Thinking about becoming a teacher.

raasco

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So, I've decided that after working ridiculous amounts of overtime in the summer months(and wasting away the summers) with my current career path, I'm thinking about heading back to school for a degree in Elementary Education. What am I missing? I wouldn't be doing it strictly for the summers off, I'm just a "Thirty Something" with a need for a change. Pros and Cons please.
 
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"Summers off" is a myth. My housemate has worked five of the last 8 weeks, and is back to work for the year in another week.

Meanwhile, in the "real world," nothing can get done because the people who aren't "OoO" on approved vacations are "WFH" with their kids.

If you like little kids, I guess there's nothing wrong with EE. Gender dynamics are a lot different than male-dominated professions though; you might want to stick with grades 6-12 just so there's some other dudes around.
 
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first rule of teaching:

you can look, but can't touch.
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Being a teacher is tough. But hearing from my friends who became teachers, I see that the job is less tough as you teach higher grades. Elementary is the worse follow by middle school.

You can get summer off, assuming you can budget your 9-10 month salary into it.

My friend is pregnant and is a 5th grade teacher and working three jobs in the summer (summer school, commercial tutor and a nails technician in the weekend) to get by during her "time off". And I keep hearing her rant about not being paid enough, having to spend her own money on class room supplies, grading home work and planning lessons year round.
 

Sonikku

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Don't bother. It's almost impossible for new teachers to get their foot in the door. It's a struggle for many of the younger ones that are already there just to hold on to their job. Cutbacks will increasingly become a bigger and bigger part of our school's future and the geezers have seniority. That's usually all that matters when giving people the boot, regardless of such factors like passion or quality.
 
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Don't bother. It's almost impossible for new teachers to get their foot in the door. It's a struggle for many of the younger ones that are already there just to hold on to their job. Cutbacks will increasingly become a bigger and bigger part of our school's future and the geezers have seniority. That's usually all that matters when giving people the boot, regardless of such factors like passion or quality.
Meh. The oldsters have to retire some time.

It's like any field - the young people are eager, numerous, and disposable. (50% change careers w/in two years.)

If a program/district is in so much flux that they're hiring people just to lay them off, it's probably better to move on anyway - it's on you to do basic research on the employer to see if the position is likely to be around in six months. Stick with the n00b BS for a couple years and you're golden.
 

Mai72

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So, I've decided that after working ridiculous amounts of overtime in the summer months(and wasting away the summers) with my current career path, I'm thinking about heading back to school for a degree in Elementary Education. What am I missing? I wouldn't be doing it strictly for the summers off, I'm just a "Thirty Something" with a need for a change. Pros and Cons please.

Teaching has changed for the worst.

First, it's difficult to get a position unless you have a degree in mathematics and/or science. If you do have a degree in math/ science why the hell would you want to teach? Find a job that's going to pay you a hell of a lot more money.

Second, when you're applying for teaching positions you're competing with about 500 other applicants. Nepotism is rife at most good school districts so if you're competing with a teacher whose mom works on the school board you can forget about getting the job. I've seen teachers with 10 years experience lose out to new teachers because his/her mom was involved with the district. You could also be subbing for the next 5 years until you get a position. That's a worse case scenario.

Third, our society does not hold teachers as highly as we once did. We ridicule them and then say that they aren't doing their jobs. If you're a male you need to be careful in your interaction with students and even fellow female teachers. One complaint and you could be out of a job. Even if a student said that you looked at her in an odd way you could possible lose your job.

Finally, check out this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randy-turner/a-warning-to-young-people_b_3033304.html

If you really want to be a teacher then do it. Just know the negatives and proceed with caution.
 
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Being a teacher is tough. But hearing from my friends who became teachers, I see that the job is less tough as you teach higher grades. Elementary is the worse follow by middle school.

You can get summer off, assuming you can budget your 9-10 month salary into it.

My friend is pregnant and is a 5th grade teacher and working three jobs in the summer (summer school, commercial tutor and a nails technician in the weekend) to get by during her "time off". And I keep hearing her rant about not being paid enough, having to spend her own money on class room supplies, grading home work and planning lessons year round.

You can opt to get paid during the summer, like have your pay spread out over 12 months.

Also, the teachers I know, have the summer off.
 

lxskllr

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There's a lot of politics, and managerial fuckery that have little to do with educating kids. It starts at your supervisor, and goes all the way up to federal elected officials. It's your job to make their "vision" happen, right or wrong.
 

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You can opt to get paid during the summer, like have your pay spread out over 12 months.

Also, the teachers I know, have the summer off.

My parents are both teachers and so is my wife's Mom. If they go in during the summer it's usually something like, "I want to paint the classroom" or something like that. They all go in for a handful of days every summer but in general, they have their summers off.
 

Exterous

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There are a couple of things to keep in mind. The first is that you are going to have to follow rules set by people you may never meet or interact with given that you must conform to numerous state and federal guidelines which often make absolutely no sense. The next is that the management hierarchy is very flat which means a huge part of your experience rests on the ability of your administrators. Nothing can make a year go south faster than an admin that undermines your classroom authority or doesn't know how to manage. Unfortunately the principle/assistant principle position can be highly political\unstable depending on the district with quality not always being a huge consideration when choosing one.

You also have to deal with the parents who think their special little snowflake who has never been disciplined in their life can do no wrong so clearly the issue is with you because you are an idiot\hate their child\are racist

The benefits are quickly changing too. This varies wildly by state and district but many are making cuts to the pension plan for new teachers and health care for existing employers. I keep reading all these articles about how great teacher healthcare is yet I have had better and cheaper health care options at my corporate world job than the last two districts my wife has worked at. The pension is still a better than a 401k with match would be...assuming its still around when she retires. (As an investing side note 403b providers are a bit of a free for all for schools as they seem to participate with numerous options with participant be ware. I looked at some of the various participating companies and holy fees batman! There was one company where every plan was above a 1.2 ER and had a sales charge + a 12-1b fee!)

Another consideration is that you will likely have to do a lot of 'Continuing Education' classes that may or may not include getting your Masters Degree. With the rapid rise in education costs and the low pay\shitty raises teacher's often get it is likely not a minor consideration to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a degree to keep your job.

All that said my wife loves her job and does get a shit ton of time off. She puts in a lot of extra time during the year but gets something like 10-12 weeks off a year

Being a teacher is tough. But hearing from my friends who became teachers, I see that the job is less tough as you teach higher grades. Elementary is the worse follow by middle school.

That is going to depend on your temperament. Some people really like EE and wouldn't want to deal HS students. No one likes Middle School though :p

And I keep hearing her rant about not being paid enough

The pay is pretty shitty for new teachers. Unless you are able to get into one of the great school districts that everyone else is trying to get into your raises might be shit\nonexistent (My wife got a $500 or ~1% raise this year. Yay? OTOH my BIL teacher hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years) and there will be constant talks with management about wage\benefit cuts

It's almost impossible for new teachers to get their foot in the door.

It depends on the area a bit. A couple of years ago I know TX was hiring like crazy although I don't know if they still area. I would imagine areas in ND are hiring

If you do this I would recommend getting a dual cert in something. Both my BIL and wife have certs in math and that saved them from being laid off when positions in science and Spanish (respectively) were cut. Math does seem to be a good cert to get as a lot of people like to focus on a school's math scores
 

Ruptga

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I can sympathize with wanting to do something completely different, but I would never consider teaching, especially such young kids. The pay is a joke and you get no respect at all, plus at that age most of the job is just herding cats and working on basic socialization. Also there are all the other problems others have listed. For a job with good amounts of time off, I would consider stripping or prostitution before considering a degree for elementary ed, dead serious. At least there you'd get paid enough to actually take the time off.
 

Jeeebus

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Becoming a teacher because you want summers off is like becoming a lawyer because you really like Law & Order.
 

SandEagle

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i wouldn't mind being a teacher in the detroit public school system. i feel i can really make a difference.
the only thing holding me back is the stupid pay and the fact that i hate dealing with children
 

SirStev0

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pretty good gig. Its one of those jobs that it is hard starting out but about 5 years in you are pretty much on cruise control.

People bitch about all the "grading" and etc they have to do, but that is the typical making your job look harder than it actually is.

The whole "we don't get summers off" thing is a lie too. You do, at least much more than any other job ever.

Yes you are also a glorified babysitter, but again, so are most people. (they just baby sit other adults).

My buddy got in with a great school district, in a safe area and all it took was having a science degree with good grades. He didnt even waste his time getting a worthless education major that does nothing.
He is basically on cruise control now. Lesson plans are all keyed up. Getting good results. Also was smart about his tests and assignments and has an easy to grade system that sounds like a lot of work but actually is easy for him.

Like everything, if you work smarter, not harder, you have a breeze job.

Teaching (in 'Merica) has the added bonus of corrupt teacher unions to keep the benefits and time off and bargaining chips well within your pockets.
 

trmiv

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Teaching (in 'Merica) has the added bonus of corrupt teacher unions to keep the benefits and time off and bargaining chips well within your pockets.


If you work in a state that allows public employees to form unions. My wife is a teacher here in NC where there is no teachers Union, and teachers here (and education in general) get pretty much shit on constantly.
 

Pulsar

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"Summers off" is a myth. My housemate has worked five of the last 8 weeks, and is back to work for the year in another week.

Meanwhile, in the "real world," nothing can get done because the people who aren't "OoO" on approved vacations are "WFH" with their kids.

If you like little kids, I guess there's nothing wrong with EE. Gender dynamics are a lot different than male-dominated professions though; you might want to stick with grades 6-12 just so there's some other dudes around.

Summers off is certainly NOT a myth. Don't know where you got that idea.

It's not like it's hard to find out what Teachers make, and they don't need to take second jobs unless they're spending above their means.

Here in michigan the average Detroit teacher salary is 52k. If you can't live on that, you've got other problems.
 

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Good idea if you like kids and helping people. I feel, there is some selflessness and idealism involved with this profession. You need those things to be a happy teacher.
 

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I'd teach in Detroit; if offered a 6 figure salary, the ability to hand pick kids in 6th grade, and the ability to keep those kids through their senior year. (with, of course, the ability to kick kids out of my program.)
 

PlanetJosh

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It's a worthy profession and we need more teachers. But could a shortage of teachers in the U.S. lead to regional or national unrest? Like a rebellion if one thing led to another because of way overcrowded classes and parents upset about it. Just as an example.
 

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Summers off is certainly NOT a myth. Don't know where you got that idea.

It's not like it's hard to find out what Teachers make, and they don't need to take second jobs unless they're spending above their means.

Here in michigan the average Detroit teacher salary is 52k. If you can't live on that, you've got other problems.

this, my cousin was a teacher and he had gotten summers off but instead he went to the local college and worked 3 days a week and made a killing and by 3 days i mean 3 hours a day.
 

pete6032

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Here in michigan the average Detroit teacher salary is 52k. If you can't live on that, you've got other problems.

But what is the starting rate, $35k? Not saying you couldn't live on that, but if you had student loans, those might be some lean years starting out.