There is no Engineer Shortage

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Prison technologies doesn't mean that you have a larger prison population. Moreover, those figures don't include the refugees who have been illegally imprisoned by Australia.

Oh, so we have a low prison population but we have the best prison technology?

Isn't that a good thing?

Illegal immigrants arn't prisioners. They're free to leave at any time.

Try again.

 

[CanOWorms]

Oh, so we have low prison population but we have the best prisoion technology?

Isn't that a good thing?

Illegal immigrants arn't prisioners. They're free to leave at any time.

Try again.

Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

 

[Infohawk]

People in this country can't be bothered to do math.

I don't know I know plenty of people that are wiling to do it. But it's more challenging than other subjects except it doesn't pay more. So it's not always the right answer.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

No, you said this: "These 'bad qualitys' that people from the west have are exactly why we are the best at innovation." - You effectively tried to weasel your non-innovative culture with cultures that actually innovate. Your culture is among the worst at innovation. The fact that you can't even talk much about Australian innovation is proof of it.

And Australia does not lead the way in medical research. Stop lying. You do not lead in scientific research. you do not lead in medical research. You do not lead in technological progress. Australian culture simply does not innovate, it is among the worst innovative cultures on the planet. Face it. I realize that it is difficult for a racist Australian to admit it, but the cultures that you've been hating on are far more innovative than Australian culture.

Why does it matter so much to you to lie and pretend that Australian culture promotes innovation? You could only dream of having your culture be as innovative as Indian, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc. cultures.

You thought that you could lie, promote your Australian racism, and what not and get away with it, but instead you just got exposed as a liar.

You're right. We don't innovate, we became one of the richest countries in the world by magic.

No wait, we stole that wealth didn't we? Yep, this place was a fucking techological wonderland when we got here and we just stole it all.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

When you pass though 10 countries to get here you are.

And when you play $10k a person to get a boat here you are.

But I don't know why they go though so much effort to get here, this place is horrible after all isn't it?

Those tens of thousands of illegal immigrants trying to get here every year. Must be because we're such a backwards place, free of innovation.

 

[CanOWorms]

You're right. We don't innovate, we became one of the richest countries in the world by magic.

No wait, we stole that wealth didn't we? Yep, this place was a fucking techological wonderland when we got here and we just stole it all.

Quite a lot of it was stolen. Australia was heavily developed because it was a settler colony of the British Empire. Wealth was plundered from other parts of the world and transfered to Australia.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Quite a lot of it was stolen. Australia was heavily developed because it was a settler colony of the British Empire. Wealth was plundered from other parts of the world and transfered to Australia.

LOL.

Other way round dumbass. Wealth was transferred from here to the crown.

Why do you think we became our own country.

Even if your nonsense was true, we've been going solo for 100 years. What have we been doing all tha time? Stealing the money from whom?

 

[RabidMongoose]

You're right. We don't innovate, we became one of the richest countries in the world by magic.

No wait, we stole that wealth didn't we? Yep, this place was a fucking techological wonderland when we got here and we just stole it all.

You don't innovate. You just exploit natural resources.

Look, you said that Australian culture is among the most innovative in the world. I think that most people recognize that's a complete joke. You denigrated Indian, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc. cultures as not being innovative, but they are far far more innovative than Australian culture. I don't even know of a single product that I use that comes from Australian innovation, I'm sure that there are a few here and there, but you definitely use lots of products that have innovations from major/foundational contributions of people of Indian, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc. cultures.

Australian culture just does not innovate very well. The fact that you can't even talk about any Australian innovation speaks for itself. I realize that this is all difficult for an Australian racist to digest, but your culture is far less innovative than the cultures that your racism makes you hate.

 

[CanOWorms]

When you pass though 10 countries to get here you are.

And when you play $10k a person to get a boat here you are.

But I don't know why they go though so much effort to get here, this place is horrible after all isn't it?

Those tens of thousands of illegal immigrants trying to get here every year. Must be because we're such a backwards place, free of innovation.

Well, I'll support the claim that Australia is more innovative than Afghanistan.

 

[CanOWorms]

LOL.

Other way round dumbass. Wealth was transferred from here to the crown.

Nope.

Why do you think we became our own country.

That's just a fiction. It's more like a quasi-independent country. Like a region with a bit more autonomy, but not at the level of a strictly independent country. After all, if it was its own country, then it wouldn't have the same Queen as the UK.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Nope.



That's just a fiction. It's more like a quasi-independent country. Like a region with a bit more autonomy, but not at the level of a strictly independent country. After all, if it was its own country, then it wouldn't have the same Queen as the UK.

So what, the UK sends us money, that's why we're so rich?

Ok, I'm outa here.

I'm not going to debate someone that doesn't think Australia is a country.

If you're too dumb to understand that then there's no way we can have a resonable discussion.

 

[CanOWorms]

So what, the UK sends us money, that's why we're so rich?

Back in time, yes. Australia was heavily developed while it was a settler colony of the British Empire. That is likely one of the reasons why it's not a very innovative country today. When you develop through colonialism, you don't know what to do afterwards since you didn't build the foundation. It takes time to adapt to be able to innovate.

Moreover, I suggest a variable, something we can call the "historical technological buildup" or something similar. We can try to tally up domestic innovation and subtract the "lost innovation" that the country was involved in by devastating other regions of the world (preventing other nations from innovating by destroying them). I propose that Australia would be among the lowest in the world if we consider their historical impact upon the world and its affect on mankind's technological innovation.

Ok, I'm outa here.

I'm not going to debate someone that doesn't think Australia is a country.

If you're too dumb to understand that then there's no way we can have a resonable discussion.

I didn't claim that it's not a country. I'm objecting to the statement that it's its "own country." In response, I claimed that it was a "quasi-independent country."

 

[sandorski]

Guys guys, can't we all just agree that the Amish are the worst Innovators? I mean come on, what's with the Hats?

 

[theevilsharpie]

This thread went to shit fast.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Back in time, yes. Australia was heavily developed while it was a settler colony of the British Empire. That is likely one of the reasons why it's not a very innovative country today. When you develop through colonialism, you don't know what to do afterwards since you didn't build the foundation. It takes time to adapt to be able to innovate.

Moreover, I suggest a variable, something we can call the "historical technological buildup" or something similar. We can try to tally up domestic innovation and subtract the "lost innovation" that the country was involved in by devastating other regions of the world (preventing other nations from innovating by destroying them). I propose that Australia would be among the lowest in the world if we consider their historical impact upon the world and its affect on mankind's technological innovation.



I didn't claim that it's not a country. I'm objecting to the statement that it's its "own country." In response, I claimed that it was a "quasi-independent country."

We weren't rich when the British left, we are now. How did we do that?

And don't say mining because that's < 20% of GDP.

I claimed that it was a "quasi-independent country. - Then you're a fucking idiot who doesn't understand how the Commonwealth works.

 

[Infohawk]

The Duke professor and you have no understanding of how the market works. How is salary an indication if there is a shortage of engineers?

It's pretty obvious. If there were a shortage, companies would offer higher salaries to poach them from other companies. Your statements about higher salaries not being justified doesn't really make sense given that engineers are at the core of most companies.

Your belief American is greater than the 3rd world, refusal to accept the rise and competitiveness of those countries, and refusal to face the competition to come up with a strategy to counter that, will bring the eventual collapse of this nation.

America is currently greater than the third world. Not only do westerners believe that but a lot of third worlders do to. Why else would so many people be desperately trying to move from the third world to the first world? And remember, western countries had an industrial revolution that had zero to do with their colonies. Even a European country like Germany, without any colonies, had an extremely powerful economy that has zero to do with China or India. What you still don't understand from the other thread is that acting like some idiot on a sports field is not going to convince Westerners to compete with desperate third worlders. Nobody wants to race to the bottom with Chinese or Indians. You can try to convince westerners that free trade is in their interest but it's hard for people to enjoy a cheap iphone when their wages are going down and unemployment is on the rise...

 

[RabidMongoose]

Even a European country like Germany, without any colonies

Is this a joke? I suppose it's just yet another source of denial of a genocide from InfoHawk/Baasha.

 

[Infohawk]

This thread went to shit fast.

That pretty much happens 100% of the time cow/rabid enter a thread but they're allowed to do that on P&N.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Guys guys, can't we all just agree that the Amish are the worst Innovators? I mean come on, what's with the Hats?

Hmmm...OK, you make an excellent point!

 

[rchiu]

It's pretty obvious. If there were a shortage, companies would offer higher salaries to poach them from other companies. Your statements about higher salaries not being justified doesn't really make sense given that engineers are at the core of most companies.

Seriously do you have any business experience? How difficult is it to understand that a car company, for example, cannot pay fresh engineer $150k simply because car manufacturers don't have that fat a profit margin, compared to a management consulting company like Mckinsey that easily pays $200k for fresh grad (Phd) simply because they have much bigger margin with consultants charging $200+/hr? So what if engineers are at the core of a car company, if there isn't profit margin to support the salary, they cannot pay what other industries are paying.

America is currently greater than the third world. Not only do westerners believe that but a lot of third worlders do to. Why else would so many people be desperately trying to move from the third world to the first world? And remember, western countries had an industrial revolution that had zero to do with their colonies. Even a European country like Germany, without any colonies, had an extremely powerful economy that has zero to do with China or India. What you still don't understand from the other thread is that acting like some idiot on a sports field is not going to convince Westerners to compete with desperate third worlders. Nobody wants to race to the bottom with Chinese or Indians. You can try to convince westerners that free trade is in their interest but it's hard for people to enjoy a cheap iphone when their wages are going down and unemployment is on the rise...

Desperate third worlders? See this is the type of attitude and arrogance that cost American jobs. You don't even know what you want to compete against, do you really want to compete against electronic manufacturing when the pay is actually really low, and the money is really in research, development, marketing and sales?

But what about outsourcing, do you want to compete with Indian consultants when their salary can easily be as high as $50/hr?

Do you even have any dealing with Indian outsourcing companies? I do on a daily basis. I know how much those consultants are getting and I know their training, background and skill. I know many American can easy get the same skill if they want to and would be happy with that salary and have a good solid middle/high income life style. Competing with Indian for those jobs are certainly not "race to the bottom" like you always claimed. You don't understand what I am talking about because you have no idea how the business work, no idea that there are different types and level of jobs US is competing against, no idea what the US should be targeting, and think the US should just take a shot gun approach to deal with every types of job losses.

Yeah so go ahead and have big tariff on the cellphone, ipod manufacturers while hitting your own big R&D/marketing/sales employees for those companies. But leave the companies you should be targeting alone. That certainly makes lots of sense.

 

[JS80]

lol Australia wouldn't be jack shit if it weren't for the commodities boom. It's like a racist redneck version of the middle east and their oil.

 

[RabidMongoose]

lol Australia wouldn't be jack shit if it weren't for the commodities boom. It's like a racist redneck version of the middle east and their oil.

Yup. But somehow some racist Australian here expects people to believe that Australian culture is the most innovative in the world and when confronted with the truth, he runs away like a typical cowardly racist Australian and can't name a single innovation coming from Australian culture.

If people are worried about innovation, then they need to see what's being done in Australia and do the opposite of what those non-innovative Australians are doing.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

lol Australia wouldn't be jack shit if it weren't for the commodities boom. It's like a racist redneck version of the middle east and their oil.

LOL.

We were rich before the commodities boom, so try again.

You guys are hilarious. It makes you crazy they we're doing so well. I don't know why but it's funny to watch. Throwing hissy fits, making up stuff about Australia trying to make us look bad. It's not my fault that you guys are from backwards shitholes like India and Korea.

You can write a million posts saying we're not awsome but any metric you can think of proves otherwise.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I'm still waiting for some examples of innovation coming from Australian culture and then comparing it against innovation that comes from Indian, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc. culture.

Hell, I'm waiting for just one example of Australian culture innovation outside of new ways of discriminating against minorities from cultures that actually innovate. Australia is only good for exploiting natural resources, its culture is among the worst when it comes to innovation.

Australis is just a backwards racist hell hole full of rednecks that can only dig in the ground for rocks. That's about it.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

I'm still waiting for some examples of innovation coming from Australian culture and then comparing it against innovation that comes from Indian, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc. culture.

Hell, I'm waiting for just one example of Australian culture innovation outside of new ways of discriminating against minorities from cultures that actually innovate. Australia is only good for exploiting natural resources, its culture is among the worst when it comes to innovation.

Australis is just a backwards racist hell hole full of rednecks that can only dig in the ground for rocks. That's about it.

It's called google, use it.