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The world would be a better place without religion

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Originally posted by: Ausm
religion was created to explain the unexplainable...


Ausm

and yet it fails to give a satisfactory explanation . . . that's why there are thousands of religons. 😛
:roll:
 
Originally posted by: lizardboy
Convince me I'm wrong.
only you can convince you of any faith you choose to hold.

though my parents not being crack-addicts anymore because of turning to Christ sure tells me that something good can come from 'religion' as you put it.
 
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: lizardboy
Convince me I'm wrong.
only you can convince you of any faith you choose to hold.

though my parents not being crack-addicts anymore because of turning to Christ sure tells me that something good can come from 'religion' as you put it.

Many addicts turn to religion with good results. All have shown that they can't live the life they want without believing the alternative is eternal damnation (most people are able to achieve moderation in their lives without this...). Many improve their lives because religion is, in a way, like a "Life Manual". Most, though, merely switch their addiction from their drug of choice to Jesus. Whether this is better or not, I'm not sure...
 
All have shown that they can't live the life they want without believing the alternative is eternal damnation
more about the freedom salvation brings, damnation is something most drug addicts know all to well

Whether this is better or not, I'm not sure...
as the child of a former free-base addict, I can assure you, it?s much better.

and, interestingly enough, they don't go to church or get that spiritual high... it's just about humble submission to the lord and the free forgiveness and salvation that God can bring, with just a little faith.
 
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
All have shown that they can't live the life they want without believing the alternative is eternal damnation
more about the freedom salvation brings, damnation is something most drug addicts know all to well

Not at all, it's about moderation. Actually very similar to another problem plaguing modern societies - obesity. Using drugs, like eating too much fatty food, feels good in the short term, but leads to problems in the long term if overdone. Leading the life one wants often entails saying no to short-term pleasures or partaking in them in moderation, and it's becoming harder as modern society makes it easier & cheaper to acquire food, drugs, and other products & services that can pose problems if abused. Seeing it in terms of salvation vs. damnation tells me you're very religious, but please at least try to see it logically.
 
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
All have shown that they can't live the life they want without believing the alternative is eternal damnation
more about the freedom salvation brings, damnation is something most drug addicts know all to well
Whether this is better or not, I'm not sure...
as the child of a former free-base addict, I can assure you, it?s much better.

and, interestingly enough, they don't go to church or get that spiritual high... it's just about humble submission to the lord and the free forgiveness and salvation that God can bring, with just a little faith.

Not at all, it's about moderation... Seeing it in terms of salvation vs. damnation tells me you're very religious, but please at least try to see it logically.
your not a very good addict if it?s ?all about moderation?

Do you presume that all drugs are used by addicts? Or do you just presume that I see things that way?

Drugs, sex, alcohol, sports, religion, etc; all have a place, a time, a use, and a limit to how much you can spend focused on them before they consume you.

Either way, I?m not very religious, just devout in my faith.
As clearly this anti-religion fellow is devoted to his faith.
 
if we didn't have religion, how would complete smacktards be able to justify their existance? Concepts like the Big Bang and modern physics, biology, archeology and chemitsry are just too much for 70% of the population to be able to absorb to a level at which they will be comforatable enough to live out their lives.
 
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
All have shown that they can't live the life they want without believing the alternative is eternal damnation
more about the freedom salvation brings, damnation is something most drug addicts know all to well
Whether this is better or not, I'm not sure...
as the child of a former free-base addict, I can assure you, it?s much better.

and, interestingly enough, they don't go to church or get that spiritual high... it's just about humble submission to the lord and the free forgiveness and salvation that God can bring, with just a little faith.

Not at all, it's about moderation... Seeing it in terms of salvation vs. damnation tells me you're very religious, but please at least try to see it logically.
your not a very good addict if it?s ?all about moderation?

Do you presume that all drugs are used by addicts? Or do you just presume that I see things that way?

Drugs, sex, alcohol, sports, religion, etc; all have a place, a time, a use, and a limit to how much you can spend focused on them before they consume you.

Either way, I?m not very religious, just devout in my faith.
As clearly this anti-religion fellow is devoted to his faith.

Not sure where the miscommunication cropped up; that's what I was saying. I just don't see it in terms of damnation vs. salvation 😉
 
Originally posted by: Trey22
Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
He just threw a grenade into the forum...

And I just picked it right back up and threw it back... RIP idiot (OP not you).

Nice attitude - I'm guessing the faith you're representing in this thread is assholism.
 
The way I see it, religious people assume that ~30-50 people 2000-5000 years ago knew everything, negating the need for today's people to use their own brains to make decisions. Basically the attitude I see is "the Bible says it, so it must be true".

People who follow religion devoutly are essentially allowing others to decide their fate for them.
 
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
All have shown that they can't live the life they want without believing the alternative is eternal damnation
more about the freedom salvation brings, damnation is something most drug addicts know all to well
Whether this is better or not, I'm not sure...
as the child of a former free-base addict, I can assure you, it?s much better.

and, interestingly enough, they don't go to church or get that spiritual high... it's just about humble submission to the lord and the free forgiveness and salvation that God can bring, with just a little faith.

Not at all, it's about moderation... Seeing it in terms of salvation vs. damnation tells me you're very religious, but please at least try to see it logically.
your not a very good addict if it?s ?all about moderation?

Do you presume that all drugs are used by addicts? Or do you just presume that I see things that way?

Drugs, sex, alcohol, sports, religion, etc; all have a place, a time, a use, and a limit to how much you can spend focused on them before they consume you.

Either way, I?m not very religious, just devout in my faith.
As clearly this anti-religion fellow is devoted to his faith.

Not sure where the miscommunication cropped up; that's what I was saying. I just don't see it in terms of damnation vs. salvation 😉
if i use the psychological term 'psychosis' or the spiritual term 'daemon', other than some silly fool that may try an exorcism or psycho analysis, there isn't much difference as long as we're talking about the same thing.

hell and heaven are very real states of mind and places of existence here on earth, no need to wait for the great judgment to feel or see either.

no?
 
"The Jesus Factor" on PBS got my anti-religious fervor going recently. These morons are so excited to have someone in the Oval Office who calls himself an evangelical Christian that they're willing to overlook what an absolute moron the man is. I saw someone interviewed on the news recently who said something like, "I'm not sure who's right and who's wrong about Iraq, but my President is carrying out the Lord's work and that's enough for me." I swear, if Hitler called himself an Evangelical Fuhrer these zealots would vote for him.
 
Agreed.

More often than not, organized religion is used as an excuse to perform evil acts.

Therefor, I conclude that it is really evil.
Originally posted by: lizardboy
"The Jesus Factor" on PBS got my anti-religious fervor going recently. These morons are so excited to have someone in the Oval Office who calls himself an evangelical Christian that they're willing to overlook what an absolute moron the man is. I saw someone interviewed on the news recently who said something like, "I'm not sure who's right and who's wrong about Iraq, but my President is carrying out the Lord's work and that's enough for me." I swear, if Hitler called himself an Evangelical Fuhrer these zealots would vote for him.
Most likely. :|

Ugh, that's just wrong.
 
hese morons are so excited to have someone in the Oval Office who calls himself an evangelical Christian that they're willing to overlook what an absolute moron the man is.
bush is NO evangelical!

seriously, he's a Methodist, most of us here in the Christian right don't even take that as a face-value Christian religion... some are way to liberal.
 
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
hese morons are so excited to have someone in the Oval Office who calls himself an evangelical Christian that they're willing to overlook what an absolute moron the man is.
bush is NO evangelical!

seriously, he's a Methodist, most of us here in the Christian right don't even take that as a face-value Christian religion... some are way to liberal.
Oh Jesus fscking Christ. no pun intended.

Now liberals can't be Christians?

:roll:

I used to be of the Christian faith, until I realized it's all a bunch of phlegm.

When you realize that nomatter what your religion, it is up to you as an individual what kind of person you are, you realize that what you believe in doesen't matter. If you are a happy person, that is just fine with God & that is all any true God would ever want for his children.

Think about it. From every religions point of view, every other religion is full of sh!t and is rubbish. What does that tell you? From a 3rd party point of view, it tells you that they are all wrong.
 
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
if i use the psychological term 'psychosis' or the spiritual term 'daemon', other than some silly fool that may try an exorcism or psycho analysis, there isn't much difference as long as we're talking about the same thing.

hell and heaven are very real states of mind and places of existence here on earth, no need to wait for the great judgment to feel or see either.

no?

Not my choice of terminology, but agreed

Originally posted by: lizardboy
"The Jesus Factor" on PBS got my anti-religious fervor going recently. These morons are so excited to have someone in the Oval Office who calls himself an evangelical Christian that they're willing to overlook what an absolute moron the man is. I saw someone interviewed on the news recently who said something like, "I'm not sure who's right and who's wrong about Iraq, but my President is carrying out the Lord's work and that's enough for me." I swear, if Hitler called himself an Evangelical Fuhrer these zealots would vote for him.

O noes!!1 I don't much like him either, but the minute you say it all the P&N people take their arguments, which usually stay in that forum, to the offending thread, thus totally derailing it and getting it locked...
 
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