there is a civil war right now in Colombia

[DigDog]

.. i waited because i was hoping someone else would post this.

Since the past 3 days there has been a massive unrest in colombia, due to a new set of laws that severely increase the taxes on the lower class and, idk, some other unbelievably criminal shit.
The EL PRESIDENTE has ordered the police to open fire on the protestors. Many dead.

UN condemns violent repression of Colombia protests after at least 18 die

Riot police rampage across streets, shoot protesters and charge at crowds with motorcycles in week of unrest across the country

www.theguardian.com

Colombia protests: UN 'deeply alarmed' by bloodshed in Cali

The United Nations rights office says police opened fire on demonstrator on Monday.

www.bbc.co.uk

Amnesty denounces police repression of demonstrations in Colombia

The Colombian authorities must end the repression of demonstrations, cease the militarization of cities

www.amnesty.org

UN rights office condemns Colombia crackdown on protests

The UN says Colombian police in Cali ‘opened fire’ on protests sparked by a government tax proposal.

www.aljazeera.com

etc ..

 

[feralkid]

Damn.

 

[tweaker2]

Colombia's ruling class should take a lesson from our nation's Republicans where the leadership of said party can pursue a takedown of the nation's essential social services in broad daylight and have their own working class and poor members that will be most affected by those efforts hail and reelect their leaders for trying to raise their taxes and take their social security benefits, their medicare and every other gov't sponsored program away from them.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

LATAM is our middle east and will consistently keep erupting into chaos.

Regardless of how peace would be nice, I don't see anything for the next 50+ years.

 

[VW MAN]

LATAM is our middle east and will consistently keep erupting into chaos.

Regardless of how peace would be nice, I don't see anything for the next 50+ years.

Of course you dont see anything, too busy yelling at your mirror!

 

[pauldun170]

“Colombia’s public security organism are still operating under the anachronistic doctrines of anti-communism, of an internal enemy, and as such protesters aren’t seen as citizens but as legitimate military targets that need to be taken out – no matter what.”

Why does that seem so...familiar?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I don't see anything for the next 50+ years.

Actually ending the war on drugs would go a long way. Probably be enough to push most countries over the edge into normalcy.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Actually ending the war on drugs would go a long way. Probably be enough to push most countries over the edge into normalcy.

So legalize everything, including heroin, meth, fentanyl, etc?

Or just decriminalize it?

Unless capitalism starts selling fentanyl like we do with weed stores, how does it stop the overall demand? And regardless of legalizing weed, the illegal market is still alive and well even in legalized states?

It really won't go a long way. They are shitholes and will remain as such. Keep in mind - I'm in full favor of legalization + decriminalization - but outside of bankrupting our private prison practices, how exactly does that lead to prosperity and non-corruption in Venezuela, Columbia, etc?

 

[nakedfrog]

LATAM is our middle east and will consistently keep erupting into chaos.

Regardless of how peace would be nice, I don't see anything for the next 50+ years.

I thought the Middle East was already our Middle East?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I thought the Middle East was already our Middle East?

Yes, but the difference is we don't have to pay Turkey $7.3 Billion to get them to be gate-keepers like the oh-so-welcoming EU does

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

So legalize everything, including heroin, meth, fentanyl, etc?

Or just decriminalize it?

Unless capitalism starts selling fentanyl like we do with weed stores, how does it stop the overall demand? And regardless of legalizing weed, the illegal market is still alive and well even in legalized states?

It really won't go a long way. They are shitholes and will remain as such. Keep in mind - I'm in full favor of legalization + decriminalization - but outside of bankrupting our private prison practices, how exactly does that lead to prosperity and non-corruption in Venezuela, Columbia, etc?

I dunno, funnel all the money currently going to the war on drugs/militarized police, to education and uplifting the poorest, so they don't have a desire to escape into shit like meth and fentanyl? You can't fix things by maintaining the status quo.

Not to say that the US is the only buyer of this shit, but it's the biggest last time I checked.

I'd say, decriminalize everything, then focus on improving the populations that are still trying to get it.

 

[Zorba]

Actually ending the war on drugs would go a long way. Probably be enough to push most countries over the edge into normalcy.

I support decriminalizing use/possession, but I don't see how even full legalization would really help these countries. It seems like it would just prevent a lot of money following into them. Yeah, it'd hurt the curtails, but I doubt they'd just fade away.

I do wish we could do something to lift up Latin America, though. It'd be great if all the Americas were stable countries.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I support decriminalizing use/possession, but I don't see how even full legalization would really help these countries. It seems like it would just prevent a lot of money following into them. Yeah, it'd hurt the curtails, but I doubt they'd just fade away.

Primarily by starving the cartels, like you said. Cut the resources, and cut the demand, they don't have much reason to exist, nor a way to. It'll collapse them down to a more reasonable front that's more easily assailable.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Primarily by starving the cartels, like you said. Cut the resources, and cut the demand, they don't have much reason to exist, nor a way to. It'll collapse them down to a more reasonable front that's more easily assailable.

Cartels have already moved on to plenty of other "legal" (sort of) ways of making money. Be it with legal crops, whiskey/alcohol, oil siphoning - and even investments through shell companies.

The politicians are already corrupted - so it's really just in essence an entirely corrupt government in the pockets of the cartels. You have to learn to stop thinking of them separately.

These countries are corrupt. They are run by the cartels - there is no separation, there is no "fix" that I can think of outside of military action.

The Shocking Truth Behind How Drug Cartels Make Money When You Eat Tacos

Step away from the carnitas.

spoonuniversity.com

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Cartels have already moved on to plenty of other "legal" (sort of) ways of making money. Be it with legal crops, whiskey/alcohol, oil siphoning - and even investments through shell companies.

The politicians are already corrupted - so it's really just in essence an entirely corrupt government in the pockets of the cartels. You have to learn to stop thinking of them separately.

These countries are corrupt. They are run by the cartels - there is no separation, there is no "fix" that I can think of outside of military action.

The Shocking Truth Behind How Drug Cartels Make Money When You Eat Tacos

Step away from the carnitas.

spoonuniversity.com

Well then they're just an average country. Legal enterprises, bolstered via corrupt government officials in the pockets of a handful of elites, who does that remind you of?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Well then they're just an average country. Legal enterprises, bolstered via corrupt government officials in the pockets of a handful of elites, who does that remind you of?

You had logical arguments - then you just have to go woke and throw all rationale out the window.

Do you want to virtue signal in life or talk about how to solve problems?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You had logical arguments - then you just have to go woke and throw all rationale out the window.

Do you want to virtue signal in life or talk about how to solve problems?

I was being snarky, but the point still stands. If they're behaving like an average country, what is there to fix? Sure they kill their citizens, but so do we, so... what's the point of the OP's article then?

Unless you think it's different, if so, how?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Cartels have already moved on to plenty of other "legal" (sort of) ways of making money. Be it with legal crops, whiskey/alcohol, oil siphoning - and even investments through shell companies.

The politicians are already corrupted - so it's really just in essence an entirely corrupt government in the pockets of the cartels. You have to learn to stop thinking of them separately.

These countries are corrupt. They are run by the cartels - there is no separation, there is no "fix" that I can think of outside of military action.

The Shocking Truth Behind How Drug Cartels Make Money When You Eat Tacos

Step away from the carnitas.

spoonuniversity.com

America is responsible for much of the mess in central/south America thanks to its cold war shenanigans and then subsequently the war on drugs.

These countries did NOT get to this place on their own. We've spent years supporting state sponsored terrorism in Columbia (and other countries).

 

[hal2kilo]

Still waiting for this news event. Nope, nothing yet. If I have to search for it on the interwebs, can it really be this big a deal?

 

[Thump553]

Columbia was in revolution from 1964 to 2016. It was a struggle between the government, the guerrillas and the cartels and towards the end Columbia came pretty close to becoming a lawless state. It took a huge effort which much compromise on both sides for the government and the guerrillas to reach a peace agreement which really looked like it was working.

Frontline (PBS) had a great two part series recently about the repercussions of Covid around the world, and one of the main people they featured a man from the Bogota mayor's office whose main job (pre-Covid) was implementing the peace agreement. Columbia had made a major recovery, but like too many countries the poor literally faced starvation in any sort of covid lockdown. We may see this sort of thing pop up across the "third world" in the next year or so.

 

[dank69]

Still waiting for this news event. Nope, nothing yet. If I have to search for it on the interwebs, can it really be this big a deal?

Here, have some nightmares:

https://imgur.com/a/QQIM0yi

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1391789951281504259

getting worse by the day

 

[hal2kilo]

Why is this not all over MSM?

 

[hal2kilo]

Why is this not all over MSM?

OK. It's now news. Saw my first report on CNN. Must have finally showed up on the AP. Lazy bastards.

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1538647257192583169

Like most of larger South American countries, they've elected in a left leaning government, Bolsonaro's time in Brazil will be up shortly leaving only Ecuador with a right leaning government.