There are so many young, opinionated people on here...

[WhiteKnight]

Originally posted by: jumpr
You think this is bad? Try The Democratic Underground. Their forums are the wildest I've ever seen.

Except there's no debate - they're all liberals.

I just looked at that thing. How can anyone on that forum even leave their houses in the morning? It seems to me that they would all be afraid that they would be killed as a result of the vast right wing conspiracy.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: slycat
u all sux equally!

But I'm more equal!

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

i think there will be a vocabulary difference but i don't really expect there to be a huge maturity difference.

i'm 38, i get along real well with kids at our church that are in their teens.

i see many old old people that are crochety and cranky.

it's just temperment.

Interesting. So you believe that from 15-30 a huge change in maturity does not take place, and that mostly vocabulary improves.

I believe that people become calmer as they get older, and that teenagers have a lot of angst due to increased hormone levels.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

i think there will be a vocabulary difference but i don't really expect there to be a huge maturity difference.

i'm 38, i get along real well with kids at our church that are in their teens.

i see many old old people that are crochety and cranky.

it's just temperment.

Interesting. So you believe that from 15-30 a huge change in maturity does not take place, and that mostly vocabulary improves.

I believe that people become calmer as they get older, and that teenagers have a lot of angst due to increased hormone levels.

then how do you explain people like al sharpton, or rush limbaugh??? age has nothing to do with temperment...or intelligence

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

i think there will be a vocabulary difference but i don't really expect there to be a huge maturity difference.

i'm 38, i get along real well with kids at our church that are in their teens.

i see many old old people that are crochety and cranky.

it's just temperment.

Interesting. So you believe that from 15-30 a huge change in maturity does not take place, and that mostly vocabulary improves.

I believe that people become calmer as they get older, and that teenagers have a lot of angst due to increased hormone levels.

mb in real life but not on forums. most of the social mores that guide our lives in real person to person contact doesn't apply online.

at least they don't to me. i'm way different online than i am in real life.

 

[Marshallj]

Let me paint a picture for you, this is a good example.

I've been going to a car forum for a few years now. A few years back, the cars were more expensive, and therefore the average age of the owner was older. But as time goes on, the price drops and it becomes more affordable, especially to younger owners. As a result, many people on the forum have noticed a drop in the maturity level on the forums. The long time veterans of the forum agree that the faces they are beginning to see are much younger than the faces they used to see. And it's no surprise to them why the tone on the board is getting more immature.

 

[Zenmervolt]

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
Let me paint a picture for you, this is a good example.

I've been going to a car forum for a few years now. A few years back, the cars were more expensive, and therefore the average age of the owner was older. But as time goes on, the price drops and it becomes more affordable, especially to younger owners. As a result, many people on the forum have noticed a drop in the maturity level on the forums. The long time veterans of the forum agree that the faces they are beginning to see are much younger than the faces they used to see. And it's no surprise to them why the tone on the board is getting more immature.

hehehehe

the good ole days syndrome.

you know of course that this isn't a phenomenon found only on online forums right??

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
Interesting. So you believe that from 15-30 a huge change in maturity does not take place, and that mostly vocabulary improves.

I believe that people become calmer as they get older, and that teenagers have a lot of angst due to increased hormone levels.

As a teenager (wow) I can say that I've seen quite a few folks above 25 years of age that "have a lot of angst". And I've observed that things like temperment and maturity depend more on the person than that person's age group. Seriously though, Mj judging by some of the posts that LeeTJ generously supplied us with, I'm thinking that you're below the age of 15 right atleast by your definition............

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Marshallj
Let me paint a picture for you, this is a good example.

I've been going to a car forum for a few years now. A few years back, the cars were more expensive, and therefore the average age of the owner was older. But as time goes on, the price drops and it becomes more affordable, especially to younger owners. As a result, many people on the forum have noticed a drop in the maturity level on the forums. The long time veterans of the forum agree that the faces they are beginning to see are much younger than the faces they used to see. And it's no surprise to them why the tone on the board is getting more immature.

hehehehe

the good ole days syndrome.

you know of course that this isn't a phenomenon found only on online forums right??

Indeed...........

 

[4Lclovergirl]

Here's a suggestion. If a thread turns into a flame war, stop reading it, and don't add fuel to the fire. If no one continues a flame fest, then it ends.

And those people can carry it to private topics or PM if they want to continue it, but you no longer need be bothereed by it.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: rudeguy5757


then how do you explain people like al sharpton, or rush limbaugh??? age has nothing to do with temperment...or intelligence

Age has to do with hormone levels, and hormone levels have a lot to do with temperament. When a guy is going through puberty, his testosterone levels are a lot higher, and testosterone is known to cause aggressiveness. As we age the hormone level drops, and the level of aggressiveness drops.

This isn't a far-fetched theory, this is well known and documented.

You can read about it here:


here

"Boy's testes release large quantities of the androgen testosterone, which leads to muscle growth, body and facial hair, and other male sex characteristics. Testosterone also contributes to gains in body size. The production of hormones is associated with emotionality, specifically aggressive behavior in boys. These effects may be greatest when the endocrine system is being turned on. "

and

"A common belief is that pubertal change has something to do with adolescent moodiness and the desire for greater physical and emotional separation from parents. "Indeed, higher hormone levels are related to greater moodiness, in the form of anger and irritability for males and anger and depression for females, between nine and fourteen years of age (Berk, 1997)(Brooks-Gunn & Warren, 1989; Noltelmann et. Al., 1990)"

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: 4Lclovergirl
Here's a suggestion. If a thread turns into a flame war, stop reading it, and don't add fuel to the fire. If no one continues a flame fest, then it ends.

And those people can carry it to private topics or PM if they want to continue it, but you no longer need be bothereed by it.

wow...good advise 4Lclovergirl....too bad more people dont follow that rule

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: 4Lclovergirl
Here's a suggestion. If a thread turns into a flame war, stop reading it, and don't add fuel to the fire. If no one continues a flame fest, then it ends.

And those people can carry it to private topics or PM if they want to continue it, but you no longer need be bothereed by it.

wow...good advise 4Lclovergirl....too bad more people dont follow that rule

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: rudeguy5757


then how do you explain people like al sharpton, or rush limbaugh??? age has nothing to do with temperment...or intelligence

Age has to do with hormone levels, and hormone levels have a lot to do with temperament. When a guy is going through puberty, his testosterone levels are a lot higher, and testosterone is known to cause aggressiveness. As we age the hormone level drops, and the level of aggressiveness drops.

This isn't a far-fetched theory, this is well known and documented.

You can read about it here:


here

"Boy's testes release large quantities of the androgen testosterone, which leads to muscle growth, body and facial hair, and other male sex characteristics. Testosterone also contributes to gains in body size. The production of hormones is associated with emotionality, specifically aggressive behavior in boys. These effects may be greatest when the endocrine system is being turned on. "

and

"A common belief is that pubertal change has something to do with adolescent moodiness and the desire for greater physical and emotional separation from parents. "Indeed, higher hormone levels are related to greater moodiness, in the form of anger and irritability for males and anger and depression for females, between nine and fourteen years of age (Berk, 1997)(Brooks-Gunn & Warren, 1989; Noltelmann et. Al., 1990)"

you completely disregarded my question...how do you explain the two examples I gave...and the thousands more peopele out there...and no they are not the exeption to the rule before you say it...

 

[eakers]

more like, why don't you do a search for the age poll and find out how old we are

neeeeeeeerd.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
[But no matter where you go (unless it's to a board where they all share the exact same view), there's going to be arguing and flaming... and it has NOTHING to do with age

I disagree. I think age has a lot to do with it.

You're trying to tell me that a 30 year old guy and a 15 year old boy are going to have the same temperament? You don't think that there's a maturity difference there?

What does maturity have to do with temperament? I see many 'temperamental' adults.

 

[Conky]

What an obvious troll.

Don't be playa hating gramps!

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: rudeguy5757


then how do you explain people like al sharpton, or rush limbaugh??? age has nothing to do with temperment...or intelligence

Age has to do with hormone levels, and hormone levels have a lot to do with temperament. When a guy is going through puberty, his testosterone levels are a lot higher, and testosterone is known to cause aggressiveness. As we age the hormone level drops, and the level of aggressiveness drops.

This isn't a far-fetched theory, this is well known and documented.

You can read about it here:
[SNIP]

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: wizardLRU
Seriously though, Mj judging by some of the posts that LeeTJ generously supplied us with, I'm thinking that you're below the age of 15 right atleast by your definition

You are breaking one of the cardinal rules of debating. Instead of focusing on my point and addressing that, you are focusing on the person and attacking them. This is considered a "personal foul" in a debate.

Here are some good tips that we all (including myself) can benefit from:

Debating Tips

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: 4Lclovergirl
Here's a suggestion. If a thread turns into a flame war, stop reading it, and don't add fuel to the fire. If no one continues a flame fest, then it ends.

And those people can carry it to private topics or PM if they want to continue it, but you no longer need be bothereed by it.

Good advice, thanks.

 

[Atlantean]

If you don't like it then leave old man... how old are you???

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: wizardLRU
Seriously though, Mj judging by some of the posts that LeeTJ generously supplied us with, I'm thinking that you're below the age of 15 right atleast by your definition

You are breaking one of the cardinal rules of debating. Instead of focusing on my point and addressing that, you are focusing on the person and attacking them. This is considered a "personal foul" in a debate.

Here are some good tips that we all (including myself) can benefit from:

Debating Tips

we arent in a formal debate...we are in a forum...you keep trying to blow off everyone's legit comments about yourself and your views....it kind of reminds me of the fat kid that gets beat up in high school, and is like "no fair...you cant hit me in school!"




-stop posting

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
I've been to other forums and found them to be more civil, but on here the average age of the members must be pretty young. It seems that nearly every thread turns into a flame fest because some kid gets offended and goes off.

I'd be willing to bet that most (not all, but most) people on here are from 15-25. Hormones are raging, tempers are flaring, and everyone's trying to exercize their opinion, no matter how misguided and/or uninformed it is. College kids especially, they're coming into the "real world" and are trying to be heard, and are making waves(which is why you see so many college age kids that are protesters, such as the anti-war protesters and WTO protesters).

Can't conversations be kept civil? Or must everyone resort to name calling?

One of the most basic rules of debating is to attack the point, not the person making it.

I encourage people to try to step back, cool off, and be civil.


PS- please do not take offense and turn an pro-civility, anti-flame thread into a flamefest.

it probably doesn't help that you belittle the opinions of others by assuming they are held solely for the purpose of "making waves". there is a school of thought that believes you must give respect in order to receive it.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: wizardLRU
Seriously though, Mj judging by some of the posts that LeeTJ generously supplied us with, I'm thinking that you're below the age of 15 right atleast by your definition

You are breaking one of the cardinal rules of debating. Instead of focusing on my point and addressing that, you are focusing on the person and attacking them. This is considered a "personal foul" in a debate.

Here are some good tips that we all (including myself) can benefit from:

Debating Tips

Try visiting the CNN forum, and you'll see some of the most intelligent posts... but you'll also see plenty of flaming as well. It has nothing to do with maturity. The power of deindividualization due to the anonymity of the web causes people to behave in ways they normally don't... which includes flaming. So it's not fair to pick on 15-25 year olds.