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The world would be a better place without religion

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someone once went off on this in a rant suggesting that religion has led to more pain, suffering and fighting than anything else.
but i guess thats not really true...religion is an intangible idea that everyone has their own interpretation of. much like love or hate, it is an abstract.
i argued that it is very easy to quantify the negative results of religion but absolutly impossible to quantify the "good" religion has brought about in our world.
therefore, the question is (although interesting and a useful tool for exploration) moot in terms of practicality.
 
I'm a religious studies major with sociology under it and I'd agree to a point. Religion DOES draw societies together, but it tears them from cultural integration. Look at China. Sure, their crime rate is low and all, but they share a common religious framework. Here, it's too diverse to work.
 
Originally posted by: lizardboy
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you arent wrong at all. the world WOULD be a better place without religion. It wont solve all problems, but only around 98% of them
 
Originally posted by: 32fear
I'm a religious studies major with sociology under it and I'd agree to a point. Religion DOES draw societies together, but it tears them from cultural integration. Look at China. Sure, their crime rate is low and all, but they share a common religious framework. Here, it's too diverse to work.
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So you're going for the Charlton Heston theory - the problem with American is all the non-white minorities?
 
Originally posted by: lizardboy
Originally posted by: 32fear
I'm a religious studies major with sociology under it and I'd agree to a point. Religion DOES draw societies together, but it tears them from cultural integration. Look at China. Sure, their crime rate is low and all, but they share a common religious framework. Here, it's too diverse to work.
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So you're going for the Charlton Heston theory - the problem with American is all the non-white minorities?
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No not all the non-whites, just the blacks.



KIDDDING!
 
Originally posted by: lizardboy
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How many people died under the communist boot in the name of Atheism?

The correct answer is... the world would be a better place if people kept their beliefs to their fvcking selves and stopped trying to force it down everyone elses throats... that means you too atheists...

-Max

 
The world wouldn't be as nice a place as it is without religion having played a part in its past. People would not have been seemingly selfless enough to form societies without the threat of truly believing eternal damnation was the only alternative. Instead of turning on your computer, a lamp to see by, and an air conditioner to cool you off while you post on AT, all due to having come together to form a society greater than the sum of its parts, you'd be starting a fire to cook dinner on.

However, much like our instincts to eat fatty foods and fear the unknown, religion is an no longer needed and indeed harming our further advancement. Unfortunately it will be a while before it's bred out of our genetic code, but society plays a big part in our thoughts on it as well, and fortunately it's taking a beating there. Priests aren't helping it any by porking little boys either 😉
 
So it's guns that kill people and not the people using the guns?
It's video games that cause problems with kids, not bad parenting?

The core of problems stem from people, from human nature, not from guns, video games, or religion. It is the people that are to blame for their actions. If you want to point blame, point it at humanity, not the tools of humanity.
 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: FleshLight
No, the world would be a better place without the wacko extremists.
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the world is DEFINITELY a better place because of fleshlight!

😀😀
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:thumbsup:😀

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: Gurck
it will be a while before it's bred out of our genetic
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religion is hard coded into or genetics? 😕
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Absolutely. Tendency to learn a language is as well.
 
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: FleshLight
No, the world would be a better place without the wacko extremists.
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the world is DEFINITELY a better place because of fleshlight!

😀😀
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:thumbsup:😀

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: Gurck
it will be a while before it's bred out of our genetic
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religion is hard coded into or genetics? 😕
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Absolutely. Tendency to learn a language is as well.
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Some would say that it an inborn desire to know and fellowship with the creator, but of course
no one on ATOT would every believe that. 🙂

 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
And the world would be perfect if people really understood what Jesus was trying to say.

But not even the Catholic church, nor any church since the original church, has understood that.

Edit: This was not meant to be an attack on the Catholic church, but on ALL denominations since the Original Church, being Christ Himself.
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The entire religion thing from Moses on - including Christianity - stinks of CONSPIRACY.

They Jews wanted to make themselves SPECIAL; the people by whom all other inferiors - gentiles - would bless themselves. They were "chosen" . . . to genocide thir neighbors. 😛

:roll:

Then the Arabs came up with a COMPETING religon and a SWORD to convert with.

What DID Jesus really say? He sure missed a lot of points or they were EDITED out. He claimed to be the Jewish Messiah and Split off from Judaism . . . . now ANYONE could be "saved" . . . not just natural jews.

What was the christian church like before Paul hijacked it? Clearly there were POLITICAL struggles in the early church?

more people would either think for themselves - or worship rocks. Religon is a scam that preys on FEAR of what's after death.

I wouldn't be sad to see it go.

 
Originally posted by: jyates
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: FleshLight
No, the world would be a better place without the wacko extremists.
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the world is DEFINITELY a better place because of fleshlight!

😀😀
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:thumbsup:😀

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: Gurck
it will be a while before it's bred out of our genetic
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religion is hard coded into or genetics? 😕
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Absolutely. Tendency to learn a language is as well.
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Some would say that it an inborn desire to know and fellowship with the creator, but of course
no one on ATOT would every believe that. 🙂
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Well, I'll meet you halfway on this one - science has shown this to be the case, and it works within the bounds of how we know genetics to work - but there's a lot we don't understand, and it may be how a God would implement faith, if one exists. I'm feeling tolerant tonight 😀
 
I think the poster was trying to make a valid point. Some aspects of human culture can been seen to do more wrong than right. While removing religion will not solve all of the problems our species is faced with, religion has been used as an excuse for some time.

Additionally, I would think tolerance to discuss such a point without personally attacking the poster, or any of the repliers, can be conducted, but those entering into such activities easily will prove the contrary to that point.

Communications is another problem we are all faced with as a whole. How many times someone misinterpreted what someone else said and wound up in a fight. But, if someone cannot form and opinion for general topic without an emmotional, and sometimes poorly communicated religios-intoned response then maybe its a waste for the poster than those repling in ill form.
 
Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
religion is humanity's best attempt at introducing morals into society.
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Generalized statement. I have morals, but no religion. Do I have no morals or just poor morals? If I do not have religion can I not have good morals, and are only people with religion capable of having good morals?

This is an example of how the reader can interpret your comment in many ways, and illustrates an area of our communication problem.
 
Originally posted by: Sasha
Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
religion is humanity's best attempt at introducing morals into society.
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Generalized statement. I have morals, but no religion. Do I have no morals or just poor morals? If I do not have religion can I not have good morals, and are only people with religion capable of having good morals?

This is an example of how the reader can interpret your comment in many ways, and illustrates an area of our communication problem.
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Religon is about control. 😉

And fear.

and guilt.


not morals.
:roll:
 
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