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sportage

Lifer
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I dont know... I like W7. A sucks? Well maybe no BR support would be a sucks.
But thats probably something they can't control. SOny would be on their
case about that.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
1. When files are locked it doesn't tell what app has locked it or how to unlock it.

2. No save with auto-renaming in IE or FF.

3. Still hard to transfer settings to a new PC.



please list your minor complaints about Windows.

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4. File operations still suck - no resume feature, no discernible order in which files are copied, moved, etc., no (ie. you could start a large file transfer that will take a few hours, supervise it for the first half hour, go take a nap, and come back to a "Do you want to overwrite?" window that's been sitting there for the last two hours.)
 
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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
4. File operations still suck - no resume feature, no discernible order in which files are copied, moved, etc., no (ie. you could start a large file transfer that will take a few hours, supervise it for the first half hour, go take a nap, and come back to a "Do you want to overwrite?" window that's been sitting there for the last two hours.)

This one I agree with. Is this implemented on any current OS?
 

amddude

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Yeah it'd be nice if it would compare the files at the remote location first. The problem with that, I assume, is that it would slow down the entire operation though.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: bsobel
MS is missing out on a huge market if they don't support the millions of laptops that were sold with Vista.

It's a huge jump from saying your chipset isn't supported (remember, on Vista the 855 used the XP drivers as Intel never updated them) to saying that W7 doesn't support ANY laptop that was sold with Vista.

The fact remains that there are millions of centrino-based laptops out there without proper graphics drivers. It would be in MS's best interest to have drivers for them so they can upgrade to Windows 7.

The more things change the more they stay the same. I see the next iteration of Windows is going to be blamed because hardware manufacturers stop supporting their own products. While I agree it is in Microsofts best interest to have the widest compatibility. It isnt upto them to write drivers for hardware manufacturers who leave their customers hanging.
 

13Gigatons

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Originally posted by: amddude
Yeah it'd be nice if it would compare the files at the remote location first. The problem with that, I assume, is that it would slow down the entire operation though.

Other file managers work a lot better then Explorer.
 

ShawnD1

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Originally posted by: amddude
Yeah it'd be nice if it would compare the files at the remote location first. The problem with that, I assume, is that it would slow down the entire operation though.

Even better would be if it just ignored problem files until the very end. Example:
file 1 -> moved
file 2 -> moved
file 3 -> permission error (show a prompt)
file 4 -> moved
file 5 -> moved

The way it works right now is to stop the entire operation at file 3, just because it's funny to piss people off and waste hours of computer time.
 

vj8usa

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Actually, doesn't Vista already handle file transfers properly? I'm guessing 7 does the same thing, but I've never used it. In Vista, to the best of my recollection, it's always left files with the same name till the very end (I always seem to remember it moving a lot of stuff, and then popping up with a whole bunch of files in the overwrite dialog at the end). Maybe my memory's a bit foggy, though.

As for #2, doesn't FF already do this, at least if you configure it to DL all files to one folder? It just appends (2) to the second one, (3) to the third, etc.
 

Colt45

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Does windows still do the stupid auto cd-spool / 5 second stall on any 'open file' dialog?

NO IT'S NOT ON THE CD. SPOOL IT WHEN I CLICK ON IT.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
1. When files are locked it doesn't tell what app has locked it or how to unlock it.

2. No save with auto-renaming in IE or FF.

3. Still hard to transfer settings to a new PC.



please list your minor complaints about Windows.

Moved from Off Topic.
Moderator allisolm

4. File operations still suck - no resume feature, no discernible order in which files are copied, moved, etc., no (ie. you could start a large file transfer that will take a few hours, supervise it for the first half hour, go take a nap, and come back to a "Do you want to overwrite?" window that's been sitting there for the last two hours.)

5. Here's a BIGGIE! When you clean install Win7 Beta/RC on a drive with two partitions, it will DELETE almost all of the info on the non-OS partition. My storage partition had about 50GB of photos and after formatting my OS partition and installing Win7 RC on it, I found that all the data on my storage partition had been deleted except for a random folder with two pictures left.
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Ideally, yes, seeing as it can run Compiz effects nicely under Linux.
Well that's nice. Now if we could just convince Microsoft to replace the entire DirectX based Desktop Window Manager sub-system in Windows Vista with the OpenGL based X Window System used by Compiz, Intel GMA 900 could support all those Compiz effects in Windows Vista, too. But, alas, Windows Vista does not use the X Window System, does not support the X Window System, is not remotely similar to the X Window System.

Compiz effects != Aero effects

Besides, do you know which Compiz effects - exactly - are being GPU accelerated or CPU driven? Compiz implements support for both.
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
5. Here's a BIGGIE! When you clean install Win7 Beta/RC on a drive with two partitions, it will DELETE almost all of the info on the non-OS partition. My storage partition had about 50GB of photos and after formatting my OS partition and installing Win7 RC on it, I found that all the data on my storage partition had been deleted except for a random folder with two pictures left.

That is purely user error on your part as my data partition has never been wiped by any version of Win 7, including the RC. You need to pay more attention to what you are doing on the drive options when installing, because it sounds like you have been formatting the drive, which Windows 7 will not touch unless you tell it to.
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: tcsenter

Well that's nice. Now if we could just convince Microsoft to replace the entire DirectX based Desktop Window Manager sub-system in Windows Vista with the OpenGL based X Window System used by Compiz, Intel GMA 900 could support all those Compiz effects in Windows Vista, too. But, alas, Windows Vista does not use the X Window System, does not support the X Window System, is not remotely similar to the X Window System.

Compiz effects != Aero effects

Besides, do you know which Compiz effects - exactly - are being GPU accelerated or CPU driven? Compiz implements support for both.

What he is not telling you is many effects are either unavailable to his chipset or the user has to disable some in order for Compiz to work half way smooth. Compiz has almost the same exact video requirements as Aero for a good user experience.

I have used Compiz Since Dapper Drake was still alpha and we had to do a little hacking to get it to work on Ubuntu. I am tired of all the BS the ABM crowd spouts about how much better Compiz is than Aero. Compiz is way buggier than Aero, is not as smooth, especially on Nvidia cards using AIGLX instead of XGL. (AIGLX is built into the x-server now and is therefore default on all distros but Open Suse which still uses it's own XGL.)

Compiz has more effects, but it is choppy, and has a lot of tearing.
 

bsobel

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5. Here's a BIGGIE! When you clean install Win7 Beta/RC on a drive with two partitions, it will DELETE almost all of the info on the non-OS partition. My storage partition had about 50GB of photos and after formatting my OS partition and installing Win7 RC on it, I found that all the data on my storage partition had been deleted except for a random folder with two pictures left.

Didn't you post the same thing about the beta build months ago? I believe you are lying.
 

PhreePhly

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Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
1. When files are locked it doesn't tell what app has locked it or how to unlock it.

2. No save with auto-renaming in IE or FF.

3. Still hard to transfer settings to a new PC.

4. File operations still suck - no resume feature, no discernible order in which files are copied, moved, etc., no (ie. you could start a large file transfer that will take a few hours, supervise it for the first half hour, go take a nap, and come back to a "Do you want to overwrite?" window that's been sitting there for the last two hours.) --fuzzybabybunny


please list your minor complaints about Windows.

You're wrong on #4. Win 7 (as well as Vista) will complete the file transfer, except for the files with an issue. The dialog box even has a check box to perform the same function, i.e. copy and replace or copy with new name, for all files affected. It's actually quite nice.

PhreePhly

 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: bsobel
5. Here's a BIGGIE! When you clean install Win7 Beta/RC on a drive with two partitions, it will DELETE almost all of the info on the non-OS partition. My storage partition had about 50GB of photos and after formatting my OS partition and installing Win7 RC on it, I found that all the data on my storage partition had been deleted except for a random folder with two pictures left.

Didn't you post the same thing about the beta build months ago? I believe you are lying.

Happened in both Beta and this RC for me.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
5. Here's a BIGGIE! When you clean install Win7 Beta/RC on a drive with two partitions, it will DELETE almost all of the info on the non-OS partition. My storage partition had about 50GB of photos and after formatting my OS partition and installing Win7 RC on it, I found that all the data on my storage partition had been deleted except for a random folder with two pictures left.

That is purely user error on your part as my data partition has never been wiped by any version of Win 7, including the RC. You need to pay more attention to what you are doing on the drive options when installing, because it sounds like you have been formatting the drive, which Windows 7 will not touch unless you tell it to.

I really don't know how that could be the case. The drive options is pretty cut and dry. Drive C formatted. Drive D NOT formatted with data intact. Install Windows, and all files on Drive D are suddenly gone except for a folder and 2 photos in it? Yeah, sounds like user error.
 

bsobel

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Happened in both Beta and this RC for me.

Based on your trolling history, I say your lieing. Funny how this horrible data destroying bug ONLY happens to you and no other reports of it.
 

PhreePhly

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

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5. Here's a BIGGIE! When you clean install Win7 Beta/RC on a drive with two partitions, it will DELETE almost all of the info on the non-OS partition. My storage partition had about 50GB of photos and after formatting my OS partition and installing Win7 RC on it, I found that all the data on my storage partition had been deleted except for a random folder with two pictures left.

I have performed 7 or 8 clean installs of beta, interim builds and RC on 4 different PCs and laptops with multiple partitions, and not once has the install process touched the non-OS partition. You are doing something wrong in the install

PhreePhly

 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Happened in both Beta and this RC for me.

Based on your trolling history, I say your lieing. Funny how this horrible data destroying bug ONLY happens to you and no other reports of it.

So instead of saying the problem's PEBKAC, you'd like to just jump directly to accusations? And why would I lie? You'd rather think I'm lying for some kind of selfish/malicious reason versus me posting information because my intent is to try to help people avoid problems, even though it may be incorrect? I love Win7. I think it's already one of the best OS' that MS has ever released, and I've been running it exclusively on both my laptop and desktop for months now.

I have no problem with people who say I missed a setting. I do have a problem with people who question my character.
 

Spicedaddy

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
5. Here's a BIGGIE! When you clean install Win7 Beta/RC on a drive with two partitions, it will DELETE almost all of the info on the non-OS partition. My storage partition had about 50GB of photos and after formatting my OS partition and installing Win7 RC on it, I found that all the data on my storage partition had been deleted except for a random folder with two pictures left.

That is purely user error on your part as my data partition has never been wiped by any version of Win 7, including the RC. You need to pay more attention to what you are doing on the drive options when installing, because it sounds like you have been formatting the drive, which Windows 7 will not touch unless you tell it to.

I really don't know how that could be the case. The drive options is pretty cut and dry. Drive C formatted. Drive D NOT formatted with data intact. Install Windows, and all files on Drive D are suddenly gone except for a folder and 2 photos in it? Yeah, sounds like user error.

Motherboard and hdd model?

Are you sure you're not mixing up your partitions (if they're the same size...)? For example, I have Vista on C, Win7 on D and E is storage. Windows 7 switches the C and D partitions (installs on D, but sees it as C drive).
 

bsobel

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I have no problem with people who say I missed a setting. I do have a problem with people who question my character.

Then you shouldn't troll like you are here and like you have in L&R. Their is only one report of this mystery HUGE problem in W7 and its from the same person who somehow ran across it twice out of the entire beta user base. And that person is a known troll. So yea, I think your making this up entirely for attention. You didn't get attention last time for the beta release so you claimed it again on the RC.

 

coolVariable

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Originally posted by: zerogear
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: bsobel
MS is missing out on a huge market if they don't support the millions of laptops that were sold with Vista.

It's a huge jump from saying your chipset isn't supported (remember, on Vista the 855 used the XP drivers as Intel never updated them) to saying that W7 doesn't support ANY laptop that was sold with Vista.

The fact remains that there are millions of centrino-based laptops out there without proper graphics drivers. It would be in MS's best interest to have drivers for them so they can upgrade to Windows 7.

It is NOT up to Microsoft to create drivers for hardware, hardware vendors have to do that. Don't be quick to hop on MS hate train, this is Intel at fault here.

Correct. Sadly there are few options besides intel in the small form factor laptop world.

 

sportage

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I've installed most all releases of win7.
One TB drive with two partitions.
Second part has all my saved media and programs I install
after installing a clean os on the first partition.
Have never lost any data on the second partition.
Sure you arent installing Linux by mistake? ;)
 

Rubycon

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No classic start menu.
Video performance suffers greatly when Aero is disabled.
When will (MS) learn that people need functionality to work? I'm sick and tired of all these arguments about screen savers, themes, and pretty buttons! Leave that crap up to the software makers if you want a "pretty" UI. Some of us actually do...um...work with our computers, thank you!