The Wii U is dead in its current form, admits Nintendo. But what now?

[cmdrdredd]

Sure good for those people. They have no interest in PC gaming. For me I use my PC as a console. And I know with the PC based design of the consoles I won't be missing out on much. Pretty much every console game from a 3rd party is being released on PC. Watchdogs, Division etc. I can easily forgo the expense of one or two consoles to get my hands on one or two additional games.

But if I didn't have a gaming PC then either console is good but not the WiiU. Personally I'd get the cheaper one - the PS4.

You really believe that nonsense? Look at my sig line and tell me again people with a PS4 and XB1 don't care about PC gaming.

Tell me where you can play Metal Gear solid? That's 3rd party and not on PC. What about Destiny? Not on PC and that's from Activision and Bungie. Kingdom Hearts 3, Murdered: Soul Suspect. You can count out almost all the JRPGs that will be coming too, including one that is going to be XB1 exclusive from the team that did Lost Osyssey. There's always going to be games that aren't released on PC which is why people with a PC still buy the consoles.

 

[sxr7171]

You really believe that nonsense? Look at my sig line and tell me again people with a PS4 and XB1 don't care about PC gaming.

Tell me where you can play Metal Gear solid? That's 3rd party and not on PC. What about Destiny? Not on PC and that's from Activision and Bungie. Kingdom Hearts 3, Murdered: Soul Suspect. You can count out almost all the JRPGs that will be coming too, including one that is going to be XB1 exclusive from the team that did Lost Osyssey. There's always going to be games that aren't released on PC which is why people with a PC still buy the consoles.

If something comes out I'll get a console. Until then I'm happy. Didn't care for MGS myself - that thing is like 5 minutes of gameplay and 30 minute cut scene rinse and repeat - was like watching a prerendered low budget movie.

The thing is I don't personally have time for RPGs, many others do and I guess they will buy a PS4. Halo fans are already buying an Xbox One for that game alone and more power to them.

Getting back to the point if Nintendo at least had some good games out then people would buy one of the main systems and a WiiU.

I used to be a guy that had a Gaming PC and all 3 consoles. That's not me anymore.

BTW, Murdered Soul Suspect is getting a PC release.

I mean if you're really that hardcore about playing every game then you need all 3 consoles and a PC. Not everyone really cares that much.

For me any console and/or PC + WiiU takes care of what I want. If I miss a game here and there I don't care. Not planning on spending $900 on the 2 consoles which play games and have ridiculously stupid media functionality even compared to a Roku or Apple TV. Using either Xbox video or PSN video is like hitting your head on a rock.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Murdered Soul Suspect must be a digital only release for PC cause I didn't see it listed until I searched steam. Being from Squeenix it doesn't surprise me that it is, Thief was the same way.


Anyhow, with the games people will buy consoles. The WiiU doesn't have the right games.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Nope...as far as consoles go they are top of the line. PC doesn't matter. They are not meant to be compared. You compare your Gaming PC to IBM's Supercomputers do you? That 4770k sure is outdated.

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Your comparison is way out in left field. There seem to be many delusional people who are stuck with an old mindset that think that everyone who thinks this way has supercomputers. I have a mid range PC and it has outclassed both consoles even if they'd came out 2 years ago. However, my point wasn't to belittle the X1 or the PS4, it was to point out that his thing about the Wii-U being outdated when it was released really was not alone in that aspect.

Consoles used to be on par (or better than) most mid-top range PC's on release. Even the 360/PS3 era was that way more or less, they just took forever to be able to program them worth a damn. Sure they are better than last gen, but that isn't saying much. These days with many(if not most) PC gamers running 2500k's (which are dirt cheap performance) and mid range cards, they trumped these systems badly. That isn't to say more performance can't be milked out of the consoles, but they certainly started with a foot behind, rather than ahead per earlier generations and since gaming these days is driven by console gaming, it impacts everyone eventually - especially when these last another 7-10 years. Consoles and people who game on PC will compare, there is no reason they wouldn't. It's all about value. When a console (and hell..1 game) costs almost if not as much as a PC that can play the same games (often cheaper) they are comparable. PC's do NOT cost what they used to and you don't need a $500 video card to play those games in all their glory. That is a 2005 era mindset.

That being said, this has nothing to do with PC elitism, it's just the reality of the situation.

Nintendo's marketing strategy and lack of games killed the Wii-U, not it's hardware...although I will say the tablet controller kind of killed it for me. If the X1 and PS4 go 2 years w/o a good amount of top games, they would suffer the same as Nintendo more than likely. Sales have already slowed down on both of the consoles.

 

[sxr7171]

Your comparison is way out in left field. There seem to be many delusional people who are stuck with an old mindset that think that everyone who thinks this way has supercomputers. I have a mid range PC and it has outclassed both consoles even if they'd came out 2 years ago. However, my point wasn't to belittle the X1 or the PS4, it was to point out that his thing about the Wii-U being outdated when it was released really was not alone in that aspect.

Consoles used to be on par (or better than) most mid-top range PC's on release. Even the 360/PS3 era was that way more or less, they just took forever to be able to program them worth a damn. Sure they are better than last gen, but that isn't saying much. These days with many(if not most) PC gamers running 2500k's (which are dirt cheap performance) and mid range cards, they trumped these systems badly. That isn't to say more performance can't be milked out of the consoles, but they certainly started with a foot behind, rather than ahead per earlier generations and since gaming these days is driven by console gaming, it impacts everyone eventually - especially when these last another 7-10 years. Consoles and people who game on PC will compare, there is no reason they wouldn't. It's all about value. When a console (and hell..1 game) costs almost if not as much as a PC that can play the same games (often cheaper) they are comparable. PC's do NOT cost what they used to and you don't need a $500 video card to play those games in all their glory. That is a 2005 era mindset.

That being said, this has nothing to do with PC elitism, it's just the reality of the situation.

Nintendo's marketing strategy and lack of games killed the Wii-U, not it's hardware...although I will say the tablet controller kind of killed it for me. If the X1 and PS4 go 2 years w/o a good amount of top games, they would suffer the same as Nintendo more than likely. Sales have already slowed down on both of the consoles.

That used to be true. When a "next gen" console came out it had some game or another that outclassed PC games. That is far from true today.

It's obvious that both MS and Sony learned a lesson from last gen. MS pushed so hard they couldn't even make the reliable. I mean 300-350w of power sucked up by a box of that size was crazy. No wonder things warped inside. Sony wanted their $600 machine to last a decade. The need to make money on the generation made them both delay their successor machines. So now we have these machines that are relatively weak and cheap. The good news should be that they will have a short life. So in 5 years hopefully the next gen will come out and support 4k which will become common in 5 years.

Also 2-3 generations ago the list of exclusive titles was pretty long. Now there may be one or two exclusive franchises. Today it hardly matters which console you buy between the PS4 and the Xbox one or for that matter even a PC. Developers just want to sell as many as possible on any system. Third parties are about as platform agnostic as they can be.

As for the WiiU it may be underpowered but I don't care. I want those (not existing yet) games. But their pricing is out of the ball park. A better strategy would have been a $200 system and a couple of nice $50 exclusive games. Even right now it's not too late to sell the system without the tablet for $199. Some people care for the tablet, sell it to them for $129. And keep the bundle for $299. If indeed the tablet becomes that compelling then they would make an extra $30. But I think we all know that the tablet is a dead end device. If they actually had a plan for it and a modicum of confidence in what it would do then they would sell it separately. But they know they have to push that thing through bundling it.

A thing on which the R&D money has been spent and warehouses are full of. It's still not too late to salvage the console and their reputation. But also I can't understand how cocky they are to not work on any games for it. No announcements, no marketing, no information. It's a Wii that's clocked higher basically. No major architectural changes. They could have been working on games for it for the past 4 years. Then of course release a rehash of the game into the console's cycle.

Nintendo has become a disappointment.

 

[Eug]

I was going to buy a Nintendo machine this time around, but the Wii U just seems stupid to me. The thing is way too expensive and I have no interest in the tablet.

When it came out I didn't even know that it was meant to be THE new Nintendo console. I thought it was supposed to be some interim upgrade to the Wii, playing all old Wii games but adding an extra feature. No, I don't follow console gaming, but clearly somebody in the marketing department has failed.

Now I'm not sure exactly what to do. I want to play some of the old Nintendo exclusive games, but I have no desire to buy a Wii U. Either I will buy nothing, or else maybe I'll pick up a used Wii if I can find one cheap with a bunch of Mario games.

P.S. The iPhone's Siri voice recognition will transcribe "Wii U" as "Wii you" so it seems that Siri knows Wii but the Wii U marketing has failed to reach Siri as well.

 

[spaceman]

to me the wiiu is prolly the 1st of the next gens ill be buying
i have no use for a low rent pc behind a paywall

 

[cmdrdredd]

to me the wiiu is prolly the 1st of the next gens ill be buying
i have no use for a low rent pc behind a paywall

Why am I not surprised that people who never post here in this forum say things as stupid as this?

 

[desura]

So what gets me is that the gamepad controller has a really weird screen size: 6.2"

I bet that this non-standard size is why the price is so high for what you get. I mean, you could buy a full-fledged android phone for the price of a gamepad controller.

N should simply shrink the controller to a common commodity screen size, like 4.7"

 

[Eug]

Re: The behind a paywall comment:

Well I must admit... One of the things I hate the most about my Xbox 360 is that I can't even use Netflix on it without a Live Gold subscription, despite the fact I already pay for Netflix.

 

[sxr7171]

Re: The behind a paywall comment:

Well I must admit... One of the things I hate the most about my Xbox 360 is that I can't even use Netflix on it without a Live Gold subscription, despite the fact I already pay for Netflix.

It's true. Add $250 over 5 years to the cost of the console. Then again this is why a roku or Apple TV or even chromecast are better for media. That and the UI is better for that purpose IMHO.

 

[preslove]

The tablet was a horrible idea. They should have released the wii uat $200 with a remote, nunchuck, and normal style controller. Given how these sell out whenever they go on sale, the Wii U would have sold gangbusters at that lower price point, and they could have made a slight profit if they didn't include that idiotic tablet.

 

[desura]

I think it's a good idea, but was implemented too expensively.

Things like having it mirror gameplay from the wii u is probably why it is so expensive to start with...they should have made it simpler and sold it for like $70. And/or allow a 3ds to be used in that capacity. It would have been awesome for sports games or card games where you don't want the other guy to see what is in your hand.

 

[paraskhosla]

They should support it.It would be unfair to people people who bought it early

 

[drbrock]

I love the gamepad but if no one is using it get rid of it. I have not found it very useful for most games outside of Windwaker. I do use it a lot for remote play though.

I still rather have a Wii U over a ps4 or Xbone at this current point. Prices have been dropping on the next gen consoles because not enough people care about them YET. PS4 can be had for around 325-350 on slickdeals sometimes and Xbox has come down to 400(everyday price) already if you value the free game at 50 bucks.

PC is my serious game console. Only because the exclusives on Xbox/Playstation are not good enough to spend a ton of money on. IF PC lost the ability to use console controllers for games then I would 100% bail and get a PS4.

 

[Aikouka]

I love the gamepad but if no one is using it get rid of it. I have not found it very useful for most games outside of Windwaker. I do use it a lot for remote play though.

Remote play on the Wii U just doesn't work all that well in my experience. If I walk into my kitchen, which is adjacent to the living room where my Wii U is, it starts complaining about a poor connection. I do lose line of sight of the Wii U, but the opening from the kitchen to the living room is fairly open.

So, that rather pricey aspect is fairly useless for me. I prefer using the pro controller if the game will let me.

 

[Dumac]

The Wii U is dead in its current form, admits Nintendo

When? Can I get a quote on that? That headline is pretty dubious.

That said, Wii U is selling like crap. I don't really care, as I honestly find it to be the most appealing of the 3 consoles in their current state. But I also have a gaming PC in my living room, so I'm a minority.

As long as Nintendo keeps making games this gen for the Wii U, I'm happy. Hopefully they figure out how to turn a profit with it.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Why doesn't nintendo hire more devs and focus on pushing out more of their titles? More Metroids, Zeldas and new franchises of the same quality. The DS and Wii printed money, where did it all go? It could have been used to build additional talented dev teams.

 

[HeXen]

Why doesn't nintendo hire more devs and focus on pushing out more of their titles? More Metroids, Zeldas and new franchises of the same quality. The DS and Wii printed money, where did it all go? It could have been used to build additional talented dev teams.

Agree but maybe they are in the works and are not ready to tell us yet?
I'm certain Nintendo is aware that their library for both DS and Wii is lacking. They weren't that stupid before so they can't be that stupid now. Maybe the new Metroids..etc is just taking them a while. The new Zelda for DS hasn't been out that long and it was awesome game, so might be awhile before another comes out for that system at least. WiiU Zelda is probably getting the perfectionism routine.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Why doesn't nintendo hire more devs and focus on pushing out more of their titles? More Metroids, Zeldas and new franchises of the same quality. The DS and Wii printed money, where did it all go? It could have been used to build additional talented dev teams.

Nintendo has always held a pretty closed development environment. They never been very welcoming of outside groups. Then you have them basically admitting they had no idea how to develop games in HD and didn't know they might need more people on the team. I think at one point they had a team of 10 for a project and realized it was too much for them to handle.

 

[desura]

I wonder what the response to a Nintendo PSP would be.

That's sorta what the gamepad is...

Lots of people would be happier with it if it were like a PSP...instead of being dependent on the console to function.

Heck, they could raise the price to $200, even $300, and that would make them money IMO.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I wonder what the response to a Nintendo PSP would be.

That's sorta what the gamepad is...

Lots of people would be happier with it if it were like a PSP...instead of being dependent on the console to function.

Heck, they could raise the price to $200, even $300, and that would make them money IMO.

Would eat into the DS sales no?

 

[desura]

Would eat into the DS sales no?

Or a DS that could do what the Wii U gamepad does.

That would actually be pretty awesome. Really awesome.

And they could charge a premium.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Or a DS that could do what the Wii U gamepad does.

That would actually be pretty awesome. Really awesome.

And they could charge a premium.

Like what, you mean link to the WiiU? It would be exactly like the Vita then.

 

[Fox5]

Remote play on the Wii U just doesn't work all that well in my experience. If I walk into my kitchen, which is adjacent to the living room where my Wii U is, it starts complaining about a poor connection. I do lose line of sight of the Wii U, but the opening from the kitchen to the living room is fairly open.

So, that rather pricey aspect is fairly useless for me. I prefer using the pro controller if the game will let me.

It's kind of funny, both the Shield and the PS Vita get this functionality right.