"They hate our way of life"

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
"They hate our way of life"

Oderint dum metuant.

Negligere quid de se quisque sentiat, non solum arrogantis est, sed etiam omnino dissoluti.

Hate to break it to you, but those that control "They" and Obl are not the world. When "They" are free to find out what "they" really believe,,, then I will give a sh!t what "they" think....

Oderint dum metuant.

That doesn't make much sense.

Did it ever occur to you that what's good for America isn't necessarily good for the entire world? This "I don't give a ****" attitude personifies the very issue at hand.

Cicero and Caligula are no more and neither is the Imperium Romanum. There is a lesson in it for the judicious. Nothing is eternal except God alone.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Read OBL's "letter to America" and the very first, the FIRST reasons he mentions are:

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

(a) You attacked us in Palestine

(b) You attacked us in Somalia

(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.

Us, us, us, ours, ours, ours...:roll:
<------Wonders if Obl knows the entire history of Muhammad's Island?
<------Wonders how many millions and millions were slaughtered in the historical process of creating their holy places?
<------Wonders how many civilizations and religions were exterminated in the same process?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Read OBL's "letter to America" and the very first, the FIRST reasons he mentions are:

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

(a) You attacked us in Palestine

(b) You attacked us in Somalia



(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.

He then goes on to describe why we are a morally bankrupt and corrupt nation. But in order for you to skip over all of the above and move right into the sex, drugs and rock'n'roll that Osama also hates, you'd have to have your head wedged tightly into a large hole in the ground.

Thanks for saying it, everyone pay attention because THESE are the real reason. OBL hates "The West" not "The world" - and mainly because of 1, E, and G.

Fvck Obl. I respect the life of Jewishish people and respect their goal of self-determination.

Evolution has rules. Place your bets. Heh...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Read OBL's "letter to America" and the very first, the FIRST reasons he mentions are:

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

(a) You attacked us in Palestine

(b) You attacked us in Somalia



(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.

He then goes on to describe why we are a morally bankrupt and corrupt nation. But in order for you to skip over all of the above and move right into the sex, drugs and rock'n'roll that Osama also hates, you'd have to have your head wedged tightly into a large hole in the ground.

Thanks for saying it, everyone pay attention because THESE are the real reason. OBL hates "The West" not "The world" - and mainly because of 1, E, and G.

Fvck Obl. I respect the life of Jewishish people and respect their goal of self-determination.

Evolution has rules. Place your bets. Heh...

Jewishish?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Read OBL's "letter to America" and the very first, the FIRST reasons he mentions are:

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

(a) You attacked us in Palestine

(b) You attacked us in Somalia



(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.

He then goes on to describe why we are a morally bankrupt and corrupt nation. But in order for you to skip over all of the above and move right into the sex, drugs and rock'n'roll that Osama also hates, you'd have to have your head wedged tightly into a large hole in the ground.

Thanks for saying it, everyone pay attention because THESE are the real reason. OBL hates "The West" not "The world" - and mainly because of 1, E, and G.

Fvck Obl. I respect the life of Jewishish people and respect their goal of self-determination.

Evolution has rules. Place your bets. Heh...

Jewishish?

Mistakeish. First one this century.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So, one more time -- let me ask you if you now understand why al Qaeda attacked us?

One more time, why he attacked us does not matter. He also set out conditions. Acutally they are more than conditions, they are demands.

Why he attacked us doesn't matter? Are you insane? Of course it matters.

Not in regards to "they hate our way of life," which is, you know, the topic of this thread. Once again, focusing on the reasons why he attacked us is moving the goalposts and is a diversion from the main thrust of what's being said.

There's no way in hell I'm going to become a Muslim or comply with any of his other demands. So what is his reply?

Me either. So of course his reply is a big "F you, buddy!"

I'm not quote getting you in that reply.

"If you fail to respond to all these conditions, then prepare for fight with the Islamic Nation."

Well, we were already in a fight with the "Islamic Nation," or at least OBL's version of it, as soon as he attacked us. So to say if we don't comply with his conditions prepare for a fight seems rather redundant.

Not really. His letter explains clearly that even if we withdraw from the ME and stopped everything he listed as his reasons for attacking us, we'd still have to fight.

The basic premise of this topic is that 'they hate our way of life.' That is true, there's no denying it, and trying to wiggle out of that by caveating the situation doesn't change that fact.

And as I've said, let them hate so long as they leave us the hell alone.

That the problem. They didn't leave us alone. And if we don't all become Muslims and bow down to this turd, we are supposed prepared to fight.

And why are you being a topic nazi? Certainly we're all free to bring up other points, which is what I'm trying to do here. Very, very relevant points. And considering the OP seems to be in agreement with me here in the sense that "hating us for our freedoms" is an overly-simplistic and myopic PoV, I think that should be allowed.

Don't you?

Because you're trying to use another point to pretend it invalidates the main point when it doesn't. They do hate our way of life.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Because you're trying to use another point to pretend it invalidates the main point when it doesn't. They do hate our way of life.

That erroneous presumption is why we are doing so miserably in "the war on terror".

Even the Pentagon knows it's bullsh!t, or in this case, chickensh!t.

For those of you who obviously missed it...

'They hate our policies, not our freedom'

Pentagon report contains major criticisms of administration.
by Tom Regan | csmonitor.com

Late on the Wednesday afternoon before the Thanksgiving holiday, the US Defense Department confirmed the contents of a report by the Defense Science Board that is highly critical of the administration's efforts in the war on terror and in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The report had been originally placed on the DSB's website in early November.

'Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies [the report says]. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.'

 

[db]

We meddle in the Middle East, and we support Israel. Of course they hate us.
What good has it done to support Israel? We give more money to them than any other country, and have been doing so for almost 30 years.
I will hand it to the Israelis though, they know how to organise. Their influence in DC is utterly amazing.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Un-Perm-ban-CAD

CAD was perma banned???????

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Un-Perm-ban-CAD

CAD was perma banned???????

I doubt it.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Because you're trying to use another point to pretend it invalidates the main point when it doesn't. They do hate our way of life.

And yet "hating our way of life" gets you no closer to the reason why they attacked. Osama has made it extremely simple for you to understand and yet you seem content to go around in circles.

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

Only the truly delusional would fail to recognize this point. Or are you going to simply repeat your little mantra over and over?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Because you're trying to use another point to pretend it invalidates the main point when it doesn't. They do hate our way of life.

That erroneous presumption is why we are doing so miserably in "the war on terror".

Even the Pentagon knows it's bullsh!t, or in this case, chickensh!t.

For those of you who obviously missed it...

'They hate our policies, not our freedom'

Pentagon report contains major criticisms of administration.
by Tom Regan | csmonitor.com

Late on the Wednesday afternoon before the Thanksgiving holiday, the US Defense Department confirmed the contents of a report by the Defense Science Board that is highly critical of the administration's efforts in the war on terror and in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The report had been originally placed on the DSB's website in early November.

'Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies [the report says]. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.'

I'll remind you once again. From one of my first posts in this thread:

They - and to define "they," we are talking about the Islamic militant extremists and not all Muslims - do hate our way of life. Anyone who wants to deny that is turning a blind eye to the truth.

RIF

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Un-Perm-ban-CAD

CAD was perma banned???????

I "think" he was.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Because you're trying to use another point to pretend it invalidates the main point when it doesn't. They do hate our way of life.

And yet "hating our way of life" gets you no closer to the reason why they attacked. Osama has made it extremely simple for you to understand and yet you seem content to go around in circles.

Excuse me? "Makes it simple to understand?" WTF.

This difference between us, obviously, is that you buy into his bullsh!t and I don't. I understand perfectly what he's saying. I just don't agree with him. ymmv, and seemingly does.

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

Only the truly delusional would fail to recognize this point. Or are you going to simply repeat your little mantra over and over?

The truly delusional?

Uh huh. :rolleyes;

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Un-Perm-ban-CAD

CAD was perma banned???????

I "think" he was.

No thinking to it, he is permabanned.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Un-Perm-ban-CAD

CAD was perma banned???????

Yes. RIP. I guess it was because they hate our way of life. Oh, the Irony. Heh heh...

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: StormRider
Somehow it doesn't seem right that Muslims can immigrate to other countries, build mosques, and convert other people to their religion but when we have bases in Saudi Arabia as a detterent to Sadam invading Kuwait, that's not okay.

Irony is when the perceived meaning of a statement is the opposite of the intended meaning.