Things that still suck about Windows 7

[coolVariable]

Originally posted by: foghorn67


I like all the changes except for what they left out.
No advanced tag editor anymore. The closest thing to that is to browse the containing folder in explorer and click on the bottom bar. But it's dumbed down, and quite unusable.
I have to resort to a third party editor.
This is quite atrocious. I hope that isn't planned for RTM.

Everything else, I love. The best OS. Period.

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[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Zillatech
I don't like the new Media Player 12, they broke it up too much with the "Now Playing" and they hid the EQ features, etc. too deep. I really liked Media Player 11 for the layout and they changed it too much for the sake of changing it. I'm appreciating Vista a little more now after playing around with 7 RC.

They moved the EQ feature to the properties on your playback devices. Right click on the sound icon, pick Playback Devices, Then select the default device, (Mine is Speakers) then select properties, Enhancements and it should be right there.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
'Enable desktop composition" is the one that causes trouble if turned off.

In my limited testing, it happens only with high-end NV cards, which need the 'performance 2D' clock speed. Mid-range with two clocks (idle/load) or mainstream with no power-saving features (same clock frequency always) don't behave that way.

With AMD cards, video works fine whether Aero is enabled or not. Only when memory is overclocked I noticed flickering or tearing for very short periods of time (when clock change occurs).

 

[CrystalBay]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Zillatech
I don't like the new Media Player 12, they broke it up too much with the "Now Playing" and they hid the EQ features, etc. too deep. I really liked Media Player 11 for the layout and they changed it too much for the sake of changing it. I'm appreciating Vista a little more now after playing around with 7 RC.

I like all the changes except for what they left out.
No advanced tag editor anymore. The closest thing to that is to browse the containing folder in explorer and click on the bottom bar. But it's dumbed down, and quite unusable.
I have to resort to a third party editor.
This is quite atrocious. I hope that isn't planned for RTM.

Everything else, I love. The best OS. Period.

Please submit these queries to MS so they cant take note...

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: lopri

In my limited testing, it happens only with high-end NV cards, which need the 'performance 2D' clock speed. Mid-range with two clocks (idle/load) or mainstream with no power-saving features (same clock frequency always) don't behave that way.

With AMD cards, video works fine whether Aero is enabled or not. Only when memory is overclocked I noticed flickering or tearing for very short periods of time (when clock change occurs).

The only ATi card I have is a 3870x2 and there's no way I'm using that from a 295GTX! It would be interesting to try it though.

The aero effects seem smoother in 7 and I'm sort of getting used to it. If this is an NV issue they need to get off their laurels and fix this sheet!

 

[pm]

Originally posted by: coolVariable
Seems like people have some really obscure "issues" that aren't real issues.
"I work with windows so I need the win95 look" really? Give us a break (and MS too).

I just spent the evening trying to help my father (in his 60's) use his new Vista laptop. He's been calling me all evening "Where's the 'Add/Remove Programs'" button in Control Panel?" ("Dad, they changed it to "Programs and Features")

He now wants to return this laptop and find one that uses XP - because "it was easier". He'll probably be less frustrated in a week or two... but for tonight he powered off his new laptop in frustration and irritation.

There is value in not changing things. My father's old laptop broke, but why should he have to learn a whole bunch of new tricks? Anyone who answers "the new method is more efficient than the old way" probably hasn't spent a lot of time trying to get an older non-technical user up to speed on a new OS. Using a Dvorak keyboard is supposedly a lot more efficient than a QWERTY one, but I have no desire to retrain my mind to type on it. Vista offered a backwards compatibility Start menu, and backwards compatibility on themes. I don't see why they would take this away on the new OS... I mean what does it hurt to offer a mode that people are used to? Particularly older people?

Maybe the search bar on Win7 at the bottom would be better for my father than a classic start menu ("dad, just type "word" to open "word for windows"). But I don't see why they can't leave in the old stuff. If it makes people happy to use what they are used to... let them.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
The only ATi card I have is a 3870x2 and there's no way I'm using that from a 295GTX! It would be interesting to try it though.

The aero effects seem smoother in 7 and I'm sort of getting used to it. If this is an NV issue they need to get off their laurels and fix this sheet!

What is wrong with a 9500 GT?

 

[coolVariable]

Originally posted by: pm

Originally posted by: coolVariable
Seems like people have some really obscure "issues" that aren't real issues.
"I work with windows so I need the win95 look" really? Give us a break (and MS too).

I just spent the evening trying to help my father (in his 60's) use his new Vista laptop. He's been calling me all evening "Where's the 'Add/Remove Programs'" button in Control Panel?" ("Dad, they changed it to "Programs and Features")

He now wants to return this laptop and find one that uses XP - because "it was easier". He'll probably be less frustrated in a week or two... but for tonight he powered off his new laptop in frustration and irritation.

There is value in not changing things. My father's old laptop broke, but why should he have to learn a whole bunch of new tricks? Anyone who answers "the new method is more efficient than the old way" probably hasn't spent a lot of time trying to get an older non-technical user up to speed on a new OS. Using a Dvorak keyboard is supposedly a lot more efficient than a QWERTY one, but I have no desire to retrain my mind to type on it. Vista offered a backwards compatibility Start menu, and backwards compatibility on themes. I don't see why they would take this away on the new OS... I mean what does it hurt to offer a mode that people are used to? Particularly older people?

Maybe the search bar on Win7 at the bottom would be better for my father than a classic start menu ("dad, just type "word" to open "word for windows"). But I don't see why they can't leave in the old stuff. If it makes people happy to use what they are used to... let them.

At some point you have to cut off support for old baggage and I am glad MS is finally doing it. At least MS still retains the functionality in their new OSs even if it is harder to do/find.
I don't think you dad complains when he buys a new car (and they change things all the time: AC, radio, buttons, knobs, etc.).

 

[PhreePhly]

Originally posted by: pm

Originally posted by: coolVariable
Seems like people have some really obscure "issues" that aren't real issues.
"I work with windows so I need the win95 look" really? Give us a break (and MS too).

I just spent the evening trying to help my father (in his 60's) use his new Vista laptop. He's been calling me all evening "Where's the 'Add/Remove Programs'" button in Control Panel?" ("Dad, they changed it to "Programs and Features")

He now wants to return this laptop and find one that uses XP - because "it was easier". He'll probably be less frustrated in a week or two... but for tonight he powered off his new laptop in frustration and irritation.

There is value in not changing things. My father's old laptop broke, but why should he have to learn a whole bunch of new tricks? Anyone who answers "the new method is more efficient than the old way" probably hasn't spent a lot of time trying to get an older non-technical user up to speed on a new OS. Using a Dvorak keyboard is supposedly a lot more efficient than a QWERTY one, but I have no desire to retrain my mind to type on it. Vista offered a backwards compatibility Start menu, and backwards compatibility on themes. I don't see why they would take this away on the new OS... I mean what does it hurt to offer a mode that people are used to? Particularly older people?

Maybe the search bar on Win7 at the bottom would be better for my father than a classic start menu ("dad, just type "word" to open "word for windows"). But I don't see why they can't leave in the old stuff. If it makes people happy to use what they are used to... let them.

Tell your Dad to click the Start Button and type "Add Program" and there should be an entry for add and remove programs. Win 7 does this better, as it actually adds a section for control panel in the search.

PhreePhly

 

[classy]

I just started using it. I like it, it seems fast and stable. My first compliant is no classic start menu .

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: lopri

Originally posted by: Rubycon
The only ATi card I have is a 3870x2 and there's no way I'm using that from a 295GTX! It would be interesting to try it though.

The aero effects seem smoother in 7 and I'm sort of getting used to it. If this is an NV issue they need to get off their laurels and fix this sheet!

What is wrong with a 9500 GT?

Well my Asus notebook has a 9300M GS and it does *exactly* the same thing. With aero running the issue abates itself. And of course its gpu isn't as powerful so the fading effect is not butter smooth like the 295. Really, really annoying. And I'm glad that others also would like to see the classic menu stay as well.

One thing I definitely like is the quicklaunch. It was confusing at first until I right clicked on an icon by accident. When you have 20 copies of a program open it really comes in handy.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
Well my Asus notebook has a 9300M GS and it does *exactly* the same thing. With aero running the issue abates itself. And of course its gpu isn't as powerful so the fading effect is not butter smooth like the 295. Really, really annoying. And I'm glad that others also would like to see the classic menu stay as well.

One thing I definitely like is the quicklaunch. It was confusing at first until I right clicked on an icon by accident. When you have 20 copies of a program open it really comes in handy.

These are the instructions on how to reenable Quick Launch.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Rubycon
Well my Asus notebook has a 9300M GS and it does *exactly* the same thing. With aero running the issue abates itself. And of course its gpu isn't as powerful so the fading effect is not butter smooth like the 295. Really, really annoying. And I'm glad that others also would like to see the classic menu stay as well.

One thing I definitely like is the quicklaunch. It was confusing at first until I right clicked on an icon by accident. When you have 20 copies of a program open it really comes in handy.

These are the instructions on how to reenable Quick Launch.

Edit : I use the Quick Launch to put the Recycle Bin on the taskbar since they don't allow easy pinning of the RCB.

 

[pm]

Originally posted by: classy
I just started using it. I like it, it seems fast and stable. My first compliant is no classic start menu .

I did some Googling and this took care of my Classic Start Menu needs:
http://www.vistastartmenu.com/index.html

Small, fast, free and I think even better than the classic menu. Despite the name, it works fine in Windows 7.

 

[AlucardX]

Re: Start menu complaints

Start using Launchy (www.launchy.net) or the other free alternatives and never have to go into the start menu ever again.. protip: create shortcuts to all items in control panel and then index this location too so you can easily pull up control panel items.

 

[ronnn]

The major thing that sucks is that it is not yet for sale. I want a new machine, but don't want to pay for an os I will only use until 7 comes out.

 

[KeypoX]

im already bored of it...

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: coolVariable

At some point you have to cut off support for old baggage and I am glad MS is finally doing it. At least MS still retains the functionality in their new OSs even if it is harder to do/find.
I don't think you dad complains when he buys a new car (and they change things all the time: AC, radio, buttons, knobs, etc.).

No, they really don't change where the buttons and controls are in a car so I'm not sure why you're using that as an example. People go apeshit over cars with center gauges and that isn't even that different. At any rate, changing where your program shortcuts are placed isn't like moving an A/C dial...its more like moving the gas pedal.

 

[Qbah]

There are two things I dislike about Win7 RC:
1. Why the hell did they remove DreamScape ? I loved it in Vista ! I have this perfect "video" of a slowly pulsing star which was very pleasing to the eye and now I can't have it as my background. I did try several programs for Vista that allow you to run a video as background... none of them work correctly (ie. at all) under Win7.
2. IE8... it's sooooooo slow and has so many problems displaying a lot of the websites I visit. Not to mention I have a big screen and usually zoom everything to 135%. Everything is pathetically slow after I do it. I thought it was my imagination, but I installed Firefox and OMG what a difference! Everything is instant, even after zooming, pages scroll fine after zooming (painful under IE8... seriously) and everything is displayed correctly regardless of the website I visit. However, the way IE8 is pinned down on the task bar is so amazing (each tab is displayed to name the biggest thing!). But Firefox doesn't have that functionality (yet... I hope!). IE8 needs to run A LOT faster to be usable by me.