There was no Pangea...the Earth is growing.

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You say its an not an question of Gods existance.


Here is the Very first Words written in the scrptures.

In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth. The EARTH was without form and void. and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God wasmoving over theface of the waters. and God said let their be light and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. and God seperated the light from the darkness. God called the light day and the darkness he called night. and there was evening and morning, one day.

and God said let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters and let it seperate the waters from waters. And GOD made the firmanent and seperated the waters which were under the firmanent from the waters which were above the firmanent. And it was so. and God called the fermament Heaven . and their was evening and mourning . a second day.

And God said let the waters under the the heavens be gathered together into one place and let dry lans appear, And it was so. God called the dry land earth. And the waters that were gathered together were called the seas And GoD saw that it was good.

Now I don't care what you or anyone else believes. Even tho this discription of creation isn't scientific . The Part a Bolded Is rather accurate on how science would describe the formation of the star galaxies planets. It is also in the correct order of the way it was. Don't get hung up on the 6days of creation. As those days were put their only to show seperation in Time between events. Now man making up a story about God Would Have said . God Created everthing and Zap it was so . But days were used to show a seperation in the creation of the Universe in time periods. Pretty cleaver of Moses if its only a story. HOW did Moses know the earth was without form and void. Its very accurate discription of the way it happened. Without going into detail. I am 100% convinced. GOD is real I just don't know what GOD is . Could GOD be Dark matter and could the Spirit(GODs Power) be dark energy. I don't have a Clue but its a great possiability. But as I said I don't know. But Moses sold me and nothing will ever change that my belief in an order universe. NOTHING.

How is it possible that you are STILL drunk? You are my hero. Most people would have passed out by now.

I haven't had a drink for 15 years other than my sons wedding. I don't sleep much 1-2 hours aday sometimes less.

Beings I am your hero . Would you exchanged bodies with me. See how you do with my body. I know I will like yours no matter what its like.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Actually, no, you can't prove that something does not exist. Neither god, the tooth fairy, the invisible blue unicorn nor the Flying Spaghetti Monster can be proven to not exist. That's why the burden of proof lies on those that claim something does exist.

Heretic! The invisible unicorn is pink.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Ok this thread took a strange turn..

 

[Nemesis 1]

Actually I have pretty much stayed right on topic.

Early in the thread someone asked were all the water came from . So I tried to show were it came from . Threw the only source I new of . Now if you read that Bible quote I inserted. you will see this .

God inserted a fermiment between the waters,

fermiment = heveans = equals earths atmosohere. So the earth was completely water covered . Now I don't know what form the water was in liquad solid gas. The fact that the Suns hadn't yet fired up . Leaves me to believe it was gas. In the beginning the lighter elements is all there was . Heavier elements only formed latter. You do know what elements make up the Suns correct . Science also agrees with this. .

The next event describe in the bible after day one will show Land was formed . this was day 2 or time period 2. This occurred only after the Sun became active . THan the heavery elements were formed. Science also agrees this is the next step in planet forming . Heavier elements were created from the sun. Basicly expired suns or even whole galaxies.

Now their is no way in hell Moses could have known this stuff but he did. That small bible quote I gave ya . Contains so much information its unbelieveable and infact caused much problems . Because until recently science didn't understand all this stuff.

But if you read how science explains it. The order in the quote of events is correct.

So again I say this. NO way could Moses have known this.

 

[Nemesis 1]

even tho the Bibles account doesn't go into scientific detail about creation . It did list the events in the correct order. So many people are hung up a the use of the word days it caused problems with belief. . If GOD is GOD Time doesn't exist for GOD. The use of the word days only shows this occurred in differant time periods as it relates to time of creation only. Day doesn't = 24 hours. in this instance . The Bible does cover this . But that would only cause you guys more confusin. The Quote I gave covers the creation period pretty accuretly. So I did stay on topic.

 

[GasX]

The guy went from curiousity to whack job when he started talking about the "conspiracy" to keep this knowledge from you.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: legoman666
sooooo. I didnt click the link but where is the mass coming from?

Exactly. And where did all the ocean water come from? On a much smaller planet there would be miles and miles of water over everything.

I think what the vid is relying heavily on is that the core samples taken from around the oceans indicate they are about a couple 100 million years younger than the continents themselves. So how can the author explain this as the current theory of a Pangaea doesn't seem to jive with that. The ocean floors would have been just as old as the massive continent.

It seems to be saying the earth was just a big waterless rock (save a few small lakes and seas) up until a few 100 million years ago and as it grew and expanded, immense depressions were formed in those voids so that when it rained, the water was able to drain down into them thus forming the oceans. I found the explanation about how the marsupials wound up where they currently reside pretty interesting.

thre is just as much water on earth today as there was 4 billion years ago.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: potato28
I think I had a brain fart. Did he suggest that all of our water is made from *magic*?

No silly, we're making water everyday. In fact, I have to go make some right now.

 

[Fox5]

I don't sleep much 1-2 hours aday sometimes less.

Wah? You do realize that's seriously unhealthy? As in drives a man insane.
That, or your definition of sleep is different from others.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Not true. planet building hasn,t stopped just slowed. Now 4 billion years ago there was probabably more water in a gas state than a liquid state. When the caps melt. Well be closer to the flood state after much of the wator vapor became liquid than it became solid. Now the solid state is disappearing into a liquid state. Back to the flood state. And the cycle continues.

 

[Nemesis 1]

You are aware some people don't sleep at all correct .

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
even tho the Bibles account doesn't go into scientific detail about creation . It did list the events in the correct order. So many people are hung up a the use of the word days it caused problems with belief. . If GOD is GOD Time doesn't exist for GOD. The use of the word days only shows this occurred in differant time periods as it relates to time of creation only. Day doesn't = 24 hours. in this instance . The Bible does cover this . But that would only cause you guys more confusin. The Quote I gave covers the creation period pretty accuretly. So I did stay on topic.

Genesis does not list events in the correct order. It puts the earth at older than the sun.. which is what you would expect from a creation myth created before science.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: XZeroII
I don't see why everyone is so upset about this? I mean, a couple hundred years ago the though that the continents fit together was grounds for death. Why is it so absured that we could learn more and eventually discover that this guy was at least partially right?

People are afraid of change I dont get it either... Thinking the earth was round and orbited around the sun used to be outrageous too... Its specially disturbing coming from people interested in science - those should have the most open of minds

I welcome any theory someone might have, while it may be far from the truth, theres always some bit that fits, and might be the key to a puzzle somewhere else

Actually, science is where it is right now because of people that came out with something no one thought before, and thats how we will keep evolving... If we just relied on the "closed mindedness" of ATOT we would still be in the stone age

Ego is heavily built into the scientific psyche especially in America. It is a part of what motivates individuals into discovering new things.
I prefer to learn and stay open minded and enjoy the wonder of whatever the truth may be.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but large egos get trumped by data in the scientific community. Science is completely open to new ideas, but you've got to bring the data to support it.

Well ultimately yes but still. The scientific community still believes we are seeing the edge of the universe and they swear by it. Funny how every time we build a larger telescope the universe gets older. Much of the scientific community is totally closed and vehemently against the idea of a creator. Just a couple of examples. A good scientist is always open minded as even ridiculous ideas may present new questions and a new way of thinking about a problem. Yet much of science today is filled with emotional bias which is driven by ambition that staggers progress and clouds logical thinking. Egos prevail and quite often the goal is to prove how advanced ones brain is as apposed to making progress in the name of science. I grew up in the scientific community with an atheist father who studied physics and astronomy (as did I) and I have seen these attitudes repeatedly. One need not look further than a bulletin board to get a small taste.

"Swear by it?" Never heard that before, and I've heard a lot of very heated arguments between scientists. Participated in a few.

As for being opposed to a creator, if you have evidence for a creator, by all means, share it. I'm not aware of any.

Even "bad" egotistical or close minded scientists will get beaten down by proper data, I've seen it. One friend of mine specifically published his results in a journal that was edited by a guy who had a contrary viewpoint. He viewed it as an extra challenge because he knew his experiments and writing would would have to be very carefully and thoroughly done to get published there. And yes, he got published, despite the presence of his foil on the editorial board. Maybe a bit of an ego, but he had the data.

Finally, I don't look at bulletin boards for my science, they aren't peer reviewed and thus pretty much irrelevant.

I never said I can prove there is a creator.
I agree with you 100%. Scientists are beaten down all the time. Every time one states that we have found the "end of the universe" they are beaten down a couple years later. I was laughing at scientists who stated this as a fact when I was in highschool and I still do. They never learn.
My comments about God are very simple and shouldn't even need to be argued. All I am saying is that if you cannot prove or disprove something than you have no facts. If we had proven there is no God then we, as scientific minded people, could say unequivocally that there is no God. God has not been disproved nor has he been proved. Therefor it is an open question and should not disturb a healthy thinker in the slightest.
The argument has nothing to do with God but the principle.
True science only knows what is fact. You can prove the tooth ferry doesn't exist because there is zero evidence of a tooth ferry.
The idea of whether or not God exists however is open because the universe is in itself possibly evidence of a creator. You cannot, after all, get something from nothing.

Why do you apply different standards to God and the Tooth Fairy? The burden of proof is on the person who contends that there is a god, just like the burden is on the person who contends that there is a tooth fairy.

The fact that you argue "you can't get something from nothing" makes me disbelieve that you have a degree in any scientific field

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: legoman666
sooooo. I didnt click the link but where is the mass coming from?

Exactly. And where did all the ocean water come from? On a much smaller planet there would be miles and miles of water over everything.

I think what the vid is relying heavily on is that the core samples taken from around the oceans indicate they are about a couple 100 million years younger than the continents themselves. So how can the author explain this as the current theory of a Pangaea doesn't seem to jive with that. The ocean floors would have been just as old as the massive continent.

It seems to be saying the earth was just a big waterless rock (save a few small lakes and seas) up until a few 100 million years ago and as it grew and expanded, immense depressions were formed in those voids so that when it rained, the water was able to drain down into them thus forming the oceans. I found the explanation about how the marsupials wound up where they currently reside pretty interesting.

So, again I ask, where did the water come from?????????????

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You are aware some people don't sleep at all correct .

Yes we call them sick and crazy.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You are aware some people don't sleep at all correct .

wrong. pure wrong.

if you don't sleep, you will die early. Guaranteed.

That's why those with the worst cases of insomnia don't really make it far past 40 or so. Your lack of sleep will rob your son of a father.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
even tho the Bibles account doesn't go into scientific detail about creation . It did list the events in the correct order. So many people are hung up a the use of the word days it caused problems with belief. . If GOD is GOD Time doesn't exist for GOD. The use of the word days only shows this occurred in differant time periods as it relates to time of creation only. Day doesn't = 24 hours. in this instance . The Bible does cover this . But that would only cause you guys more confusin. The Quote I gave covers the creation period pretty accuretly. So I did stay on topic.

Genesis does not list events in the correct order. It puts the earth at older than the sun.. which is what you would expect from a creation myth created before science.

I have the Genisis account posted in this thread . It says the earth was without form and void that would be water in a gas state than it says the firmiment was created (Heavens) = atmosphere. Than the Sun started working as we know it today that was light creation nowhere does it say earth came first nowhere . If it does get quote and post it.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: legoman666
sooooo. I didnt click the link but where is the mass coming from?

Exactly. And where did all the ocean water come from? On a much smaller planet there would be miles and miles of water over everything.

I think what the vid is relying heavily on is that the core samples taken from around the oceans indicate they are about a couple 100 million years younger than the continents themselves. So how can the author explain this as the current theory of a Pangaea doesn't seem to jive with that. The ocean floors would have been just as old as the massive continent.

It seems to be saying the earth was just a big waterless rock (save a few small lakes and seas) up until a few 100 million years ago and as it grew and expanded, immense depressions were formed in those voids so that when it rained, the water was able to drain down into them thus forming the oceans. I found the explanation about how the marsupials wound up where they currently reside pretty interesting.

So, again I ask, where did the water come from?????????????

By combining 2 Hydrogen Molecules with 1 Oxygen Seriously though, NFC after watching it a 2nd time now. He fell pretty short in explaining where the sudden influx of water came from unless there was some huge climate difference back then, but he never goes into that. I guess he is trying to prove you can squeeze water from a rock.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: legoman666
sooooo. I didnt click the link but where is the mass coming from?

Exactly. And where did all the ocean water come from? On a much smaller planet there would be miles and miles of water over everything.

I think what the vid is relying heavily on is that the core samples taken from around the oceans indicate they are about a couple 100 million years younger than the continents themselves. So how can the author explain this as the current theory of a Pangaea doesn't seem to jive with that. The ocean floors would have been just as old as the massive continent.

It seems to be saying the earth was just a big waterless rock (save a few small lakes and seas) up until a few 100 million years ago and as it grew and expanded, immense depressions were formed in those voids so that when it rained, the water was able to drain down into them thus forming the oceans. I found the explanation about how the marsupials wound up where they currently reside pretty interesting.

So, again I ask, where did the water come from?????????????

By combining 2 Hydrogen Molecules with 1 Oxygen Seriously though, NFC after watching it a 2nd time now. He fell pretty short in explaining where the sudden influx of water came from unless there was some huge climate difference back then, but he never goes into that. I guess he is trying to prove you can squeeze water from a rock.

Yeah, if there was enough hydrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere to create 1/10 of the water on earth I can't imaginge it being stable in that state. Talk about a bomb waiting to go off...........

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Typical ATOT. Bunch of arrogant teenagers who are too dumb to know what they don't know and think current theory is the end all. Well done.

:thumbsup:

I agree with Perry404, mostly... Except I think the exact same about tooth fairy, god, santa claus, or lochness monster

Although its true that you cant prove something doesnt exist... Wait, maybe you can... You can prove a human being with 10 arms doesnt exist, by searching the whole population one by one But how do we apply that to any mythical creatures? HMMMMM!

But its unbelievable how people can be like this... You keep falling into the same mistake over and over, and never learn! "But during Galileo's era blabla *bunch of crap*" yeah, so what? Dont you think in that time they said the exact same, in context of the situation? And when current theories are disproven and someone comes up with better ones, people in the future will also refer to "us" as "but they were blabla at the time *bunch of crap*" and make up more inexisting arguments

Bottomline: Learn from past mistakes of mankind, you should know history keeps repeating itself, dont expect to be an exception just because its now and not "then"

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: legoman666
sooooo. I didnt click the link but where is the mass coming from?

Exactly. And where did all the ocean water come from? On a much smaller planet there would be miles and miles of water over everything.

I think what the vid is relying heavily on is that the core samples taken from around the oceans indicate they are about a couple 100 million years younger than the continents themselves. So how can the author explain this as the current theory of a Pangaea doesn't seem to jive with that. The ocean floors would have been just as old as the massive continent.

It seems to be saying the earth was just a big waterless rock (save a few small lakes and seas) up until a few 100 million years ago and as it grew and expanded, immense depressions were formed in those voids so that when it rained, the water was able to drain down into them thus forming the oceans. I found the explanation about how the marsupials wound up where they currently reside pretty interesting.

So, again I ask, where did the water come from?????????????

By combining 2 Hydrogen Molecules with 1 Oxygen Seriously though, NFC after watching it a 2nd time now. He fell pretty short in explaining where the sudden influx of water came from unless there was some huge climate difference back then, but he never goes into that. I guess he is trying to prove you can squeeze water from a rock.

If your going to use science to dish God at least understand the state of the universe in the beginning. OF course it was a differant climate way warmer. A lot more vapor in atmosphere. Many events may have taken place to change this condition . The Moons formation for 1. If your going to debate at least have a foundalmental understanding of the debate. Read the bible qoute than use science to understand what the First 100 words of the Bible are stating. There was water below the firmimnent and above the firmiment

Its not that hard to grasp.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Typical ATOT. Bunch of arrogant teenagers who are too dumb to know what they don't know and think current theory is the end all. Well done.

:thumbsup:

I agree with Perry404, mostly... Except I think the exact same about tooth fairy, god, santa claus, or lochness monster

Although its true that you cant prove something doesnt exist... Wait, maybe you can... You can prove a human being with 10 arms doesnt exist, by searching the whole population one by one But how do we apply that to any mythical creatures? HMMMMM!

But its unbelievable how people can be like this... You keep falling into the same mistake over and over, and never learn! "But during Galileo's era blabla *bunch of crap*" yeah, so what? Dont you think in that time they said the exact same, in context of the situation? And when current theories are disproven and someone comes up with better ones, people in the future will also refer to "us" as "but they were blabla at the time *bunch of crap*" and make up more inexisting arguments

Bottomline: Learn from past mistakes of mankind, you should know history keeps repeating itself, dont expect to be an exception just because its now and not "then"

Whats unbelieveable is that people use science to argue a point and get the facts wrong . Galileos didn't come up with the idea Sun was center of solar system . Google is your friend . While your at it Google early batteries and lights become enlightened.

 

[ahurtt]

This is great news! That means there will be plenty more room in the oceans for all the water when the polar caps melt from global warming. And here I was about to trade in my SUV.

 

[BudAshes]

ridiculous, but you know, at least they are sort of thinking.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: legoman666
sooooo. I didnt click the link but where is the mass coming from?

Exactly. And where did all the ocean water come from? On a much smaller planet there would be miles and miles of water over everything.

I think what the vid is relying heavily on is that the core samples taken from around the oceans indicate they are about a couple 100 million years younger than the continents themselves. So how can the author explain this as the current theory of a Pangaea doesn't seem to jive with that. The ocean floors would have been just as old as the massive continent.

It seems to be saying the earth was just a big waterless rock (save a few small lakes and seas) up until a few 100 million years ago and as it grew and expanded, immense depressions were formed in those voids so that when it rained, the water was able to drain down into them thus forming the oceans. I found the explanation about how the marsupials wound up where they currently reside pretty interesting.

So, again I ask, where did the water come from?????????????

Maybe in the beginning there really was no land. Maybe it was all underwater and Earth was one big "water world." But then, as the planet grew in size and chasms opened, the water filled them in and as the finite amount of water had to cover more and more surface area, what used to be the floor of the global ocean in the shallowest areas began emerging into the open as land. I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with the theory that the earth is growing but I'm just saying, IF you assume the earth IS growing, wouldn't this be a possibility? Maybe the water was always there. . .