Then you are AGAINST protecting individual rights, and FOR the rights of bigots to harm others with discrimination - against marriage, segregation, and more. Moral scum.
Then you are AGAINST protecting individual rights, and FOR the rights of bigots to harm others with discrimination - against marriage, segregation, and more. Moral scum.
jackstar7
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I think the 14th Amendment has something to say about your view of local government.
zinfamous
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News flash: A gay couple that wants to get married will not seek a gay marriage at a biggoted institution.
There is essentially zero reason to institute a bill that aims to "protect" something that needs no protection.
Bigots run and hide behind the law, shortly after arguing that the law is out to get them by disallowing their freedom to practice bigotry. It's an amazing logical step. one that can only be concocted by dumbfucks.
There is essentially zero reason to institute a bill that aims to "protect" something that needs no protection.
Bigots run and hide behind the law, shortly after arguing that the law is out to get them by disallowing their freedom to practice bigotry. It's an amazing logical step. one that can only be concocted by dumbfucks.
zinfamous
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where in the constitution are the rights of a minority group considered protected under a majority vote?
You do understand why this nation was not conceived to be a democracy, correct?
State's rights = Jim Crow. no way to escape what it means in practice, because we have already seen this.
zsdersw
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Other than the lack of necessity, I have no problem with this bill, to be honest. If I were living in Iowa, I wouldn't want to be a customer to a business or be a part of any organization that had a problem with my sexuality. I'll take my money, time, and labor elsewhere.
If a business or organization wants to refuse people because they're gay, I say let them... they'll be about as successful as a professional basketball or football team that doesn't allow black players, a car company that won't sell minivans and SUVs to women, a WalMart that doesn't let fat people in, or a gun store that refuses to sell ammo to hunters.
If a business or organization wants to refuse people because they're gay, I say let them... they'll be about as successful as a professional basketball or football team that doesn't allow black players, a car company that won't sell minivans and SUVs to women, a WalMart that doesn't let fat people in, or a gun store that refuses to sell ammo to hunters.
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No, what reminds me of 1938 Germany is 9/11 and all the crap that followed, like the TSA, Patriot Act, war on terror, and the like.
I agree with the law - within reasonable limits, a person should not be forced to perform actions which are against their religious beliefs.
I agree with the law - within reasonable limits, a person should not be forced to perform actions which are against their religious beliefs.
Throckmorton
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I don't see what the issue with this is... The whole point of same sex marriage is it doesn't affect anybody who isn't getting a same sex marriage.
How does it make sense to force Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc to recognize gay marriages? What next, making Muslims and Jews recognize pork as a valid food?
How does it make sense to force Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc to recognize gay marriages? What next, making Muslims and Jews recognize pork as a valid food?
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I'm actually OK with the OP, so long as the services being offered aren't offered to the public, but instead, only offered to that specific group of people.
If they're offered to the public, then, tough F'ing sh1t you don't like two gays getting "married", put them up in the Inn. For the same price and same service as non-gays.
If they're offered to only your group, then, the gays are just going to have to find another place to sleep that night...along with their money.
Same thing if I wanted to sleep at a place that was owned by blacks and only allowed blacks to stay there. If they didn't want to sell me a room, then, I need to find another place. No hard feelings. People owning their own establishments should be able to do what they want with them if they're private...
Chuck
If they're offered to the public, then, tough F'ing sh1t you don't like two gays getting "married", put them up in the Inn. For the same price and same service as non-gays.
If they're offered to only your group, then, the gays are just going to have to find another place to sleep that night...along with their money.
Same thing if I wanted to sleep at a place that was owned by blacks and only allowed blacks to stay there. If they didn't want to sell me a room, then, I need to find another place. No hard feelings. People owning their own establishments should be able to do what they want with them if they're private...
Chuck
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Not all laws fit all communities. Just because a law is passed, does not mean that the people of that community are going to change their viewpoint overnight.
Should gays be treated equally, yea, I think so.
Should state and local governments be restricted on what laws they should pass - no. Because those laws are a reflection of the opinion of those people.
Not all racial or social groups are going to be treated equally - ever. Its not going to happen. There is no level of social engineering that will ever make it happen.
The best we can hope for is a reduction in the amount of violence that one group inflects on another group.
It does not do any good to approve gay marriage, if they are going to have their house burned down, or beaten when they go into public. The government can pass all the laws they want, but I dont think society is to the point were we can accept openly gay relationships.
While laws that prohibit gay marriages may infringe on gay rights - maybe its for the best, due to people that are willing to inflict physical harm on others. Just because some congress person says its ok for 2 men to get married, does not mean that a group of skin heads is going to respect that relationship.
Maybe its better for congress to say - "its not legal for yall to get married". Then for 2 married gay people to go into public, and receive a beating or live with deaththreats.
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I don't think there is an issue with the bill. I'm in the same boat as chucky2.
It reminds me of the smoking/no smoking bills for bars in certain areas.
Why should every bar be required to provided a non smoking atmosphere?
What is stopping another bar from advertising that they have a non smoking atmophere for those who desire to be in that environment?
What is stopping another bar from advertising that they are a smoking atmosphere for those who desire to be in that environment?
They should be able to market however they choose without legal (civil) suits being filed against them.
Personally, I like freedom. If I have a gun store, and there is a known gang banger who hasn't been convicted, but I feel might be a threat to not only me, and the neighbhorhood, I should be allowed to refuse services to them because of my own personal values. Right or wrong in the eyes of others.
It reminds me of the smoking/no smoking bills for bars in certain areas.
Why should every bar be required to provided a non smoking atmosphere?
What is stopping another bar from advertising that they have a non smoking atmophere for those who desire to be in that environment?
What is stopping another bar from advertising that they are a smoking atmosphere for those who desire to be in that environment?
They should be able to market however they choose without legal (civil) suits being filed against them.
Personally, I like freedom. If I have a gun store, and there is a known gang banger who hasn't been convicted, but I feel might be a threat to not only me, and the neighbhorhood, I should be allowed to refuse services to them because of my own personal values. Right or wrong in the eyes of others.
dpodblood
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This is one of the few examples where the bill would actually provide a positive outcome. I fear though that 99% of the time it will simply be used for rednecks to hide behind and discriminate against anyone they choose.
zsdersw
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Sure it is, and it's trending more in that direction all the time. Offering civil unions for homosexual couples is, for example, supported by a considerable majority of the country.
Government is a poor changer of social norms and behavior, so it's best not to view decisions like this through the lens you're using. Preventing gay marriage isn't going to reduce incidents of violence against homosexuals, so why should those incidents matter when deciding whether to prevent or allow gay marriage?
Texashiker
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If an area is not gay friendly - then keep the gays out by passing anti-gay legislation.
If an area is gay friendly - then pass all the pro-gay laws they want.
I seriously doubt that. Civil unions for homosexual couples might be supported in areas that received the survey. Nobody called my house and asked me if I approve of a gay civil union.
Surveys and statics can lean certain directions by making sure the phone calls go to certain areas that have already been shown to approve of certain things.
sandorski
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jhbball
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Texashiker
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In case you did not know, there are still all black and all white communities all throughout the USA. Just because something is legal / illegal does not changes peoples opinions.
And like I said before - I do not think gay rights should be eroded, but I do support local and state governments rights to pass laws.
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her209
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I don't think they can tell someone certain customers can't patronize a business because of their skin color though.
Texashiker
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Your correct, service an not be denied on race.
But then again, if your race/religion/sexual orientation is not wanted in a community, why go there to start with? All their doing is starting trouble.
sandorski
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Texashiker
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Explain please.
I'am going to guess that you have not been exposed to segregated communities?
sandorski
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Texashiker
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sandorski
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Any retard can post youtube links and claim it's self explanatory, but that doesn't make it so.
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