oh it'd be nice if you did a comparison for it duvie
i'd like to hear from a "reliable" source =)
i'd like to hear from a "reliable" source =)
yeah a lot of thermalright whores who never owned the typhoon will grasp onto their thermalrights and continue to spew their opinions based on their limited experience
im not a fan of thermaltake, most their stuff is "rice" in the computer world...but this typhoon is a "fluke" hit
im not a fan of thermaltake, most their stuff is "rice" in the computer world...but this typhoon is a "fluke" hit
OK, I just received a Thermaltake Big Typhoon. Can anyone tell me if my observations are worth worrying about?
The H bracket does not mount rigidly to the top of the heat sink. The center bar of the H just sits in a "slot" on top of the heat sink. This means that the torque supplied by the moment arm (refered to earlier in this string of posts) is rotating about the center of the H bracket on top of the heat sink. That is, the whole thing wants to twist around the center of the H, which is held fixed over the top of the CPU.
I'm concerned that there is more pressure being applied to the lower side of the CPU than to the upper side (when the motherboard is in the vertical position). How much pressure [or pressure differential] can an LGA775 CPU's contacts handle?
Thakns!
The H bracket does not mount rigidly to the top of the heat sink. The center bar of the H just sits in a "slot" on top of the heat sink. This means that the torque supplied by the moment arm (refered to earlier in this string of posts) is rotating about the center of the H bracket on top of the heat sink. That is, the whole thing wants to twist around the center of the H, which is held fixed over the top of the CPU.
I'm concerned that there is more pressure being applied to the lower side of the CPU than to the upper side (when the motherboard is in the vertical position). How much pressure [or pressure differential] can an LGA775 CPU's contacts handle?
Thakns!
Originally posted by: n7
I just got the TT Big Typhoon on Sunday...& yeah, it's frickin' awesome.
Silent, & it gave me a 10C drop in temps vs. my old Zalman 7000
What's your opinion on the weight and how it might torque your motherboard?
I'm concerned that if I had this cooler and transported my computer in my car to a friends for a LAN party that even if I layed it on its side, the bumps in the car might cause this thing to torque the board enough to do some damage. I suspect that if you didn't lay your PC on its side while transporting it that you would end up with your motherboard in two pieces after you arrived.
Any thoughts?
n7
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Hmm, interesting angle.
I guess it might not be ideal for portability, but with my setup anyway, it's actually quite solid; i have no concerns with it damaging the mobo or anything.
Yes, it was a tad awkward fitting in on, & it takes up a lot of space.
Overall though, i am very satisfied.
I guess it might not be ideal for portability, but with my setup anyway, it's actually quite solid; i have no concerns with it damaging the mobo or anything.
Yes, it was a tad awkward fitting in on, & it takes up a lot of space.
Overall though, i am very satisfied.
I was wondering about this too. Then I remembered my first P4 Socket 478 install, with the stock Intel heatsink and fan, and how the motherboard would bend as the arms on their "thermal solution" were cammed over. I looked it up on the Intel website and they actually spec'ed how much the motherboard is supposed to bend when the heatsink is installed. But that was a ZIF socket and this is an LGA775. I'm not as much concerned with the motherboard as I am with the load placed on the CPU and motherboard contacts. The bottom screws of the "H" bracket aren't really carrying any load. All of the downward torque is being placed on the CPU.
I'll give another opinion that there are some *very* good alternative options outside of Thermalright options.
Heck currently, a build with a Antec P180 case and Asetek Vapochill Micro Ultra Low Noise has the AMD 2.5ghz at load at 40C or less under load... Pretty damn good. And it's less than 500g including fan -- about 460g if I remember right
I will say these are preliminary results atm - airflow hasn't been optimised including the fan currently isn't spinning at full.
One piece of advice for anyone tempted by the Asetek - goto their website and use the DFi installation procedure for ALL motherboards - it helps get a much mroe secure contact and lower temps.
Once I've done full testing I might post a small review.
Heck currently, a build with a Antec P180 case and Asetek Vapochill Micro Ultra Low Noise has the AMD 2.5ghz at load at 40C or less under load... Pretty damn good. And it's less than 500g including fan -- about 460g if I remember right
I will say these are preliminary results atm - airflow hasn't been optimised including the fan currently isn't spinning at full.
One piece of advice for anyone tempted by the Asetek - goto their website and use the DFi installation procedure for ALL motherboards - it helps get a much mroe secure contact and lower temps.
Once I've done full testing I might post a small review.
JEDIYoda
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what I find interesting is alot of bantering back and forth but let me ask how many of you own the Big Typhoon?
Thus speculation is just that!
Also people spout well the facts are....
No unless you pown that particular heatsink you have no right telling anybody what the facts are!
Yes you are entitled to your opinion.
Then the doozy of all doozys...
Chinkgai--this hsf has been in use at xtreme systems for months and months now...most people there agree it will outdo the thermalrights, unless the thermalrights were paired with very high cfm fans, then it may even out a bit...but at the expense of noise...
lol....an expert based on what?
There are as many peeps at Extreme Systems using the XP120 who swear by it as there are using the Big Typhoon....go figure....
Also a side note-- Yoiu mean the people who participate in these forums are a lesser life form than the ones at Extreme Systems?
Too funny.......
Then can we say <--- Zalman 9500 at 5 volts -- 27c idle......lol
Thought not!!
Have a great week!!
Thus speculation is just that!
Also people spout well the facts are....
No unless you pown that particular heatsink you have no right telling anybody what the facts are!
Yes you are entitled to your opinion.
Then the doozy of all doozys...
Chinkgai--this hsf has been in use at xtreme systems for months and months now...most people there agree it will outdo the thermalrights, unless the thermalrights were paired with very high cfm fans, then it may even out a bit...but at the expense of noise...
lol....an expert based on what?
There are as many peeps at Extreme Systems using the XP120 who swear by it as there are using the Big Typhoon....go figure....
Also a side note-- Yoiu mean the people who participate in these forums are a lesser life form than the ones at Extreme Systems?
Too funny.......
Then can we say <--- Zalman 9500 at 5 volts -- 27c idle......lol
Thought not!!
Have a great week!!
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
what I find interesting is alot of bantering back and forth but let me ask how many of you own the Big Typhoon?
Thus speculation is just that!
Also people spout well the fatc are....
No unless you pown that particular heatsink you have no right telling anybody what the facts are!
Yes you are entitled to your opinion.
Then the doozy of all doozys...
Chinkgai--this hsf has been in use at xtreme systems for months and months now...most people there agree it will outdo the thermalrights, unless the thermalrights were paired with very high cfm fans, then it may even out a bit...but at the expense of noise...
lol....an expert based on what?
There are as many peeps at Extreme Systems using the XP120 who swear by it as there are using the Big Typhoon....go figure....
Also a side note-- Yoiu mean the people who participate in these forums are a lesser life form than the ones at Extreme Systems?
Too funny.......
Then can we say <--- Zalman 9500 at 5 volts -- 27c idle......lol
Thought not!!
Have a great week!!
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Thermalright XP-120
(presently testing 9500--idle at 27c)
ASUS P4P800 Deluxe
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Gigabyte 6800GT w/zalman Fan
1024 megs DDR 3500 memory
1-120 mm fan
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1- zip 250 drive
1- Sony DVD RW
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Looking at your sig that temperature might seem more due to your case setup - airflow and sheer amount of fans I might suggest: 7 x 80mm fans and 1 x 120mm fans and that's not including CPU, video and maybe PSU?? and this is on a modified case - ducting at a guess?
Also, load is where it really counts although I'm sure you're still getting great temps given your CPU - although you'd probably benefit from 7/9V at that point.
Well, if you really want my opinion I don't quite know what all the fuss over CPu coolers really is - case temps and airflow play a far bigger deal than an (expensive) CPU cooler. Great CPU withy crap case airflow = crap cooling. Crap CPU cooler (but that still makes it halfway decent) with great cooling = rather decent cooling.
Heck removing the hardrive case at the front of the P180 case I did recentl dropped temps by about 2C - as big or a bigger difference than you're arguing over.
If they had had the Big Typhoon in stock I might have bought it - but that was only because it was only a little over half price of a Thermalright + decent fan or Zalman 9500. However, for the build I ended up doing I went with the Asetek just because it was only 3/5s the cost of a Thermalright or Zalman 9500 solution.
Focus on getting decent airflow first I reckon, then focus on a cooler. Until then chill people - it's not worth it!
JEDIYoda
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[/quote]
Originally posted by Diasper--
Looking at your sig that temperature might seem more due to your case setup - airflow and sheer amount of fans I might suggest: 7 x 80mm fans and 1 x 120mm fans and that's not including CPU, video and maybe PSU?? and this is on a modified case - ducting at a guess?
Also, load is where it really counts although I'm sure you're still getting great temps given your CPU - although you'd probably benefit from 7/9V at that point.
Well, if you really want my opinion I don't quite know what all the fuss over CPu coolers really is - case temps and airflow play a far bigger deal than an (expensive) CPU cooler. Great CPU withy crap case airflow = crap cooling. Crap CPU cooler (but that still makes it halfway decent) with great cooling = rather decent cooling.
Heck removing the hardrive case at the front of the P180 case I did recentl dropped temps by about 2C - as big or a bigger difference than you're arguing over.
If they had had the Big Typhoon in stock I might have bought it - but that was only because it was only a little over half price of a Thermalright + decent fan or Zalman 9500. However, for the build I ended up doing I went with the Asetek just because it was only 3/5s the cost of a Thermalright or Zalman 9500 solution.
Focus on getting decent airflow first I reckon, then focus on a cooler. Until then chill people - it's not worth it![/quote]
I would agree on all those statements....
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the heatsink you bought for your system!
Your happy thats all that counts!!
Yet with that said....
I will be eliminating 6 fans and replacing them with 2-coolmaster 120mm fans!!
As we speak I am only using 1 rear 120 mm exhaust and 2- 80 mm fans up front and one side panel 80mm fan all as intake!!
So I am still getting fantastic temps with my Zalman 9500!!
Let us know what you think of the Asetec after you have used it for a while!!
Have a nice week!!
Amen! For air cooling, it's all about having cool air available in your case to cool the CPU with. You could have a fricken turbo fan from an F14 on your CPU heatsink and it isn't going to do anything but make a lot of noise if it's just recirculating hot air inside the case.
Ambient temperature inside the case is ABSOLUTELY critical and any claim to termperature is meaningless without reference to ambient... We can't assume that everyone's ambient temperature is the same.
It kills me how one guy will say that he thinks there's something wrong with his processor when he's getting load temps of 60-degrees - what's your ambient? I bet it's like 40-degrees in the case! Same goes for the guy who claims he has load temps in the 40's... he's probably freezing his ass off in an air-conditioned server room with an open case at 19-degrees. Apples and Oranges!
JEDIYoda
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actually your totally wrong in what you state concerning--Ambient temperature inside the case is ABSOLUTELY critical and any claim to termperature is meaningless without reference to ambient... We can't assume that everyone's ambient temperature is the same.
has nothing to do with ambient temps in the case...
It has alot to do with ambient temperatures outside the case...becuase thats where your cold air comes from!!
Inside the case you have heat from almost every thing in the case...h/d`s...memory....CPU....etc.....
My ambient temp outside my case is usually almost year around in the mid 60`s to low 70`s......farenhiet.....
Have a nice Day!!
has nothing to do with ambient temps in the case...
It has alot to do with ambient temperatures outside the case...becuase thats where your cold air comes from!!
Inside the case you have heat from almost every thing in the case...h/d`s...memory....CPU....etc.....
My ambient temp outside my case is usually almost year around in the mid 60`s to low 70`s......farenhiet.....
Have a nice Day!!
I'm a big fan of the Typhoon. My temps with the stock HSF was 46 idle / 58 load, now I am at 42 idle / 49 load, load meaning two instances of Prime 95.
After mounting to my board (15 minutes total including removing and reinstalling MB from case), it seems very secure, although I'm sure if I was moving the case around I would take extra caution. I screwed it down just enuf so it did not move (you can just begin to tell that "H-bracket" you are tightening is bending slightly). I tried a gentle twist and it did not seem too budge, so I stopped there.
Pic of the HSF mounted to my board
http://www.hargrove.ws/photodump/Typhoon.jpg
Pic of the H-bracket with just the slightest amount of bend to it in the middle
http://www.hargrove.ws/photodump/mount2.jpg
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AMD Athlon X2 3800+ (@ 2.5 GHz - 10 x 250MHz FSB, 4x multi)
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1 GB PQI Turbo PC3200 and 512MB Ultra PC3200 (w/DDR333 mem divider)
eVGA GeForce FX 5200 - 128MB
120GB WD SATA - 2nd drive is 160GB WD PATA
Windows XP Pro
After mounting to my board (15 minutes total including removing and reinstalling MB from case), it seems very secure, although I'm sure if I was moving the case around I would take extra caution. I screwed it down just enuf so it did not move (you can just begin to tell that "H-bracket" you are tightening is bending slightly). I tried a gentle twist and it did not seem too budge, so I stopped there.
Pic of the HSF mounted to my board
http://www.hargrove.ws/photodump/Typhoon.jpg
Pic of the H-bracket with just the slightest amount of bend to it in the middle
http://www.hargrove.ws/photodump/mount2.jpg
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Originally posted by: n7
I just got the TT Big Typhoon on Sunday...& yeah, it's frickin' awesome.
Silent, & it gave me a 10C drop in temps vs. my old Zalman 7000
I'm running a Zalman 7000 myself...you're really making me want to take the plunge, when I don't even have any money
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
actually your totally wrong in what you state concerning--Ambient temperature inside the case is ABSOLUTELY critical and any claim to termperature is meaningless without reference to ambient... We can't assume that everyone's ambient temperature is the same.
has nothing to do with ambient temps in the case...
It has alot to do with ambient temperatures outside the case...becuase thats where your cold air comes from!!
Inside the case you have heat from almost every thing in the case...h/d`s...memory....CPU....etc.....
My ambient temp outside my case is usually almost year around in the mid 60`s to low 70`s......farenhiet.....
Have a nice Day!!
While I do agree that ambient temps outside the case are important, they are only important if you are properly drawing and exhausting air through your case. If your case is sealed up as tight as a drum, it doesn't matter how cool it is in the room, your case ambient temperature is going to be mighty hot and your cooling efficiency for your CPU is going to suck big!
I think we agree that a properly vented case with good draw/exhaust to control internal case temperatures and a reasonable room temperature are all important.
Cheers.
i'd really like to know how close the TT Typhoon comes to side window in various cases. could any1 who has it please post how much room they have between the Typhoon fan and the side window? i'd really appreciate, as would any1 else who's worried their case may be too narrow!
thanks!
thanks!
I'm also curious to know. If it comes close to the side window, it would be ideal to cut a hole there to allow airflow in/out there for the CPU fan. In fact, a number of cases have fans in this location on the side for just this purpose and you may be able to remove them from your case and just keep the opening there for the typhoon.
The more I read the boards the more I'm tempted to replace my Arctic Freezer 64. It's perfectly good and gives me decent temps. So why do I feel the need to replace it...???
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