There are riots going on in Paris

ThePresence

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Seems like it's happeneing for a few days already, I didn't see anything on the news...
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Anger Spreads Across Paris Suburbs After Death of Muslim Boys

By Molly Moore
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, November 2, 2005; 9:42 AM

PARIS, Nov. 2 -- Clashes between angry youths and French police spread to at least six Paris suburbs overnight, with police firing tear gas and rubber-coated bullets at street fighters who lobbed Molotov cocktails and burned cars and trash bins.

With unrest expanding through the northern suburbs of high-rise apartments that house some of France's poorest immigrant populations, senior government officials were debating how to curb the violence during Wednesday morning's weekly cabinet meeting.

The clashes began last Thursday after two African Muslim teenagers were electrocuted in the northeastern suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois while trying to evade police. On Sunday, as the street fighting continued, a police tear gas canister landed inside a mosque during Ramadan prayers, further inflaming the impoverished communities.

On Tuesday night, sporadic fighting crossed into the suburbs from Clichy-sous-Bois to Aulnay-sous-Bois where groups of youths threw stones at police in riot gear and torched 15 cars.

France-Info radio reported about 150 fires throughout the area, including 69 vehicles and dozens of garbage bins.

Adel Benna tried to put himself in the shoes of his shy 17-year-old brother, Ziad, and two teenage friends who scaled a wall and leapt into the cables of a power substation last Thursday evening -- willing to face electrocution rather than the French police officers they were trying to evade in this impoverished Paris suburb.

"Young people don't just throw themselves into an electrical current," Benna said Tuesday, his voice trembling in anger. "They looked behind them and saw something that made them so terrified, so desperate, they did it out of absolute fear. I hate the police. They are responsible for my brother's death."

Ziad Benna and his friend Bouna Traore, 15, sons of working-class African Muslim immigrants, were both electrocuted. A third youth survived.

It set off five days of rioting, firebombing and car burning that continued here at least through Tuesday.

Groups of young men have attacked postal service vans and a police station, and set fire to trash bins during the rampages. The French news media reported that about three dozen law enforcement officials and rioters have been injured in the violence.

The street fighting less than an hour's subway ride from the heart of Paris has underscored France's failed efforts to stem the growing unrest within a largely Muslim immigrant population that feels disenfranchised and is beset by high unemployment and crime. An estimated 6 million Muslims live in France, many of them in dismal high-rise enclaves like this one.

"It's unemployment, it's pressure -- it just exploded," Bouhout Abderrahmane, 54, who heads the local Muslim Cultural Association, said Tuesday morning, visibly exhausted after an all-night effort to quell the continuing violence in this town.

Many residents were outraged Sunday night when a police tear gas canister was thrown into a local mosque during prayers for Ramadan, the Muslim holy month. About 700 coughing and panicked worshipers ran for the doors.

Residents accused the police of deliberately attacking the mosque. French officials said they were investigating the incident, which occurred during police skirmishes with youths near the place of worship, a white concrete box of a building attached to a small grocery.

The violence focused criticism on Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, a prominent candidate in the 2007 presidential stakes. The week before the youths' deaths, he had announced "a war without mercy" on crime in the Paris suburbs.

Sarkozy, who has also called for affirmative action programs, fumbled in his initial response to the violence. He at first referred to the two dead boys as juvenile delinquents who were wanted in connection with a robbery, then amended that to say they were suspected of vandalizing a construction site.

On Monday, during a visit to the nearby police station, he said the youths were "not criminals" and had no criminal records, and promised a full investigation so that "everyone will know the truth."

In response to the crime problem in the suburbs, Sarkozy said he would deploy more police on the streets and dispatch more undercover agents to penetrate criminal gangs. He said he would start an experimental program in Clichy-sous-Bois to mount video cameras atop police cars to record the actions of suspects and to show that "police are behaving properly" during arrests.

Residents say more police will only exacerbate tensions.

"People are fed up with being controlled by cops, being stopped over and over," said Jean-Jacques Eyquem, a 53-year-old taxi driver who has lived in this town of 28,000 for most of his life.

"My brother paid the price of zero tolerance with his life," Adel Benna, brother of one of the dead youths, said in an interview, referring to Sarkozy's anti-crime mantra.

According to Benna, his brother and two other friends had been playing a game of pickup soccer and were on their way home to break the daily Ramadan fast last Thursday when they spotted a police checkpoint. Officers there were demanding identity papers, a common tactic in the high-crime neighborhoods of the Paris suburbs.

One of the boys had left his papers at home, Benna said. Hungry and fearful of being dragged into the police station after a day of fasting, they tried to dodge the checkpoint, Benna said.

Witnesses told the family that police began chasing the boys, according to Benna and other relatives. French officials have given several versions of the incident, with some officials saying that although the youths were not pursued by police, they believed they were being chased, and panicked. The teenager who survived, the son of Turkish immigrants, is undergoing surgery for severe burns, according to family members.

In a memorial march for the two youths over the weekend, a group of friends and neighbors wore white T-shirts emblazoned with the French words for "Dead for nothing."

Benna described his brother, Ziad, the youngest of five children, as "very shy, very nice, very helpful -- he was a good boy, the baby of the family."

Their father works for the city of Paris as a truck driver based just a block from the Eiffel Tower, in one of the city's most affluent neighborhoods. As he earned enough money over the years, he brought members of his family from their native Tunisia to live in the small apartment in a shabby, 11-story high-rise in Clichy-sous-Bois, which means Clichy Under the Woods. All signs of woods disappeared decades ago.

Ziad, who arrived four years ago, was struggling to learn French in school, Benna said. In a community where 25 percent of all heads of household are unemployed, Ziad was thrilled that his high school teacher had arranged for him to start a vocational training program this week, according to his brother.

UPDATE: It's really falling apart there, now they're shooting at policemen. Text
 

spidey07

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"The clashes began last Thursday after two African Muslim teenagers were electrocuted in the northeastern suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois while trying to evade police"

Just goes to show that "hey dummy crook, don't run from the police" isn't just an american way of life.
 

D1gger

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Looks like someone needs to invade France again and impose civil peace.
 

Queasy

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Yep. Muslim Youths riot for the Sixth Straight Night in France
Violence has erupted for a sixth night in the troubled suburbs north-east of Paris with police firing rubber bullets and tear gas as they face down gangs of youths in Aulnay-sous-Bois, according to witnesses.

A store was set afire in the nearby suburb of Bondy, France-Info radio reported.

No trouble was immediately reported in Clichy-sous-Bois, where rioting began last Thursday following the accidental deaths of two teenagers. The latest violence broke out as Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy met in Paris with youths and officials from Clichy-sous-Bois.

An Associated Press Television news team reported confrontations between about 20 police and 40 youths in Aulnay-sous-Bois with police firing tear gas and rubber bullets.

France-Info said that about 100 fires burned in numerous suburbs of the Seine-Saint-Denis region, an area of soaring unemployment, delinquency and other urban ills.

A carpet store in the town of Bondy was set afire, and cars were burning in Bondy and Sevran, France-Info reported.

Tension had mounted after angry young men torched cars, garbage bins and even a primary school in several days of rioting that highlighted the division between France's big cities and their poor satellites where disenchantment thrives.

Violence by these Muslim youths in France seem to be par for the course though.
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Sarkozy says that violence in French suburbs is a daily fact of life.

Since the start of the year, 9,000 police cars have been stoned and, each night, 20 to 40 cars are torched, Sarkozy said in an interview last week with the newspaper Le Monde.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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I can't help but think the whole thing is funny in a way. I mean seriously, the entire thing is happening because two teens who thought they were being chased by police did something illiegal and stupid and got themselves killed. Even more interesting, the police had nothing to do with it (it isn't as if the police shot the wrong people with tasers and it killed them).
 

DeMeo

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This is great news.

Maybe they should go to the U.N. for help, or better yet, call John Kerry.


 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: DeMeo
This is great news.

Maybe they should go to the U.N. for help, or better yet, call John Kerry.

:thumbsup: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Why can't peace-loving muslims hold peaceful demonstrations?


Because the "peaceful" part of their religion only applies to other Muslims.....non-Muslims are considered infidels and thus a good Muslim should kill them according to the strict interpretaion of the faith. My best and dearest friend is Muslim and his family has foresaken their religion because of it's TRUE meaning.
 

JulesMaximus

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Wow, that sucks. I guess they have some real social problems going on there they're going to need to address.
 

meister

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the article itself is misleading...

it said the kids were 'hungry and fearful' and ran from police. However they just 'completed a day of fasting'.

hmmm.... doesn't sound right to me.

Mark
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Yep. Muslim Youths riot for the Sixth Straight Night in France
Violence has erupted for a sixth night in the troubled suburbs north-east of Paris with police firing rubber bullets and tear gas as they face down gangs of youths in Aulnay-sous-Bois, according to witnesses.

A store was set afire in the nearby suburb of Bondy, France-Info radio reported.

No trouble was immediately reported in Clichy-sous-Bois, where rioting began last Thursday following the accidental deaths of two teenagers. The latest violence broke out as Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy met in Paris with youths and officials from Clichy-sous-Bois.

An Associated Press Television news team reported confrontations between about 20 police and 40 youths in Aulnay-sous-Bois with police firing tear gas and rubber bullets.

France-Info said that about 100 fires burned in numerous suburbs of the Seine-Saint-Denis region, an area of soaring unemployment, delinquency and other urban ills.

A carpet store in the town of Bondy was set afire, and cars were burning in Bondy and Sevran, France-Info reported.

Tension had mounted after angry young men torched cars, garbage bins and even a primary school in several days of rioting that highlighted the division between France's big cities and their poor satellites where disenchantment thrives.

Violence by these Muslim youths in France seem to be par for the course though.
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Sarkozy says that violence in French suburbs is a daily fact of life.

Since the start of the year, 9,000 police cars have been stoned and, each night, 20 to 40 cars are torched, Sarkozy said in an interview last week with the newspaper Le Monde.

I'm surprised the government hasn't surrendered yet
 

deadlyapp

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I'm confused, so these teens were running from the cops and electrocuted THEMSELVES?

God, what a twisted world when other people are outraged because they essentially commited suicide.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: meister
the article itself is misleading...

it said the kids were 'hungry and fearful' and ran from police. However they just 'completed a day of fasting'.

hmmm.... doesn't sound right to me.

Mark

Maybe that's teh reason they were hungry. :)