There's no downside in believing in GOD -> Pascal's Wager

[MJinZ]

I believe i will wake up in the morning, i don't know it.

See how very simple this concept really is? It's the same with an agnostic atheist, i don't believe in a god but i can't absolutely know there is not one.

Dawkins and Hitchens are examples of agnostic atheists, they don't believe but they don't claim to have absolute knowledge either.

I can't understand how you cannot get such an extremely simple concept that most of humanity including you live with every single day.

Did you read the rest of the thread? Dawkins is NOT A FUCKING AGNOSTIC ATHEIST.

He will tell you, with a straight face, that he is ATHEIST and to not put a fucking "Agnostic" in front to describe them like you are a child incapable of getting passed the face value of a word.

Agnostics are Agnostics, the word is USELESS to describe Atheists or Theists, because no one "KNOWS" for certainty unless they are insane or delusional.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You haven't demonstrated anything. In every instance, you appeal to some sort of authority and basically resort to an attack on character. 🙄 This isn't too surprising considering all of your posts are similar in presentation. Laughably, it's YOUR arguments (or lack thereof), that are simply by assertion.

He has told you in more ways than should ever be needed, you are just too hellbent on being right to admit that you know you are wrong because there is no way in hell anyone stupid enough not to get it can use a computer.

There comes a time when you shold be humble and understand and admit that you are wrong, for you that isn't now, wasn't one or ten posts ago, it was several threads ago.

Now shut the fuck up and accept that reality trumphs your percieved meaning of words.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Did you read the rest of the thread? Dawkins is NOT A FUCKING AGNOSTIC ATHEIST.

He will tell you, with a straight face, that he is ATHEIST and to not put a "fucking" Agnostic in front to describe them like you are a child incapable of getting passed the face value of a word.

Agnostics are Agnostics, the word is USELESS to describe Atheists or Theists, because no one "KNOWS" for certainty unless they are insane or delusional.

He is an Atheist, without a doubt, one that doesn't say anything else than that he would change his mind if there was evidence for a god.

Thus, he is a weak atheist or an agnostic atheist, that is, an atheist that doesn't purport to absolutely know there is no god.

An agonstic is one that claims no knowledge of god, PER FUCKING DEFINITION.

An atheist is one that doesn't believe in a god PER FUCKING DEFINITION.

Does lack of belief imply knowledge about an existance of a god? Of course not.

So what do you call an Atheist without knowledge about a god? An agnostic atheist.

That you cannot understand the meaning of words or how different terms mean different things must make your life very difficult, eh?

Just shut the fuck up now.

 

[MJinZ]

Right. 🙄

No where is (2) implicit in that statement.

Not necessarily True = Possibly FALSE. English motherfucker. Do you speak it?

Rational human beings also recognize that "I do not believe X is true and justified" is not equivalent to "I believe X is probabilistically not true." You are obviously not among the set of rational human beings.

WTF? I think you are speaking a different language. To NOT believe/Disbelieve the truth value of something is to believe there is probability of FALSENESS/NOT TRUE.

Maybe it would help you see the distinction if I wrote it this way:

I believe the idea that we reincarnate is true, but I do not believe that it is (true and justified). I believe it to be true, while acknowledging that I cannot demonstrate justification for its truth. That's why it's simply a belief, not knowledge. I don't say that I know we reincarnate after we die. I simply believe it.

This has nothing to do with belief and knowledge. Belief itself is something a person holds to be TRUE.

You just said that you hold that Reincarnation is true, yet do not believe it is true or justified.

YOU JUST FUCKING CONTRADICTED YOURSELF. 🙄

You're a regular strawman factory, aren't you? None of the above accurately characterizes my position. Try again.

Ooooh, look more assertions with no backup.

The final statement is not equivalent to the negative, which is precisely the error in your understanding. You cannot logically derive "I believe not-X" from "I do not believe X."

What the hell are you talking about? I just used your example. YOU said:

"This is not someone that is "lacking knowledge of an existence, yet purports to believe in the negative." It is someone that does not believe in the affirmative. Those two are not equivalent, yet you treat them as though they were, because you are an ignorant and peurile moron."

To not believe in the affirmative is exactly "I do not believe - X".

I said:

Affirmative: One or more Gods exist.

Negative: "One or more Gods do not exist"

Not belief of the Affirmative: "I don't believe one or more Gods exists"

Explain what it means to be of the opinion: "I don't believe one or more Gods exist".

Explain that that is different than One or more Gods do not exist.

Both beliefs result in a net existence of Gods to be exactly ZERO.

You can't.

Wrong as it ever was.

Excellent counterpoint!!!!!

 

[zinfamous]

Jesus, are you guys serious? How do you not know these things?

 

[MJinZ]

LMFAO, holy fucking clueless. Class, let's learn something today:

He is an Atheist, without a doubt, one that doesn't say anything else than that he would change his mind if there was evidence for a god.

Thus, he is a weak atheist or an agnostic atheist

Who the fuck is a weak Atheist? Richard Dawkins? Holy shit he'd probably kick your ass for calling him a weak Atheist.

that is, an atheist that doesn't purport to absolutely know there is no god.

Hey smartass, why don't you let his book "The God Delusion" do the talking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability

He purports to know there is no God as much as a Theist purports to know there IS a God.

An agonstic is one that claims no knowledge of god, PER FUCKING DEFINITION.

Who's definition? Yours? Cerpin's? All you pseudo-intellectual bloggers?

Try the generally held definition. Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date: 1869
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
— ag·nos·ti·cism \-t&#601;-&#716;si-z&#601;m\ noun

Holy fuck, you are wrong? How can this be? 🙄

Oh shit, I know how. Class, let's see where he got the idea that Agnostic has to do with knowledge!

The word Gnosis is A greek word for "knowledge". The definition, in ENGLISH motherfuckers, is specifically Godly or Spiritual Knowledge. Oh I know, let's ignore the historic use of Gnosis and Gnosticism, which spans centuries of scholarly pursuit, and use its greek root as if it actually MAKES FUCKING SENSE!!

That is SOOO convenient because we can just "A-" in front and have Knowledge and Without Knowledge. Trololol! I'll start a blog and make people believe in my BULLSHIT!!!

Success!!!

🙄

An atheist is one that doesn't believe in a god PER FUCKING DEFINITION.

Class, he got one right.

Does lack of belief imply knowledge about an existance of a god? Of course not.

Hell fucking yes! I'll see Quarks. Do you know what a Quark is? Well? Do you?

I did not fucking thing so. You LACK belief in Quarks because you have NO knowledge of Quarks. Can you figure the rest out?

So what do you call an Atheist without knowledge about a god? An agnostic atheist.

An Atheist without knowledge of God is a fucking retard. To not know anything about God while actively trying to debunk or deny the God is IMPOSSIBLE. All Atheists know of the concept of God or Gods and the religions they entail, the power God/Gods would hold, and it's effect on humans. From THAT, is where they are able to derive arguments for Atheism that debate the non-existence of God.

That you cannot understand the meaning of words or how different terms mean different things must make your life very difficult, eh?

Just shut the fuck up now.

I concur.

Class dismissed.

 

[MJinZ]

We can have a serious convo on this if anyone cares to.

The penis bends in many ways due to several reasons:

Scar tissue (trauma)
The way someone stimulates the penis
Birth defects

Lots of penile issues result in the way it is used and/or damaged.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I'm to retarded to understand common language and meanings of it.

Son, this discussion ended a long time ago, everyone but you agree on these premises of how it works.

You are fucking retarded.

If you EVER manage to cheat a girl to go out on a date, make sure she doesn't get close to any sharp objects because your personality is one that will make ANYONE want to stab you in your face and i'm surprised your mum haven't already.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Not necessarily True = Possibly FALSE. English motherfucker. Do you speak it?

I do. Do you? I said not true AND JUSTIFIED. Do you know what that means?

WTF? I think you are speaking a different language. To NOT believe/Disbelieve the truth value of something is to believe there is probability of FALSENESS/NOT TRUE.

False. You cannot derive "I believe not-X" from "I do not believe X." If you believe otherwise you are invited to post your derivation.

This has nothing to do with belief and knowledge. Belief itself is something a person holds to be TRUE.

You just said that you hold that Reincarnation is true, yet do not believe it is true or justified.

True AND justified. Learn to read.

YOU JUST FUCKING CONTRADICTED YOURSELF. 🙄

Nope. You just can't keep up.

What the hell are you talking about? I just used your example. YOU said:

"This is not someone that is "lacking knowledge of an existence, yet purports to believe in the negative." It is someone that does not believe in the affirmative. Those two are not equivalent, yet you treat them as though they were, because you are an ignorant and peurile moron."

To not believe in the affirmative is exactly "I do not believe - X".

I said:

Affirmative: One or more Gods exist.

Negative: "One or more Gods do not exist"

Not belief of the Affirmative: "I don't believe one or more Gods exists"

Explain what it means to be of the opinion: "I don't believe one or more Gods exist".

Explain that that is different than One or more Gods do not exist.

Both beliefs result in a net existence of Gods to be exactly ZERO.

A simple demonstration: The star Rigel may have a number of planets. We don't know. It may have 10 planets. It may have zero planets. I do not believe that the star as 2 planets -- I have no evidence that it does. Likewise, I do not believe the star has 3 planets. I do not believe that the star 4 planets. I do not believe that the star has zero planets.

You cannot deduce that I must believe there exist zero planets orbiting Rigel from the simple fact that I do not believe there are one or more planets in orbit around Rigel. Identically, you cannot deduce that I must believe there exist zero gods from the fact that I do not believe there exist one or more.

You can't.

I already did. You treat "I do not believe X" as equivalent to "I believe not-X." That is a false equivalence. I'll just keep repeating it until you realize it, or even more hilariously, attempt to demonstrate the contrary.

Excellent counterpoint!!!!!

The facts remain.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You haven't demonstrated anything.

Given your obvious disability to accurately apprehend facts, this accusation of yours rings more than a little hollow.

In every instance, you appeal to some sort of authority...

...says the guy that tried to invoke Richard Dawkins as the dictator of atheist beliefs.

...and basically resort to an attack on character.

Truth is a legitimate defense against accusations of slander.

🙄 This isn't too surprising considering all of your posts are similar in presentation. Laughably, it's YOUR arguments (or lack thereof), that are simply by assertion.

Now you're just projecting.

 

[totalnoob]

Mjin gets his ass handed to him again, and yet again his skull is too thick for reality to penetrate. What a sad, stubborn little man.

 

[datalink7]

LMFAO, holy fucking clueless. Class, let's learn something today:



Who the fuck is a weak Atheist? Richard Dawkins? Holy shit he'd probably kick your ass for calling him a weak Atheist.



Hey smartass, why don't you let his book "The God Delusion" do the talking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability

Hey, if you're going to quote wikipedia I'll do it too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

Defining Agnosticism:

Agnosticism often overlaps with other belief systems. Agnostic theists identify themselves both as agnostics and as followers of particular religions, viewing agnosticism as a framework for thinking about the nature of belief and their relation to revealed truths. Some nonreligious people, such as author Philip Pullman, identify as both agnostic and atheist.[6]

 

[sandorski]

We can have a serious convo on this if anyone cares to.

The penis bends in many ways due to several reasons:

Scar tissue (trauma)
The way someone stimulates the penis
Birth defects

Lots of penile issues result in the way it is used and/or damaged.

You missed the biggest factor:Genetics.

 

[bfdd]

We can have a serious convo on this if anyone cares to.

The penis bends in many ways due to several reasons:

Scar tissue (trauma)
The way someone stimulates the penis
Birth defects

Lots of penile issues result in the way it is used and/or damaged.

for the love of god please start that thread.

 

[MJinZ]

You missed the biggest factor:Genetics.

Birth defects as a result of genetics.

I am not aware of any genetic disorders that cause this after birth...

 

[sandorski]

Birth defects as a result of genetics.

I am not aware of any genetic disorders that cause this after birth...

No, not Birth Defects. Penises are like any other Body Part, they vary greatly. Some are Straight, some are curved, and there's a billion variations between.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Birth defects as a result of genetics.

I am not aware of any genetic disorders that cause this after birth...

Wow, you are a retard of unmeasured proportions.

Here, let me get out my starscope and measure it, it's 4.2 lighyears.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

for the love of god please start that thread.

Well, a course in breaking your penis seems kinda... stupid.

Perhaps it's because he masturbates his very small penis with his thumb and index finger and has found that eventually the foreskin let go which led him to the belief that his penis is now broken.

Perhaps it's his excuse since no sane human being would even want to be close to him, who knows..

 

[MJinZ]

I do. Do you? I said not true AND JUSTIFIED. Do you know what that means?

Holy shit, DO YOU KNOW WTF THAT MEANS?

LMFAO, Justified is a reason.

So you have NO REASON to believe in Reincarnation. You do not believe in the truth of Reincarnation. Yet you believe in Reincarnation.

You are a fucking moron at the very least.

False. You cannot derive "I believe not-X" from "I do not believe X." If you believe otherwise you are invited to post your derivation.

I JUST FUCKING DID MORON.

I believe there are NOT one or more Gods. This equates to a belief in exactly 0 GODS.

I don't believe there are one or more Gods. This equates to a belief in exactly 0 GODS.

Can you explain the difference?

Like I said, you CAN'T, genius.

True AND justified. Learn to read.

WTF does this have to do with anything? Where the fuck did you pull "justified" out of your ass? Truth has nothing to do with Justification. Truth can be truth, even if you can't pull a single reason for it.

A simple demonstration: The star Rigel may have a number of planets. We don't know. It may have 10 planets. It may have zero planets. I do not believe that the star as 2 planets -- I have no evidence that it does. Likewise, I do not believe the star has 3 planets. I do not believe that the star 4 planets. I do not believe that the star has zero planets.

You cannot deduce that I must believe there exist zero planets orbiting Rigel from the simple fact that I do not believe there are one or more planets in orbit around Rigel. Identically, you cannot deduce that I must believe there exist zero gods from the fact that I do not believe there exist one or more.

If you don't believe there are one planets - then you don't believe there is one planet. Possible planets = 0 or MORE THAN 1.

OR

If you don't believe there are more than one planets, then you don't believe there are multiple planets. Possible planets = 0 or 1.

Let's combine the motherfucking sentences shall we?

If you don't believe there are 1 or more planets, then you MUST LOGICALLY BELIEVE THERE ARE 0 PLANETS.

Are you fucking retarded? There's no 1 planet orbiting? OK. Not 2? Not 3? Not 3000? Not 5 million? Not infinite? Holy shit, what do you believe? Take a fucking wild guess.

I already did. You treat "I do not believe X" as equivalent to "I believe not-X." That is a false equivalence. I'll just keep repeating it until you realize it, or even more hilariously, attempt to demonstrate the contrary.

The facts remain.

Oooooh keep asserting your bullshit with no evidence or way to back it up.

Yea, because you're an idiot and you're WRONG.

 

[totalnoob]

Mjin, simple question: Are you a theist?

If not, you are without theism (atheist). Stop being thick and accept it.

 

[MJinZ]

No, not Birth Defects. Penises are like any other Body Part, they vary greatly. Some are Straight, some are curved, and there's a billion variations between.

Cite your source.

Humans are all the same for the most part. You don't get curved this or that just out of nowhere.

 

[sandorski]

Cite your source.

Humans are all the same for the most part. You don't get curved this or that just out of nowhere.

My Source? Look around fool.

Fail.

 

[MJinZ]

Mjin, simple question: Are you a theist?

If not, you are without theism (atheist). Stop being thick and accept it.

I thought I answered your question about 5 pages ago.

I'm an Agnostic, which perfectly describes my position of believing that a higher power is plausible and the probability is not 0, which also means I believe that the possibility of there being no Gods is also plausible and the probability is not 0.

 

[MJinZ]

My Source? Look around fool.

Fail.

Oh really? Curved body parts like penises are not normal. Uncurved body parts like your foot arch is not normal.

 

[sandorski]

Oh really? Curved body parts like penises are not normal. Uncurved body parts like your foot arch is not normal.

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