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There's no downside in believing in GOD -> Pascal's Wager

JEDI

Lifer
....................................God exists........... God does not exist
Wager for God.............Gain all............... Status quo
Wager against God......Misery................. Status quo


If God does not exist, it's all a wash. Nothing happens.

the stakes is finite, yet the rewards are infinite if you believe and God does in fact exist.

Sound +EV?


DISCUSS!
 
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worship god + does not exist= wasted time and money, decreased overall life satisfaction

Actually it's pretty well known that athiests are much more miserable, lead less fulfilling and unhappy lives and suffer from mental disorder and depression/anxiety at a much higher rate.
 
Actually it's pretty well known that athiests are much more miserable, lead less fulfilling and unhappy lives and suffer from mental disorder and depression/anxiety at a much higher rate.

At what point do you become a parody of your own inane bullshit?
 
....................................God exists........... God does not exist ........... A God exists that hates people who believe in him
Wager for God.............Gain all............... Status quo ................. Misery
Wager against God......Misery................. Status quo................. Gain All


If God does not exist, it's all a wash. Nothing happens.

the stakes is finite, yet the rewards are infinite if you believe and God does in fact exist.

Sound +EV?


DISCUSS!

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Dammit, I left it on again.
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....................................God exists........... God does not exist
Wager for God.............Gain all............... Status quo
Wager against God......Misery................. Status quo


If God does not exist, it's all a wash. Nothing happens.

the stakes is finite, yet the rewards are infinite if you believe and God does in fact exist.

Sound +EV?


DISCUSS!

God's an asshole if he'd rather you go through the motions of belief than be honest with yourself and others. But then again, man did create God in his own image.
 
Atheists wager: You should live your life and try to make the world a better place for your being in it, whether or not you believe in god. If there is no god, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent god, he will judge you on your merits and not just on whether or not you believed in him.
 
My Imaginary Friend is >>>>than your Imaginary Friend and if you don't choose Mine you're Eternal Suffering will be many times greater than for those who never heard of my Imaginary Friend.

Still think Pascal had a good point?
 
Assumptions include:
god exists
god rewards belief
you picked the right religion
you can "choose to believe," i.e. maybe he's not impressed that you view him as just an insurance policy
 
Actually it's pretty well known that athiests are much more miserable, lead less fulfilling and unhappy lives and suffer from mental disorder and depression/anxiety at a much higher rate.
You are so wrong, so often, that if you were to tell me the sky is blue, I'd have to open a window to check again.

The even more pathetic part is that you're not only telling yourself lies, but this particular lie that you're telling yourself is not even a good reason to believe atheists are wrong -- even if one were to stipulate it. Of course, the truth is of no consequence to you in the first place, so we shouldn't be surprised
 
I was so convinced by Pascal's wager that I started to believe in God. However I found the God I believed in preferred atheists - he damns all believers to hell. So I stopped believing in him and now he's pleased and I'm going to Heaven (that I don't believe in, mind).

(Point being, that the OP's table includes the assumption that if God exists he wants you to believe in him - how do you know this?)
 
People who don't understand this concept called "opportunity cost" fails hard at life.

This is the wrong objection - as the stakes are infinite the (finite) opportunity cost is irrelevant.

The better objection is Homer Simpson's as quoted above. Though with the proviso that God might even prefer atheists for all we know.
 
You are so wrong, so often, that if you were to tell me the sky is blue, I'd have to open a window to check again.

The even more pathetic part is that you're not only telling yourself lies, but this particular lie that you're telling yourself is not even a good reason to believe atheists are wrong -- even if one were to stipulate it. Of course, the truth is of no consequence to you in the first place, so we shouldn't be surprised

I dunno, I could buy that, but then again, I couldn't give two shits as to the accuracy/authenticity of said claim.

I, as an atheist, do believe I may have diagnosable mental disorders, though not to a degree of disability. Likely a combination of ADD/Anxiety/Depression, which is not all that rare.
Our minds are potent, but we have trouble wrangling the run-away mind into submission, getting it to do something it doesn't agree is best for it at that moment.
But I wouldn't change a damn thing. Nor will I medicate myself, even if I might be able to get diagnosed. For one, the military disqualifies individuals with those disorders, and two, they aren't insane "omg I might kill myself today" levels. I thoroughly believe no human is worthy of continuing life unless they can fight their own inner-demons and actually live a successful life, dependent upon nobody. Am I there yet? Nope. Am I working at my hardest to get there? Probably not. Have I given up on that goal? Hell no. Should I be working harder? Yes.
I know my faults, in fact I know them quite well.

But the way I see things, I wouldn't trade any of that for the perfect little existence, a quaint little life where you exchange baked goods twice a week with your local jesus-freaks. And I sure as hell won't commit to a life in the Bible Belt.

I see my current life as more troubled than most who consider themselves a worshiper, but I also see it as more valuable. I have found that all the religious people I have ran into, be them simply believers or "omg I bust a nut for jesus every Wednesday, Friday Night, and Sunday, and I lead bible study too!" (I roomed with one of those. Eye-opening experience, to put it lightly.), have all been fairly oblivious to the little things about life. I cannot quantify or perfectly define what I consider oblivious, but it just seems everyone who meets the description of a believer, doesn't see or feel half the things I have. And I full of myself? Yes and no. ^_^
 
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