, 'cause I'm tired of being on a Gank server and trying to level as we all know PVP servers aren't even about PVP anymore.

Aww it can't be that bad. Can't you just park one of your higher level characters nearby for gank defense?

I mean, I hate getting ganked, but even leveled world pvp is one of the best parts of the game IMO.

 

[Aikouka]

I do that, but it doesn't always help. Then when doing that, it just wastes my time that I could've just been doing my thing.

Like yesterday I went to do the Hinterlands chicken quest (easiest one to cheat on 😉) and three Horde come up and kill me. Well, I went on my rogue and it ended up being a 47 Paladin, 70 Priest and a 64 (or 66?) Warrior. Almost every scenario I played out in my head would've failed in killing all three. The only possible solution I could've seen would've been Paladin -> Priest -> Warrior, but depending on the reaction time, the priest would've been a problem. Definitely cannot do the Priest first as the Paladin would've thrown a Blessing of Protection on the Priest. Although, these all are based on the idea that these people actually know how to PVP.

But overall I'm just tired of it and Blizzard's only making it worse. Blizzard put high-level instances in leveling zones and it's pure hell trying to do anything. Especially doing the chicken quest in Tanaris, I failed that about 6-7 times and it was only my fault once. This just bothers me profusely, because I play WoW with a sense of honor as in I treat people the way I want to be treated. Unfortunately, the reciprocation of that is usually never done.

To avoid me getting annoyed, I'd rather just switch servers. If I do this, I can also switch characters between accounts (like I mentioned) and level even easier. I have problems finding groups and usually they suck in one manner or another. I'd much rather just bring my rogue into a place like Zul'Farrak and have him fight while I toss a heal every once in awhile :laugh:.

Also, I have 5 more characters that I'd like to level to 60 (and then to 70). It's been hell and a half trying to level my current 5 and I don't think I could stand another 5 unless all I had to worry about is mobs. I only joined a PVP server in the beginning because I thought PVE servers had absolutely no PVP at all and I liked the idea of defending towns. But then I found out that you kinda get flagged when confronting guards or civilians, so I could do that anyway 😛.

But to switch servers, I'd need a decent server to switch to. I don't care that you can't switch from PVE -> PVP (so I can never go back). I may leave my friends, but meh... they never play with me anymore anyway, so I don't care. I don't need high progression, but if there's a fun guild that's looking for some people, I may be interested. I haven't had fun in a guild or a group for a long time.

 

[ggnl]

Fair enough. I've never played on a non-pvp server so I couldn't help you pick one, but if I were you I'd limit myself to older, high-population servers. You can maybe check the offcial realm forums to get a feel for the overall maturity of the server, or you might even pick a pve realm in the same battle group you're in now so you know the BG's at least will stay familiar.

 

[Sunner]

Didn't read everything in this thread, but I do have several friends that play casually(to varying degrees, from a few hours a week and not at all some weeks, to a couple of hours a couple of days per week), and they all enjoy themselves, we get together in my apartment now and then to have "mini LAN partys" and do some instances and battlegrounds together.

Raiding in TBC is screwed up right now, but that's not gonna be a problem for you.
Also, I'd say TBC is an improvement on WoW-vanilla for casual players, instances are generally shorter, there's plenty of truly great gear you can obtain without having to reserve large blocks of time, etc.

I'd say go for it, for all it's faults, WoW is still a great game.

 

[Aikouka]

Alright, I poked around at a couple servers last night. I completely eliminated all servers that are Normal/RP in my Battlegrounds, because our PVP queue times are way too long (20-30 min WSG/AB and 1 hour AV waits). I copied the list of the battleground and eliminated everything with PVP or RP-PVP designation. Well, I was in the middle of the list (although I planned to start at the top, but I thought I was at the top 😛) and just saw the server "Alleria." I looked at their forums and I was practically amazed, they were... ummm "clean" for the lack of a better word. I'm used to lots of dumb and worthless posts and it seems a lot of other servers get some of that as well.

So, I created a level 1 on the server (although it did say the server was "FULL" I was still allowed to get in without a queue) and asked someone about the queue times pre-expansion (since pre-expansion is when a lot of people were max level and PVP'd... which in my opinion is the best time to look at), they said between 1-5 minutes for AB/WSG and about 30 minutes for AV. 30 minutes was our AV queue time on AV weekend during the PVP rush (when they changed the PVP system), so these times are pretty darn good for me if I decide to scuffle a bit with the Hordies.

I also found out that you can transfer accounts and servers at the same time for the $25 price, which I am quite happy about, but I also found out that you need to clear your mailboxes before you can transfer a character... well, that's the fun part for me 😛. I think my new bank character (a 31 alt rogue) had about 20 pages of mail varying from leather to Green Hills of Stranglethorn pages. So it's gotten down quite a bit now, but I still have about 5 pages of Runecloth to clear out (maybe I'll finally get my priest exalted with Darnassus or get my Draenei exalted depending on how decent Draenei look on nightsaber mounts) and other stuff, but it should be alright.

Oh and speaking of reputation... has reputation been nearly doubled since I started WoW? My main is barely revered with some factions ( and note that he did the New Years thing which provided 2000 rep for all tokens ) and my Draenei Shaman is currently around 12000/21000 with Darnassus, 18000/21000 with Exodar, 1000/21000 with Gnomeregan, 10000/21000 with Ironforge and 10000/21000 with Stormwind. This is purely crazy compared to my rogue and even my priest ( I mention the priest because he AV'd before they changed it to remove the Tauren Hooves and other items that provided a faction bonus when turned in. I would run through a group of 20 Horde to get some Troll Mojo for Darnassus rep 😛).

 

[crystal]

Questions about character transfer between accounts - does Blizzard lets you do that? Since I got a few 60s at the start of pre-bc, I let my brother played my paladin & rogue. He transferred (free transfer that blizzard offered to full realm) those 2 to another realm. If I created new account and let him uses that, would blizz lets him transfers his paladin or rogue to that account?

thx.

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: crystal
Questions about character transfer between accounts - does Blizzard lets you do that? Since I got a few 60s at the start of pre-bc, I let my brother played my paladin & rogue. He transferred (free transfer that blizzard offered to full realm) those 2 to another realm. If I created new account and let him uses that, would blizz lets him transfers his paladin or rogue to that account?

thx.

As long as the both accounts are under your name I think. You can't transfer characters to someone else's account.

Also, you can only transfer characters once evey 6 months, so if he did the transfers recently, then he'll have to wait.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: crystal
Questions about character transfer between accounts - does Blizzard lets you do that? Since I got a few 60s at the start of pre-bc, I let my brother played my paladin & rogue. He transferred (free transfer that blizzard offered to full realm) those 2 to another realm. If I created new account and let him uses that, would blizz lets him transfers his paladin or rogue to that account?

thx.

http://www.blizzard.com/support/wowbilling/?id=abl02008p

This should answer any questions you may have.

I also noticed in there that I may not be able to go to Alleria because it was listed as a "FULL" realm 🙁.

 

[abaez]

I think they lowered the transfer time from 6 months to 1 month and now it's back up to 3 months?

Also, for those who are linking ctprofiles, Blizzard has come out with the armory: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#index.xml which will pretty much kill any other character profile sites out there since it's updated every time you logout.

Lot's of people seem to have privacy issues with it (especially with regard to pvp teams and being able to easily scope out other peoples talent trees), but I think it's fantastic. My character is here: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Detheroc&n=Boda

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: abaez
I think they lowered the transfer time from 6 months to 1 month and now it's back up to 3 months?

Also, for those who are linking ctprofiles, Blizzard has come out with the armory: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#index.xml which will pretty much kill any other character profile sites out there since it's updated every time you logout.

Lot's of people seem to have privacy issues with it (especially with regard to pvp teams and being able to easily scope out other peoples talent trees), but I think it's fantastic. My character is here: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Detheroc&n=Boda

I tried it last night, but I was unable to find my character... it just sat there for awhile churning. I think I was logged in at the time, so I'm not sure if that would do anything. I guess it's easier just to take your URL and modify the parameters.

 

[abaez]

Yea, it's a bit sluggish and buggy right now. But it was working fine this morning.

 

[irishScott]

It has been referred to as:

World of Warcrack

World of Lifecraft

World of Lifecrack

Don't do it!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! 😀

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: crystal
Questions about character transfer between accounts - does Blizzard lets you do that? Since I got a few 60s at the start of pre-bc, I let my brother played my paladin & rogue. He transferred (free transfer that blizzard offered to full realm) those 2 to another realm. If I created new account and let him uses that, would blizz lets him transfers his paladin or rogue to that account?

thx.

http://www.blizzard.com/support/wowbilling/?id=abl02008p

This should answer any questions you may have.

I also noticed in there that I may not be able to go to Alleria because it was listed as a "FULL" realm 🙁.

Thanks for the link. Seem "Alleria" is ok for transfer. realms