The White House virtualy all white summer intern class

[agent00f]

Atreus21 channeling his inner buckshot at stringing liberals along.

 

[fskimospy]

I would think otherwise by the fact that we can't, or are not supposed to, draw sweeping conclusions like this based on skin color alone. That's prejudice.

How is it prejudice? That makes zero sense. I drew the obvious conclusion that if almost every single intern the Republicans hired is white that they have a big problem with minority communities. That conclusion is basically inescapable. Either almost none applied or almost none were selected. Either way that's bad.

Are you seriously attempting to argue that if someone points out this fact that THEY are the prejudiced ones, not the people who aren't hiring any nonwhite interns? If so that's some amazing gaslighting, hahaha.

The fact that you're talking about a particular skin color as if too much of it represents a huge problem, then accusing Republicans of racism.

I didn't accuse anyone of racism. Again, where is the irony here? I stated a fact, what's your problem with it?

How do you know not a single one applied? Evidently by the photograph at least a few did. And secondly, it's only a problem if you think that you can judge outcomes as good or bad based on the racial diversity of the outcome.

Oh god, that was hyperbole. Yes, if almost no nonwhite people want to work for you that is probably indicative of a problem. You know this as well as I do. Are you seriously attempting to argue otherwise? Really?

 

[Atreus21]

How is it prejudice? That makes zero sense. I drew the obvious conclusion that if almost every single intern the Republicans hired is white that they have a big problem with minority communities. That conclusion is basically inescapable. Either almost none applied or almost none were selected. Either way that's bad.

What do you mean by bad, here? Do you mean it's bad for their political prospects? Or bad as in immoral and wrong?

 

[Sunburn74]

What do you mean by bad, here? Do you mean it's bad for their political prospects? Or bad as in immoral and wrong?

Both.
The easy one to explain is this: if they consciously or subconsciously are rejecting qualified minority applicants on the basis of race, that is clearly bad. I don't think I should have to explain why that is bad.

If they are completely unable to attract minority candidates, this also is a major problem. In general, there is a current broad movement in leadership training to try and incorporate more minority and female candidates into leadership in many fields (both academic and business). The reason for this is to diversify the idea vetting process being championed by leadership. Without a diverse leadership, ideas from the top end up being sort of homogenous as that group may simply end up being an echo chamber. Even worse, bad mistakes don't get caught (ie refer to the sexual harrassment crisis uber faced a few months ago and just now they are rectifying by appointing more women to the board of directors , or the nivea commercial from a few weeks that caught a lot of flak, or the huge blowback to the NFLs initially anemic response to disgusting cases of domestic abuse [ie ray rice] and etc). The fact of the matter is if you're running an organization and you are unable to recruit the best talent regardless of race and are recruiting a fairly homogenenous talent base particularly into leadership, you run the risk of missing out on truly great ideas as well as making gross missteps. A blind man cannot lead another blind man. Another way to think about it is that 40% of the US Fortune 500 companies were founded by people or children of people who did not come from this country (meaning they saw a niche that people here couldn't recognize was here all along and filled it). Think about the first person who suggested to nike to get into women's bras, or to consider monetizing American rap culture to sell shoes, and so on and so on. If your board room is all white men, these ideas may be passed up or not even conceived, but if you have diversity at the top, then these ideas are picked up and end up being huge success stories for your company. Thats not even probing the fact that this is a sign that the GOP is more or less ignoring massive demographic trends and are seeing Trumps win in the wrong way (as a sign of future growth, rather than the reality as a one off sort of event)

 

[Atreus21]

Both.

So the fact that ethnic minorities tend to support democrats and not republicans reflects republican immorality. Is that correct?

 

[HomerJS]

What do you mean by bad, here? Do you mean it's bad for their political prospects? Or bad as in immoral and wrong?

I guess from your point of view Republicans maintaining their purity wouldn't make it bad.

I'm saying excluding minorities from one of the most prestigious internships in the country is bad.

I'm saying Republicans making no extra effort to include minorities is bad.

I'm saying minorities were turned off so much by Republicans they didn't apply is bad.

From purely a non partisan statistical point of view at least 2 of my premises must be true. All of my premises being false is virtually impossible.

 

[Sunburn74]

So the fact that ethnic minorities tend to support democrats and not republicans reflects republican immorality. Is that correct?

It suggests a messaging problem and suggests that they are missing out on a large potential talent base (I'm assuming the GOP wants minority candidates but for various reasons can't get them; though honestly I'm not actually convinced fully that is the case). It's the same issue with all these countries that prevent women from getting an education. Maybe as a country you're doing ok with that strategy, but you're still missing out on a huge talent base and a lot of these women leave those countries and go to other places and hit it big.

I've never thought the GOP immoral. They just have philosophical differences than democrats regarding the role of government differences which I personally believe come from pretty flawed and antiquated logic.

 

[Atreus21]

I guess from your point of view Republicans maintaining their purity wouldn't make it bad.

I'm saying excluding minorities from one of the most prestigious internships in the country is bad.

If done deliberately, absolutely. If done for no other reason than they chose the best qualified among what they had in their applicant pool, then there is no wrongdoing at all.

I'm saying Republicans making no extra effort to include minorities is bad.

To go out of one's way to include or exclude people based exclusively on their skin color is straightforwardly racist.

 

[HomerJS]

So the fact that ethnic minorities tend to support democrats and not republicans reflects republican immorality. Is that correct?

Its the job of Republicans to foster a comfortable environment and support policies that will attract minorities, not the other way around.

Did you know when Eisenhower ran he got 40% of the black vote in 1956
Nixon got 32% of the black vote in 1960.

Republicans would kill for those numbers now. When was the drastic swap to almost all Dems? Civil and voting rights in 64/65.
Republicans have been hostile to civil and voting rights since.

 

[fskimospy]

So the fact that ethnic minorities tend to support democrats and not republicans reflects republican immorality. Is that correct?

It suggests that Republican Party priorities align with those of one specific race and no others. I would say to most reasonable people that would be indicative of a likely problem, unless you think there aren't any racial issues in the US anymore or something.

 

[fskimospy]

If done deliberately, absolutely. If done for no other reason than they chose the best qualified among what they had in their applicant pool, then there is no wrongdoing at all.

So to be clear you think the reason why Republican interns turned out to be 99% white is that all the white applicants just happened to be the best ones? Or are you admitting that it's likely the case that almost no minorities applied to be Republican interns?

If it's the second case, do you find it troubling that no one from any ethnic group other than the dominant one wants to be part of the Republican Party? If not, why?

 

[HomerJS]

If done deliberately, absolutely. If done for no other reason than they chose the best qualified among what they had in their applicant pool, then there is no wrongdoing at all.



To go out of one's way to include or exclude people based exclusively on their skin color is straightforwardly racist.

Going out of your way for form a group of more then just white people is inclusive not racist. In case you didn't realize its the real America. Maybe in your mind America is white only because that is where the Republican Party is now.

 

[Atreus21]

Its the job of Republicans to foster a comfortable environment and support policies that will attract minorities, not the other way around.

The job of republicans, and any decent political party, ought to be to convince as many people of its platform as it can without keeping an eye on peoples' skin color.

 

[Sunburn74]

If done deliberately, absolutely. If done for no other reason than they chose the best qualified among what they had in their applicant pool, then there is no wrongdoing at all.

To go out of one's way to include or exclude people based exclusively on their skin color is straightforwardly racist.

Sure but it's hard to believe the best qualified are all white. In fact I would say far far from it, knowing personally the people who are graduating from Harvard Law school and similar institutions yearly. Heck just think about the president before trump and which side he landed on. Can you imagine where the GOP would be today if they were able to recruit Barack or Michelle Obama as a moderate, centrist republican senator? If for some reason as an organization you are not able to get the absolute best talent, it is a problem and one you should constantly be trying to rectify. Human talent is the most valuable commodity most companies have.

 

[fskimospy]

I have to say Atreus, A+ gaslighting in this thread. You're really going above and beyond to try and convince people that the real racists aren't the people hiring almost exclusively white interns but instead those pointing it out.

 

[Atreus21]

It suggests that Republican Party priorities align with those of one specific race and no others. I would say to most reasonable people that would be indicative of a likely problem, unless you think there aren't any racial issues in the US anymore or something.

So if the internship membership during Obama's tenure had been overwhelmingly black, you'd have seen the same problem?

 

[HomerJS]

If done deliberately, absolutely. If done for no other reason than they chose the best qualified among what they had in their applicant pool, then there is no wrongdoing at all.



To go out of one's way to include or exclude people based exclusively on their skin color is straightforwardly racist.

Remember the picture Republicans put out of people crafting their version of healthcare reform. It was all white men. I would think inviting a woman in the group would be a good idea and bring a divergent perspective.

You logic would say if they removed one of the white men and replaced him with a woman that's sexist.

 

[fskimospy]

So if the internship membership during Obama's tenure had been overwhelmingly black, you'd have seen the same problem?

Yes, that would have been pretty weird.

 

[Atreus21]

I have to say Atreus, A+ gaslighting in this thread. You're really going above and beyond to try and convince people that the real racists aren't the people hiring almost exclusively white interns but instead those pointing it out.

Eh, call it what you want. When you start getting judgmental and thinking you can draw conclusions based on the fact of peoples' skin color, that's being prejudiced. Pretty much by definition.

And I've said this before. When it comes to racism and prejudice, progressives tend to be just fine with it provided the right people are targeted.

 

[HomerJS]

So if the internship membership during Obama's tenure had been overwhelmingly black, you'd have seen the same problem?

If Dems had 200 interns and only 1 white person, yes
If Dems had 200 interns and only 1 female, yes

 

[HomerJS]

Eh, call it what you want. When you start getting judgmental and thinking you can draw conclusions based on the fact of peoples' skin color, that's being prejudiced. Pretty much by definition.

And I've said this before. When it comes to racism and prejudice, progressives tend to be just fine with it provided the right people are targeted.

See my other answer. You've got your head buried in the sand or stuck in the 40s.

I challenge you go and look up in the career of Colin Powell how he got his promotion to General. Leave out the Iraq War snark for now because he had a largely well respected career.

 

[fskimospy]

Eh, call it what you want. When you start getting judgmental and thinking you can draw conclusions based on the fact of peoples' skin color, that's being prejudiced. Pretty much by definition.

That's not any definition of prejudice that I've ever heard. Where are you getting this definition from? The definition of prejudice is assuming characteristics of people based on their inherent characteristics. Noting that Republicans are hiring disproportionately white intern groups has literally zero to do with prejudice, outside of the fact that it could be indicative of theirs or that their policies and culture are repellent to minorities.

And I've said this before. When it comes to racism and prejudice, progressives tend to be just fine with it provided the right people are targeted.

Of course they aren't, don't be silly.

 

[HomerJS]

Eh, call it what you want. When you start getting judgmental and thinking you can draw conclusions based on the fact of peoples' skin color, that's being prejudiced. Pretty much by definition.

And I've said this before. When it comes to racism and prejudice, progressives tend to be just fine with it provided the right people are targeted.

The fact that you think only white people deserve this prestigious gig and the GOP is making their only effort to maintain their whiteness puts your character on display. You must really long for the days of the "whites only" signs.

 

[HomerJS]

That's not any definition of prejudice that I've ever heard. Where are you getting this definition from? The definition of prejudice is assuming characteristics of people based on their inherent characteristics. Noting that Republicans are hiring disproportionately white intern groups has literally zero to do with prejudice, outside of the fact that it could be indicative of theirs or that their policies and culture are repellent to minorities.



Of course they aren't, don't be silly.

I think the gaslighting theory is here. Very few people are that dense or stubborn unless he's maintaining his position because excluding minorities is a good thing in his eyes.

 

[fskimospy]

I think the gaslighting theory is here. Very few people are that dense or stubborn unless he's maintaining his position because excluding minorities is a good thing in his eyes.

I don't think he believes excluding minorities is good at all, he's a good guy in my opinion.

I think he is uncomfortable with the fact that the Republican Party is rapidly becoming the white person Party and is looking for ways to think that's not true.