There was no Pangea...the Earth is growing.

[Crono]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
even tho the Bibles account doesn't go into scientific detail about creation . It did list the events in the correct order. So many people are hung up a the use of the word days it caused problems with belief. . If GOD is GOD Time doesn't exist for GOD. The use of the word days only shows this occurred in differant time periods as it relates to time of creation only. Day doesn't = 24 hours. in this instance . The Bible does cover this . But that would only cause you guys more confusin. The Quote I gave covers the creation period pretty accuretly. So I did stay on topic.

Genesis does not list events in the correct order. It puts the earth at older than the sun.. which is what you would expect from a creation myth created before science.

I have the Genisis account posted in this thread . It says the earth was without form and void that would be water in a gas state than it says the firmiment was created (Heavens) = atmosphere. Than the Sun started working as we know it today that was light creation nowhere does it say earth came first nowhere . If it does get quote and post it.

The eath was created first.
Genesis 1:1-2:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep."

and
Genesis 1:13-19
"So the evening and the morning were the third day.
Then God said, ?Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth?; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. "

And you are incorrect about time not mattering to God being the reason the use of the word "day" does not matter. It does matter. God clearly defines in the Genesis account as a day being a day/night period, which must be 24 hours or close to it and not millions or billions of years because of consistency throughout the creation story. You can't ignore or change what the Bible says to accommodate science. Science, by it's own definition, changes, but you can't have faith in God and His Word if you think He or His Word changes. Either believe the earth is thousands of years old, or believe it is billions.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
This is great news! That means there will be plenty more room in the oceans for all the water when the polar caps melt from global warming. And here I was about to trade in my SUV.

If you live on the coast buy a boat your going to needed it. Science tells me all about the big bang yet they don't know our own planet . Its down right laughable or their withholding information. As of right now Antartic is releaseing as much water from the solid form to liquid as greenland is . This was startling new information . Science is using the the logic that if the solid state of water continues to turn to liquid we have 100 years befor the city of newyork is under water. This is laughable . Once the ice melts to were the ground has no ice the process speeds up by a factor of 10 as the ground holds heat. Than take into consideration its gettin warmer all the time. Look for alot of NewOrleans type events in the near future . Its like a snowball rolling down hill it will pick up momentum

 

[rh71]

I want to know how they got a video over 10minutes uploaded to Youtube. 10:01!!!!!

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Oh man, is this really the same Neal Adams as the comic artist? That saddens me. A lot of great artists have a touch of madness I suppose.

Ooh twice in two days I get to say this...

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Typical ATOT. Bunch of arrogant teenagers who are too dumb to know what they don't know and think current theory is the end all. Well done.

:thumbsup:

I agree with Perry404, mostly... Except I think the exact same about tooth fairy, god, santa claus, or lochness monster

Although its true that you cant prove something doesnt exist... Wait, maybe you can... You can prove a human being with 10 arms doesnt exist, by searching the whole population one by one But how do we apply that to any mythical creatures? HMMMMM!

But its unbelievable how people can be like this... You keep falling into the same mistake over and over, and never learn! "But during Galileo's era blabla *bunch of crap*" yeah, so what? Dont you think in that time they said the exact same, in context of the situation? And when current theories are disproven and someone comes up with better ones, people in the future will also refer to "us" as "but they were blabla at the time *bunch of crap*" and make up more inexisting arguments

Bottomline: Learn from past mistakes of mankind, you should know history keeps repeating itself, dont expect to be an exception just because its now and not "then"

Whats unbelieveable is that people use science to argue a point and get the facts wrong . Galileos didn't come up with the idea Sun was center of solar system . Google is your friend . While your at it Google early batteries and lights become enlightened.

Youre missing the point... Im not knowledgeable in this stuff, it was just an example, but it works with everything, point is someone came up with something and people criticized him, it has happened before, it will happen again

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
even tho the Bibles account doesn't go into scientific detail about creation . It did list the events in the correct order. So many people are hung up a the use of the word days it caused problems with belief. . If GOD is GOD Time doesn't exist for GOD. The use of the word days only shows this occurred in differant time periods as it relates to time of creation only. Day doesn't = 24 hours. in this instance . The Bible does cover this . But that would only cause you guys more confusin. The Quote I gave covers the creation period pretty accuretly. So I did stay on topic.

Genesis does not list events in the correct order. It puts the earth at older than the sun.. which is what you would expect from a creation myth created before science.

I have the Genisis account posted in this thread . It says the earth was without form and void that would be water in a gas state than it says the firmiment was created (Heavens) = atmosphere. Than the Sun started working as we know it today that was light creation nowhere does it say earth came first nowhere . If it does get quote and post it.

The eath was created first.
Genesis 1:1-2:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep."

and
Genesis 1:13-19
"So the evening and the morning were the third day.
Then God said, ?Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth?; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. "

And you are incorrect about time not mattering to God being the reason the use of the word "day" does not matter. It does matter. God clearly defines in the Genesis account as a day being a day/night period, which must be 24 hours or close to it and not millions or billions of years because of consistency throughout the creation story. You can't ignore or change what the Bible says to accommodate science. Science, by it's own definition, changes, but you can't have faith in God and His Word if you think He or His Word changes. Either believe the earth is thousands of years old, or believe it is billions.

Using your arguement how long was the 1st day the one without light . Bible says a day to man is as a 1000 years to God. This isn't literal it only saying don'tmeasure man time with Gods time because for God time doesnt exist. The bible set it all out for you to undererstand . Satin whom is ruler of the earth has done his job well.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
even tho the Bibles account doesn't go into scientific detail about creation . It did list the events in the correct order. So many people are hung up a the use of the word days it caused problems with belief. . If GOD is GOD Time doesn't exist for GOD. The use of the word days only shows this occurred in differant time periods as it relates to time of creation only. Day doesn't = 24 hours. in this instance . The Bible does cover this . But that would only cause you guys more confusin. The Quote I gave covers the creation period pretty accuretly. So I did stay on topic.

Genesis does not list events in the correct order. It puts the earth at older than the sun.. which is what you would expect from a creation myth created before science.

I have the Genisis account posted in this thread . It says the earth was without form and void that would be water in a gas state than it says the firmiment was created (Heavens) = atmosphere. Than the Sun started working as we know it today that was light creation nowhere does it say earth came first nowhere . If it does get quote and post it.

The eath was created first.
Genesis 1:1-2:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep."

and
Genesis 1:13-19
"So the evening and the morning were the third day.
Then God said, ?Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth?; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. "

And you are incorrect about time not mattering to God being the reason the use of the word "day" does not matter. It does matter. God clearly defines in the Genesis account as a day being a day/night period, which must be 24 hours or close to it and not millions or billions of years because of consistency throughout the creation story. You can't ignore or change what the Bible says to accommodate science. Science, by it's own definition, changes, but you can't have faith in God and His Word if you think He or His Word changes. Either believe the earth is thousands of years old, or believe it is billions.

Using your arguement how long was the 1st day the one without light . Bible says a day to man is as a 1000 years to God. This isn't literal it only saying don'tmeasure man time with Gods time because for God time doesnt exist. The bible set it all out for you to undererstand . Satin whom is ruler of the earth has done his job well.

The Bible says "a day is as a thousand years" to God to tell us that time is nothing for God because He is eternal, but that doesn't apply here. It is obvious that a day in Genesis 1 is to be taken literally, not figuratively. Genesis 1:5 says "God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day." It is clear that one day/evening period is a day. That the unit "day" was designated after the first actual day/evening period is irrelevant, as it still indicates the same amount of time. Now look at the rest of the creation account. God created everything in 6 days. It would not make sense for these to be "days" of billions of years. It would even make less sense to say that God rested for a billion years and that man lived a billion years on the 7th day. And you can't say that 1 day is a billion years in one part in the book, and then a regular 24 hour cycle in another. You can't force the Bible to say what you want it to say; the Bible is clear.

The only reason people try to make the Bible ambiguous about the 6 days, or try to force it to mean billions of years, is to reconcile it with the latest scientific beliefs. But, as I have said previously, you cannot and should not interpret the bible by science. Science, using its own definition, deals with physical observations and the interpretations of observations, which makes it fallible and subject to change. All true scientists acknowledge this. The Bible, by its own definition, is the revelation of God, His creation, and His will and it is absolutely infallible and unchanging. All true Christians acknowledge this. The Bible, when it deals with the nature of the physical world, is absolutely correct and accurate. Scientists may propose and believe theories that contradict what the Bible says, but that doesn't mean the Bible is wrong, but it can absolutely mean that observations and/or interpretations of scientists are wrong. Science does not deal with absolute truths (the Bible does) and it is fallible, especially when dealing with things of a historical nature. Don't misunderstand me, though: Science is a very valuable tool, and one that I appreciate. My problem is with "scientists" that hold to scientific theories religiously and call anyone who disbelieves them as being stupid.

 

[torpid]

Satin does not rule the earth. Stop hanging out in bachelor pads from the 60's.

 

[PottedMeat]

Originally posted by: torpid
Satin does not rule the earth. Stop hanging out in bachelor pads from the 60's.

Are we on velour and bearskin underwear? Or are we talkin' ass-less chaps and studded black leather?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Who is this religious nutjob coming into this thread with this Genesis shit? GTFO you moron, nobody believes or cares about your fairy tales here.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Who is this religious nutjob coming into this thread with this Genesis shit? GTFO you moron, nobody believes or cares about your fairy tales here.

You should ask him about dark matter some day.

 

[Born2bwire]

Oh now I definitely need to get a lawn chair, case of beer, and a good size bag of popcorn for this.

 

[Nemesis 1]

In the first day the last thing is light bing created threw physics. If you want to believe God did this in 24 hour s no problem . The order of events is correct its people like you who destort the trueth by being literal. What did you exspect God to do give moses a lesson in physics. I suppose you believe sampson killed 20,000 palistians with the jaw of an ass,

 

[torpid]

If you aren't going to literally believe everything in the bible verbatim then you should not argue that any particular parts of it are to be taken verbatim. Once you start doing that, you dig yourself a serious hole.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
In the first day the last thing is light bing created threw physics. If you want to believe God did this in 24 hour s no problem . The order of events is correct its people like you who detort the trueth by being literal.

The Bible is a literal book, using the ordinary rules of language. Does it use figurative speech and metaphors? Yes, as do even physics and biology textbooks. But the context of the creation account tells us that it is a literal account. We may not have all the details (Bible isn't a scientific textbook), but the basic story, which is given, is true. The second that you say the story of creation isn't literal, but a metaphor, you can pretty much interpret it any way you want, and have it mean anything you want. The Bible says, however, that none of scripture is subject to private interpretation. You cannot change what is clear in scripture to suit your own opinions and feelings, and neither can I.

What did you exspect god to do give moses a lesson in physics.

No, I didn't. But God does not lie, nor does He distort the truth. If He meant for "day" to mean something other than a morning/night period, he wouldn't have said it is a morning/night period. Or if it were not possible for us to understand, He would have left it out altogether. But clearly He says that a day is a morning and a night. Either accept that, or reject the whole of scripture. If there is even one falsehood in the Bible, then none of it is worth believing, because then it would mean God is a liar, and His word is invalidated .

I suppose you believe sampson killed 20,000 palistians with the jaw of an ass,

I believe Samson killed 1,000 Philistines with a jawbone, yes. If I believe that God can create a universe out of nothingness (and I do) then I see no problem with believe that God can enable men to do incredible things, if it is His will. Even talking about humans with limited strength and knowledge, people would have thought you were stupid or insane if 1,000 years ago (or even 100 years ago) if you said a man could kill millions of people with a rock. Of course, if you explained the process of nuclear enrichment, construction, and launching of a nuclear weapon, it would make more sense. Just because we cannot understand how God performed miracles through people of His choosing does not mean that that they never took place. God is not compelled to reveal to us everything He knows or does, and we could not understand in our current form anyways, for "His thought are higher than our thoughts, and His ways are higher than our ways". For us to confine in our minds what God can do, to put Him and His works in a box, is to set ourselves up in our hearts higher than God - and that is pride, idolatry, and foolishness.

Judges 15:14-15
"When he came to Lehi, the Philistines came shouting against him. Then the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him; and the ropes that were on his arms became like flax that is burned with fire, and his bonds broke loose from his hands. He found a fresh jawbone of a donkey, reached out his hand and took it, and killed a thousand men with it."

 

[Nemesis 1]

God created physics its fundamental to creation .In physics math is fundamental . Why would God create something and than ignor its existance. and use magic . I don't want a magic GOD nor do I believe in a magic God . I want a physical GOD. Because than God is Real.

Now I have gone off topic . You want to discuss the Bible . Start a thread.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Does this religious whacko even know how to spell?

"God say da Bible creates da physics b4 the earth"

 

[Nemesis 1]

This is last post for me in this thread. Life as we know it is carbon based. Why would any thinking person believe there isn't life forms based off of other life elements .

Example silicon based life forms . We know that sciece is working on AI for processors.

When and if we create an AI that is self aware. Man will have created life. As far as that AI is concerned Man would be its God. Taking this concept to another level isn't on thinkable. Science right now is moving in the direction of carbon based processors . When there is a tech break threw than and only than, will we have Carbon based processors. The more you complain about spelling the worse it shall become.

In this thread a man asked a question wared did all the water come from . Than we got people saying . Ya if the earth was smaller than earth would be covered with water.

Than we got guys coming in saying earths mass can't change . Good lord get a clue .

The earth will gain mass till the end of the physical universe unless an event happens.

Some theories say the Moon was created from the earth there are other theories. If moon came from earth. The earth lost mass . The Moon does contain some very rare earth elements . But for science to say this element is rare is just stupid. Go look in the Older books on the cosmos . Science said water was rare.

I remember A 7th grade science test. On the solar system . 1 question I got wrong only 1 question. I failed that test. WHY! Because one question asked what was the composition of Saturn . The science books said Ammonia. I wrote for an ans. AMMonia was the ans. given in the text. But thats incorrect and I said Hydrogen was the correct ans.

The nun gave me a chance to change my answer. I said no the text is wrong. She asked why I insisted. I said because Ammonia isn't the element of the stars. I insisted that the correct ans. would be Hydrogen the same as Our sun . SO I got failed. I told her to go fly kite in storm. with wire as string . Got 3 days off.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: legoman666
sooooo. I didnt click the link but where is the mass coming from?

Exactly. And where did all the ocean water come from? On a much smaller planet there would be miles and miles of water over everything.

I think what the vid is relying heavily on is that the core samples taken from around the oceans indicate they are about a couple 100 million years younger than the continents themselves. So how can the author explain this as the current theory of a Pangaea doesn't seem to jive with that. The ocean floors would have been just as old as the massive continent.

It seems to be saying the earth was just a big waterless rock (save a few small lakes and seas) up until a few 100 million years ago and as it grew and expanded, immense depressions were formed in those voids so that when it rained, the water was able to drain down into them thus forming the oceans. I found the explanation about how the marsupials wound up where they currently reside pretty interesting.

So, again I ask, where did the water come from?????????????

By combining 2 Hydrogen Molecules with 1 Oxygen Seriously though, NFC after watching it a 2nd time now. He fell pretty short in explaining where the sudden influx of water came from unless there was some huge climate difference back then, but he never goes into that. I guess he is trying to prove you can squeeze water from a rock.

If your going to use science to dish God at least understand the state of the universe in the beginning. OF course it was a differant climate way warmer. A lot more vapor in atmosphere. Many events may have taken place to change this condition . The Moons formation for 1. If your going to debate at least have a foundalmental understanding of the debate. Read the bible qoute than use science to understand what the First 100 words of the Bible are stating. There was water below the firmimnent and above the firmiment

Its not that hard to grasp.

are you insane?

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You are aware some people don't sleep at all correct .

You are aware that people eventually die if they don't sleep, correct?

 

[Noobtastic]

Science is too political for me..

 

[Nemesis 1]

What do I have to fear from death. Are not all things made new is that not the nature of things.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
What do I have to fear from death. Are not all things made new is that not the nature of things.

Well, the last time I dropped a wine glass, it certainly wasn't "made new" afterwards...so I'm going to say that it's not in the nature of things. Doesn't mean there aren't special cases.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: legoman666
sooooo. I didnt click the link but where is the mass coming from?

Exactly. And where did all the ocean water come from? On a much smaller planet there would be miles and miles of water over everything.

I think what the vid is relying heavily on is that the core samples taken from around the oceans indicate they are about a couple 100 million years younger than the continents themselves. So how can the author explain this as the current theory of a Pangaea doesn't seem to jive with that. The ocean floors would have been just as old as the massive continent.

It seems to be saying the earth was just a big waterless rock (save a few small lakes and seas) up until a few 100 million years ago and as it grew and expanded, immense depressions were formed in those voids so that when it rained, the water was able to drain down into them thus forming the oceans. I found the explanation about how the marsupials wound up where they currently reside pretty interesting.

So, again I ask, where did the water come from?????????????

GOD took a hell of a wiz!!

seriously, I could not sat through that vid, too much bs. And yes the Earth IS growing every day. just not like the vid postulates. Ya have micro meteroites rain down ever day to the tune of tons daily. it just not enough to accumuate as much as speculated in the vid.

 

[Squisher]

So, for earth to grow I have to assume it is much frothier than it once was.

The water was on the inside and now earth is bleeding.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well I couldn't Help myself. Dawp your reply is completely without merit. and is lacking fundamental knowledge of Terra building . Now you say that Tons of mass per day added to the earths mass just wouldn't grow the earth to fit the viseos theory.

Again I will say this . Were did oil come from . and there is alot of it. It comes from decayed organic marerials. Collected threw the ages.

Now think about tons of mass added to the earths mass daily threw the ages. Keeping inmind in the beginning of terra building much much more mass was added daily.

Now I hope you can see how lacking your reply is. I didn't ask earlier what feeds the earths engine because I didn't know. I was trying to get ya think.

But alast somethings are doomed to fail.