The Wii U is dead in its current form, admits Nintendo. But what now?

[zerocool84]

More powerful than a PS3. Power doesn't win console wars. PS1, PS2, Wii come to mind. Wii U has plenty of extremely gorgeous games by today's standards(several that run native 1080p). I maintain that Wii U's problem is a naming and marketing problem above all else.

You don't think that lack of third party support and not enough first party games isn't the main problem? Marketing is the least of their issues.

 

[Lil Frier]

Plastic is a byproduct of oil production so insignificant that it's ridiculous to assert that it is funding or promoting its extraction. Switching to something else would be a waste of resources and be LESS eco-friendly... unless you are flushing them down storm drains near the ocean. :roll eyes: Leaving refineries with an excess of the stuff only drops the price more until the market find another use for it.

I think he's saying that they're putting things in packages for no reason. He said the manual is in a plastic bag...why would they do that? I'm not an eco-friendly person myself, but I think his point is just that they're overboard with the packaging. They don't need an ALTERNATIVE to the plastic bags, the plastic bags are just too plentiful.

 

[Lil Frier]

More powerful than a PS3. Power doesn't win console wars. PS1, PS2, Wii come to mind. Wii U has plenty of extremely gorgeous games by today's standards(several that run native 1080p). I maintain that Wii U's problem is a naming and marketing problem above all else.

Ehh, I think it's more the lack of stuff for mainstream players to do. At the end of the day, regardless of how iterative and uninspired Call of Duty might be, it sells. Nintendo doesn't offer online play, or a shooter-friendly controller. They make good games, but their platform delivery (hardware and networking) is terrible, so the big-ticket games get ignored on those platforms. The majority of the market buys those third-party games, and since they aren't on the Wii U, the Wii U gets left behind.

I could find plenty of things to play from the Nintendo library. However, I consider the Wii U a waste of time for me because there is no Pokemon, no Fire Emblem, no online play, no sports games, and no "serious games," like Forza, Call of Duty, Halo, and no Borderlands. The games that interest me are basically just the platformers (as Nintendo's the only company who makes platformers I actually like), then maybe Mario Party and a couple of others.

The holes made by not going Nintendo are much smaller than the ones that'd come from going WITH Nintendo, so I don't buy their consoles. I don't care for playing several games at once, so having multiple consoles does me no good.

 

[sxr7171]

Plastic is a byproduct of oil production so insignificant that it's ridiculous to assert that it is funding or promoting its extraction. Switching to something else would be a waste of resources and be LESS eco-friendly... unless you are flushing them down storm drains near the ocean. :roll eyes: Leaving refineries with an excess of the stuff only drops the price more until the market find another use for it.

It's more of the disposal issue. This stuff may be cheap to make but it just fills up landfills and oceans.

Also from a convenience perspective it takes quite too long to remove every little thing from its individual plastic wrap. It's a pretty tedious set up.

 

[poofyhairguy]

You don't think that lack of third party support and not enough first party games isn't the main problem? Marketing is the least of their issues.

To be fair the Wii had poor third party support and won the last generation.

If Nintendo really cared to court that market then the console should have been called something else, as hardcore gamers spit on the ground with a double-u is followed by two i's.

I think the bigger issue is there isn't a killer app from Nintendo. No SM64, Wii Sports or even a SMB1. There is no game that really uses that tablet controller in a way where people have to have it.

 

[desura]

Ehh, I think it's more the lack of stuff for mainstream players to do. At the end of the day, regardless of how iterative and uninspired Call of Duty might be, it sells. Nintendo doesn't offer online play, or a shooter-friendly controller. They make good games, but their platform delivery (hardware and networking) is terrible, so the big-ticket games get ignored on those platforms. The majority of the market buys those third-party games, and since they aren't on the Wii U, the Wii U gets left behind.

I could find plenty of things to play from the Nintendo library. However, I consider the Wii U a waste of time for me because there is no Pokemon, no Fire Emblem, no online play, no sports games, and no "serious games," like Forza, Call of Duty, Halo, and no Borderlands. The games that interest me are basically just the platformers (as Nintendo's the only company who makes platformers I actually like), then maybe Mario Party and a couple of others.

The holes made by not going Nintendo are much smaller than the ones that'd come from going WITH Nintendo, so I don't buy their consoles. I don't care for playing several games at once, so having multiple consoles does me no good.

I'm pretty sure that the Wii U has Call of Duty in it.

After playing a bit of COD, I can't say I like it that much. The best part of it is the effectiveness of the graphics at actually conveying the feeling of combat. But the actual combat itself of most shooters is still pretty much hold button, watch animation of living being being desiccated until dead in a pool of blood.

Still, earlier I was critical of Nintendo for being slow with the major franchises, and the reason that it is important is b/c Nintendo more than anyone else relies like 90% on their first party titles.

 

[Lil Frier]

It's on there, but I honestly don't know if you can play online. I've tried to ask people how that goes in the past, but I got no reply, so I'm not sure that Ghosts isn't limited to campaign and local multiplayer on that platform. Plus, like I said, the Nintendo controllers are terrible for a shooter.

 

[zerocool84]

Reading some stuff, Ghosts on WiiU has graphical problems and lack of DLC of course because it's not a priority.

 

[Ichinisan]

It's on there, but I honestly don't know if you can play online. I've tried to ask people how that goes in the past, but I got no reply, so I'm not sure that Ghosts isn't limited to campaign and local multiplayer on that platform. Plus, like I said, the Nintendo controllers are terrible for a shooter.

Did you know that there's an official first-party Wii U Pro controller? It's very similar to an XBOX 360 controller. The main functional difference is the lack of procedural analog control in the trigger buttons (maybe the buttons are pressure-sensitive, I don't know). I'm guessing you're pretty-much expected to get that if you're going to play CoD seriously on Wii U...or other multi-platform third-party titles such as Assassin's Creed.

 

[exdeath]

Ehh, I think it's more the lack of stuff for mainstream players to do. At the end of the day, regardless of how iterative and uninspired Call of Duty might be, it sells. Nintendo doesn't offer online play, or a shooter-friendly controller.

That's what I enjoy most about my Wii U. It's a console, not another PC wannabe.

It reminds me how fun a stand alone offline local console was before all the shooter online competitive penis war crap started. God forbid I just load a game and play without needing to sign on first and see how many 733t killz everyone else got just 5 minutes ago.

 

[desura]

So does Deluxe matter at all? Occasionally I'll see brand new Wii U basic sets on ebay for like $200, the skylanders bundle.

 

[purbeast0]

That's what I enjoy most about my Wii U. It's a console, not another PC wannabe.

It reminds me how fun a stand alone offline local console was before all the shooter online competitive penis war crap started. God forbid I just load a game and play without needing to sign on first and see how many 733t killz everyone else got just 5 minutes ago.

i don't recall having to do any of that in god of war, uncharted, resistance, street fighter 4, ryse, knack, killer instinct, burnout, hot shots golf, ratchet and clank, tomb raider, the last of us, or pretty much any other game that i own.

 

[Aikouka]

Did you know that there's an official first-party Wii U Pro controller? It's very similar to an XBOX 360 controller. The main functional difference is the lack of procedural analog control in the trigger buttons (maybe the buttons are pressure-sensitive, I don't know). I'm guessing you're pretty-much expected to get that if you're going to play CoD seriously on Wii U...or other multi-platform third-party titles such as Assassin's Creed.

The Wii U Pro Controller also has the joysticks in a weird position as they're both at the top of the controller!

I own one, and I'm tempted to pick up one of these Nyko controllers because it's just too weird using the controller with the sticks in those spots. I can handle the Dual-shock way (both on bottom) or the 360 way (split), but not both on the top!

So does Deluxe matter at all? Occasionally I'll see brand new Wii U basic sets on ebay for like $200, the skylanders bundle.

The Deluxe is black and has 32GB of storage built-in.

 

[ViRGE]

The Deluxe is black and has 32GB of storage built-in.

It also comes with some better accessories. And if you buy it new you get the Digital Deluxe promotion, which gives you 10% credit for any eShop purchases.

 

[Ichinisan]

The Wii U Pro Controller also has the joysticks in a weird position as they're both at the top of the controller!

I own one, and I'm tempted to pick up one of these Nyko controllers because it's just too weird using the controller with the sticks in those spots. I can handle the Dual-shock way (both on bottom) or the 360 way (split), but not both on the top!



The Deluxe is black and has 32GB of storage built-in.

I think it would be trivially easy to get used to the thumbsticks in that position. I say this because I had no problem switching between Playstation / XBOX / Gamecube controllers. I don't recall any adjustment period.

 

[Lil Frier]

God forbid I just load a game and play without needing to sign on first and see how many 733t killz everyone else got just 5 minutes ago.

What does this even mean? I don't know of ANY game in which you have to sign in and check the kill counts of anything anywhere. Like, have you actually played a shooter on a console? Because I've played a lot of them, and none of them even give you a REASON to look at the kill counts of others, let alone require it.

 

[Ichinisan]

What does this even mean? I don't know of ANY game in which you have to sign in and check the kill counts of anything anywhere. Like, have you actually played a shooter on a console? Because I've played a lot of them, and none of them even give you a REASON to look at the kill counts of others, let alone require it.

Semantics. He's saying he didn't have to create an account and sign-in to play Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, Super Metroid, Donkey Kong Country, Chrono Trigger, etc...

You also didn't have to register a one-time-use DLC code to get half the game's levels and content. You also didn't spend $60 on the original version, only to have a "Game of the Year" edition with all DLC included for $30 a year after release.

 

[purbeast0]

Semantics. He's saying he didn't have to create an account and sign-in to play Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, Super Metroid, Donkey Kong Country, Chrono Trigger, etc...

You also didn't have to register a one-time-use DLC code to get half the game's levels and content. You also didn't spend $60 on the original version, only to have a "Game of the Year" edition with all DLC included for $30 a year after release.

you totally missed the point exdeath was making, which is the same exact point he tries to make in 99% of his posts - that the only games out now a days except niche rpg games like nina no crappi or whatever it is called is a dude-bro-shooter. basically he's delusional.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I think it can be overstated, but ever since the release of Halo 1 dude bro FPSes have grown in market share. Now their audience greatly overlap with the "hardcore gaming" segment that has driven sales since the Atari era.

Of course there is many more segments, but the truth can be said that everywhere in the console market (especially Nintendo) mostly sequels top the list. But there are a few original titles and they should be celebrated.

Honestly the new South Park game is a pretty good traditional JRPG...

 

[Dumac]

you totally missed the point exdeath was making, which is the same exact point he tries to make in 99% of his posts - that the only games out now a days except niche rpg games like nina no crappi or whatever it is called is a dude-bro-shooter. basically he's delusional.

Well there is a very real difference between the many shallow AAA western games and some more niche indie, European, or Japanese titles that take more chances.

 

[ViRGE]

Honestly the new South Park game is a pretty good traditional JRPG...

Now there's a game I'm surprised didn't get ported to the WiiU.

 

[Lil Frier]

So is anyone ever going to actually DEFINE this stupid "dude bro shooter" thing, or what? What separates a "dude bro shooter" from a non-"dude bro shooter?" All I seem to gather from the use of the term implies that it means an FPS that is popular and has a military aspect.

I find it incredibly ridiculous how folks want to talk down the FPS genre on consoles like it ruins things, when what it does (to an extent) is prop up publisher profits to allow the hidden gems to get made. In all honesty, the loss of Call of Duty, Battlefield, and Halo wouldn't fix the main problem I have with Nintendo, which is a total lack of online play.

 

[poofyhairguy]

So is anyone ever going to actually DEFINE this stupid "dude bro shooter" thing, or what? What separates a "dude bro shooter" from a non-"dude bro shooter?" All I seem to gather from the use of the term implies that it means an FPS that is popular and has a military aspect.

I didn't define the term, but I think the only aspect you are missing is "and the multiplayer aspect of the game is a bigger draw for the target audience than the single player part of the game."

I find it incredibly ridiculous how folks want to talk down the FPS genre on consoles like it ruins things, when what it does (to an extent) is prop up publisher profits that allows the hidden gems to get made. In all honesty, the loss of Call of Duty, Battlefield, and Halo wouldn't fix the main problem I have with Nintendo, which is a total lack of online play.

I don't personally have a problem with dude bro fpses. Lord knows I played enough of the original CS back in the day. I wouldn't touch a COD or a Halo with a ten foot pool, but in a way I am glad they bring that sort of experience to the console gamer.

What I take issue with is the concept that a console has to accommodate the dude bro gamer to be successful. The dude bro gamer props up third party publishers and MS (with their Halo series), but they are not the majority of the overall gaming market.

The last generation was won by a console with any dude bro games. At any one point there are more middle-aged women playing Facebook games or a Candy Crush than all the people on the XBL servers put together.

Dude bro props up mainstream console gaming, but it not the defining element of the industry despite what some people believe.

Personally a new Zelda would sell me a Wii U faster than any online multiplayer experience.

 

[CZroe]

I didn't define the term, but I think the only aspect you are missing is "and the multiplayer aspect of the game is a bigger draw for the target audience than the single player part of the game."

I dunno...
Quake III Arena and Unreal Tournament were definitely NOT "dudebro" and their single-player campaigns were just multiplayer with bots.

Dudebro is dumbed-down for the masses and not about individual skill. Any shooter where you hide to recover health and mouse + keyboard is gimped to be more like a gamepad is dudebro in my book. Dudebro includes the likes of Halo, CoD, Resistance, etc. That said, I loved the Modern Warfare campaign because it was so cinematic and hated the online gameplay because it is so dumbed down. It's no wonder Hans Zimmer scored the sequel that I never played.

 

[purbeast0]

"dude-bro" is just a popular multiplayer fps game that you play together with your dudebro buddies. people like to call them that simply because they are popular and nerds on the internet hate everything popular, especially the fact that it's more popular than their niche games that they want to enjoy.

which is ironic, because if more people enjoyed their niche games, then they would start to hate them for the simple fact they would become mainstream.

most of the people who use the term "dudebro" regularly are wearing blinders because they think that those are the only types of games out on consoles, when i reality, they make up a very small minority of the games out there.

cod and gears of war are 2 games out of hundreds.