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[theatlantic] Why Did Susan G. Komen Pull the Plug on Planned Parenthood?

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senseamp said:
No need to yell, I get your argument, it just doesn't absolve the GOP from the consequences of targeting PP.
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Gee, so in your world the GOP is responsible when some third party organization decides to enact rules and no longer fund another organization? Can you share with us what other organizations (other than PP) should be held to be "beyond investigation" of congress? You're such a tool.
 
PokerGuy said:
Gee, so in your world the GOP is responsible when some third party organization decides to enact rules and no longer fund another organization? Can you share with us what other organizations (other than PP) should be held to be "beyond investigation" of congress? You're such a tool.
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I hold the GOP responsible when one of their hacks a self perscribed PP hater gets imbedded into Komen and gets a rule change enacted just to screw with PPs funding. All this based on lies.
 
PokerGuy said:
So the details of Komen's slimy behavior and using the investigation as an excuse to dump PP come out, a giant sh*tstorm erupts, and now Komen backpedals in furious damage control mode.

Too late as far as I'm concerned, I won't support them anymore, they've shown their true colors.
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This, tbfh. Komen now needs to fire the people responsible for this idiocy.
 
Jaskalas said:
Abortion is in the millions, not thousands.
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There are approx 1.2million abortions performed in the US a year. Roughly 12% of all abortions are done for medical reasons.

Planned Parenthood offices perform around 27% of the total number of abortions. Many Planned Parenthood offices do not perform abortions.
 
HomerJS said:
I hold the GOP responsible when one of their hacks a self perscribed PP hater gets imbedded into Komen and gets a rule change enacted just to screw with PPs funding. All this based on lies.
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So, you're going to hold the entire GOP party responsible, because you believe someone who is a gop member does something you don't like. Does that mean you hold the entire democratic party responsible when a democrat does something? Like commit a crime?

You and senseamp should get together and form the tool club 😀
 
Kadarin said:
This, tbfh. Komen now needs to fire the people responsible for this idiocy.
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Doesn't matter, Komen is toast. If you mismanage a policy change that outrages one side in a lightning rod political issue, the worst thing you can do is change your mind and outrage the other side by flip-flopping back. Komen should have just quietly let the grant to PP lapse at the end of the year instead of using an investigation as an excuse to cut it off now. Even from their apology they're making clear that's their new approach; and I bet other organizations won't make the mistake of donating to PP in the first place considering the shitstorm that PP raises if you don't continue donating. It's not worth the headache to deal with the ungrateful bastards. A pox on both the Komen and PP households, they're both turds.
 
PP is coming out of this a lot stronger. Defunding PP is now seen as an attack on women's health, which is what it is. PP is the go to place for a lot of low income women for check ups and basic care. Pro-lifers should know better than throwing the baby out with the bath water 😀
 
CitizenKain said:
But you are for women dying while getting unsafe abortions. Because that is all outlawing abortion will do.
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I'd need to dig up the statistic about this but I believe that the epidemic of women dying in back-alley abortions before Roe v. Wade was pretty wildly exaggerated. Don't get me wrong, I am ardently pro-choice for early term abortions but I cringe when people make these kinds of spurious pro-abortion rights arguments.
 
This PR fiasco is what happens when organizations that are not used to playing in the big boy world of politics get involved in it. They don't know yet how to navigate the currents of politics, and those currents are much different than the currents a non-profit charity normally faces.
 
senseamp said:
PP is coming out of this a lot stronger. Defunding PP is now seen as an attack on women's health, which is what it is. PP is the go to place for a lot of low income women for check ups and basic care. Pro-lifers should know better than throwing the baby out with the bath water 😀
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Well by your reasoning you should now thank the GOP. 😛
 
If there are nearly 1 million miscarriages a year (U.S.), should all those mothers be held responsible? Are they mothers?

What if they drank? Smoked? How much behavior do you want to control?
 
CitizenKain said:
But you are for women dying while getting unsafe abortions. Because that is all outlawing abortion will do.
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So abortion should be legalized just to prevent women from dying from engaging in otherwise illegal activities (ie, back alley abortions)?

Or, let me ask another question. Do you believe drugs should be legalized?
 
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senseamp said:
Doesn't matter. The funding was cut as a result of the investigation.
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Prove that Komen did not want to cut funding for some other reason and used the Congressional investigation as an excuse so they wouldn't take as much heat.

And I always thought the left was against private companies having the ability to dictate the actions of Congress.
 
senseamp said:
Ah, the capitalism will take care of it argument. Yeah, capitalism is really interested in taking care of women who can't afford care.
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Who says those women are entitled to care? I have to pay insurance and/or medical fees for all my care, and so should the woman, especially since her "care" could have been avoided altogether if she was smart enough to use a contraceptive.
 
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