The White Elephant in the Republican Headquarter

[Dari]

We all know John McCain and barack Obama support some type of amnesty for illegals. However, even though we will expect an ideological fight if Obama was to ever think of proposing such a bill (and one he would most likely lose because it would be absolutely unacceptable to most Americans), what would happen if McCain was to propose such a bill? I think that business Republicans will rally around his plan and get Democrats on board. Conservative Republicans will be left emasculated and speechless. One reason why is because they should've seen it coming based on McCain's history. There will be nothing they can do.

But, of course, the stereotypical fears that are being thrown at Obama now will suffice to make them forget this glaring fact.

 

[nageov3t]

what would happen if McCain was to propose such a bill

he did.

it almost cost him the nomination and he's since backed off from a lot of it, though he was never as hard on it as his republican competitors.

you might also be using the term white elephant incorrectly, unless I'm misunderstanding the entire op.

 

[jonks]

did ya mean pink elephant?

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how hispanics come out on Obama v McCain, whether the dem loyalty will trump the racial tension

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: loki8481

what would happen if McCain was to propose such a bill

he did.

it almost cost him the nomination and he's since backed off from a lot of it, though he was never as hard on it as his republican competitors.

you might also be using the term white elephant incorrectly, unless I'm misunderstanding the entire op.

And what makes you think he wont do it again? This guy is fucking stubborn and he may push it again to modernize our immigration laws.

BTW, a white elephant is something that is on everybody's mind but no one wants to talk about it. Immigration and John McCain's race for the white house is the white elephant for Republicans. They know they don't like it but don't want to talk about it because the guy that's pushing it is their man.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Dari
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..what would happen if McCain was to propose such a bill?

More outrage.

Look how many state/local governments are moving forward with attempts to limit ilegal immigration.

He'd be crazy to do it. I think pretty much everything will fail unless and until border control is established. McCain says so himself.

Fern

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Dari
-snip-
..what would happen if McCain was to propose such a bill?

More outrage.

Look how many state/local governments are moving forward with attempts to limit ilegal immigration.

He'd be crazy to do it. I think pretty much everything will fail unless and until border control is established. McCain says so himself.

Fern

I agree. And based on local sentiment here (in AZ) about his handling of the border so far, any words he speaks about tightening the border are pure bullshit.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Dari
-snip-
..what would happen if McCain was to propose such a bill?

More outrage.

Look how many state/local governments are moving forward with attempts to limit ilegal immigration.

He'd be crazy to do it. I think pretty much everything will fail unless and until border control is established. McCain says so himself.

Fern

Well, aren't they "fixing" the border right now with all that high-tech gadgetry that doesn't work? IMHO, it would be easier to just build a wall 30' high and 30' into the ground. Anyway, what's to stop him from declaring victory and proposing a law? I'm sure business republicans will rally around him and democrats will support him. that may be enough to pass his immigration bill. We all know john mccain doesn't care what americans think.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: Dari


BTW, a white elephant is something that is on everybody's mind but no one wants to talk about it.

Nay.

1. a possession unwanted by the owner but difficult to dispose of: Our Victorian bric-a-brac and furniture were white elephants.
2. a possession entailing great expense out of proportion to its usefulness or value to the owner: When he bought the mansion he didn't know it was going to be such a white elephant.
3. an abnormally whitish or pale elephant, usually found in Thailand; an albino elephant.




Perhaps you were thinking of the phrase "500 lb. gorilla in the room?"
That's the one "no one wants to talk about."

 

[nageov3t]

it's not possible to round up and deport every single illegal immigrant in the US... it's equally improbable that congress will ever pass a comprehensive amnesty bill.

no matter who gets elected, their choice is either going to be work out a compromise or continue ignoring the issue like we've done since Reagan.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: loki8481
it's not possible to round up and deport every single illegal immigrant in the US... it's equally improbable that congress will ever pass a comprehensive amnesty bill.

no matter who gets elected, their choice is either going to be work out a compromise or continue ignoring the issue like we've done since Reagan.

I don't agree.

I don't know why this issue is so difficult, although that's probably indicative of my ignorance of the intricacies of immigration law.

Someone enlighten me. What's wrong with, "You can come in illegally, but if we catch you, you're either being deported or imprisoned."?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: Dari


BTW, a white elephant is something that is on everybody's mind but no one wants to talk about it.

Nay.

1. a possession unwanted by the owner but difficult to dispose of: Our Victorian bric-a-brac and furniture were white elephants.
2. a possession entailing great expense out of proportion to its usefulness or value to the owner: When he bought the mansion he didn't know it was going to be such a white elephant.
3. an abnormally whitish or pale elephant, usually found in Thailand; an albino elephant.




Perhaps you were thinking of the phrase "500 lb. gorilla in the room?"
That's the one "no one wants to talk about."

I think it's 800 lb gorilla. http://www.englishforums.com/E...TheRoom/bxjwm/post.htm

 

[sandorski]

Amnesty is the only solution for those already in the country. Just stop the inflow first, then grant the amnesty.

 

[rpanic]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Amnesty is the only solution for those already in the country. Just stop the inflow first, then grant the amnesty.

Tried it once and it failed, all it does is make things worse and more people come expecting the next amnesty. Things will not change for some reason doing a second time.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: rpanic

Originally posted by: sandorski
Amnesty is the only solution for those already in the country. Just stop the inflow first, then grant the amnesty.

Tried it once and it failed, all it does is make things worse and more people come expecting the next amnesty. Things will not change for some reason doing a second time.

The stopping of the inflow wasn't done the first time. There's no way to remove millions of people without causing havoc to the domestic Peace and Economy.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: loki8481
it's not possible to round up and deport every single illegal immigrant in the US... it's
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Amnesty is the only solution for those already in the country. Just stop the inflow first, then grant the amnesty.

Rounding and deporting illegals is a strawman argument IMO. Nobodies sugesting that.

Nor is amnesty the only solution.

These were motivated to get themselves here. Likewise, they can be motivated to get themselves back home. Just roll-up the *Welcome Mat* and see how long it takes. Some may stay, most will leave.

No jobs - and we have the means to do that. The IRS offers free SSN screening. Employers can do it one-at-a-time, or send in batch payroll-type database info. The turn around time is like 24 hrs for even huge files. Give employers the means, and some legal reform where they aren't unfairly sued for trying to comply, then slap fines on those who employ illegals.

Government services - too easy now to get free medical (Medicaid), welfare & WIC (free food) etc, and schooling. Just prohibit illegal aliens from recieving these and they'll leave.

We do need some guest worker programs for the agri businesses. It's temp labor for certain crops where mechanization doesn't work (picking/paking the more delicate produce & fruits).


Self motivation for self-deportation is the key. It's already been shown to work in many communities. E.g., where the local police have entered into the ICE program and work to deport illegals arrested they leave of their own accord.

Fern

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: Dari


BTW, a white elephant is something that is on everybody's mind but no one wants to talk about it.

Nay.

1. a possession unwanted by the owner but difficult to dispose of: Our Victorian bric-a-brac and furniture were white elephants.
2. a possession entailing great expense out of proportion to its usefulness or value to the owner: When he bought the mansion he didn't know it was going to be such a white elephant.
3. an abnormally whitish or pale elephant, usually found in Thailand; an albino elephant.




Perhaps you were thinking of the phrase "500 lb. gorilla in the room?"
That's the one "no one wants to talk about."

I think it's 800 lb gorilla. http://www.englishforums.com/E...TheRoom/bxjwm/post.htm

It's just the 'elephant in the room' or 'pink elephant', as if a regular elephant would somehow go unnoticed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room

 

[Perknose]

Hey OP, you've got your metaphors confused in your title. Scratch the "white".

 

[Stoneburner]

I hope if McCain gets elected he shows the person some of us admired in 2000. Reviving his sensible legislation on the messicans would be an excellent start.

 

[rpanic]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: rpanic

Originally posted by: sandorski
Amnesty is the only solution for those already in the country. Just stop the inflow first, then grant the amnesty.

Tried it once and it failed, all it does is make things worse and more people come expecting the next amnesty. Things will not change for some reason doing a second time.

The stopping of the inflow wasn't done the first time. There's no way to remove millions of people without causing havoc to the domestic Peace and Economy.

Send a third stage Republicrat to DC to demand details from the Emperor. The Mexicans must flow...

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
It's just the 'elephant in the room' or 'pink elephant', as if a regular elephant would somehow go unnoticed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room

Ahhh, didn't see the previous comments. Actually, it's just "elephant in the room", but not "pink elephant". There is no "pink elephant", just "seeing pink elephants", meaning either drunk or fantasizing.

Your "800 lb. gorilla" just means the dominant force. It does not have the "elephant in the room" meaning of something no one wants to acknowledge.

If you see "800 lb. gorilla in the room", either shoot that person for corrupting the English language with a stupid conflation of two other metaphors, or congratulate them for being some sort of leet linguistic pioneer. 😉

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: Fern
Rounding and deporting illegals is a strawman argument IMO. Nobodies sugesting that.

Nor is amnesty the only solution.

These were motivated to get themselves here. Likewise, they can be motivated to get themselves back home. Just roll-up the *Welcome Mat* and see how long it takes. Some may stay, most will leave.

No jobs - and we have the means to do that. The IRS offers free SSN screening. Employers can do it one-at-a-time, or send in batch payroll-type database info. The turn around time is like 24 hrs for even huge files. Give employers the means, and some legal reform where they aren't unfairly sued for trying to comply, then slap fines on those who employ illegals.

Government services - too easy now to get free medical (Medicaid), welfare & WIC (free food) etc, and schooling. Just prohibit illegal aliens from recieving these and they'll leave.

We do need some guest worker programs for the agri businesses. It's temp labor for certain crops where mechanization doesn't work (picking/paking the more delicate produce & fruits).
Fern

+1

Cracking down hard on the companies and industries that hire them is certainly key. No jobs and they eventually will self-deport. And for the record, I'll be voting for McCain but I'm scared to death of his past open-borders/amnesty immigration positions.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: brencat

Originally posted by: Fern
Rounding and deporting illegals is a strawman argument IMO. Nobodies sugesting that.

Nor is amnesty the only solution.

These were motivated to get themselves here. Likewise, they can be motivated to get themselves back home. Just roll-up the *Welcome Mat* and see how long it takes. Some may stay, most will leave.

No jobs - and we have the means to do that. The IRS offers free SSN screening. Employers can do it one-at-a-time, or send in batch payroll-type database info. The turn around time is like 24 hrs for even huge files. Give employers the means, and some legal reform where they aren't unfairly sued for trying to comply, then slap fines on those who employ illegals.

Government services - too easy now to get free medical (Medicaid), welfare & WIC (free food) etc, and schooling. Just prohibit illegal aliens from recieving these and they'll leave.

We do need some guest worker programs for the agri businesses. It's temp labor for certain crops where mechanization doesn't work (picking/paking the more delicate produce & fruits).
Fern

+1

Cracking down hard on the companies and industries that hire them is certainly key. No jobs and they eventually will self-deport. And for the record, I'll be voting for McCain but I'm scared to death of his past open-borders/amnesty immigration positions.

I guess you voting for McCain is not unlike some poor Southerner voting for Bush: you have no one to complain to when they act against your interests.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: sirjonk
It's just the 'elephant in the room' or 'pink elephant', as if a regular elephant would somehow go unnoticed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room

Ahhh, didn't see the previous comments. Actually, it's just "elephant in the room", but not "pink elephant". There is no "pink elephant", just "seeing pink elephants", meaning either drunk or fantasizing.

Your "800 lb. gorilla" just means the dominant force. It does not have the "elephant in the room" meaning of something no one wants to acknowledge.

If you see "800 lb. gorilla in the room", either shoot that person for corrupting the English language with a stupid conflation of two other metaphors, or congratulate them for being some sort of leet linguistic pioneer. 😉

IIRC, it has always been white elephant.

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: Dari
I guess you voting for McCain is not unlike some poor Southerner voting for Bush: you have no one to complain to when they act against your interests.

Actually I'll be holding my nose while pulling the lever for him. Two socialists (Hillary/Obama) and a moderate McCain who's really part Democrat -- what a sucky choice. Tough year to be a conservative thanks to Bush and his band of free-spending earmarkers in Congress.

 

[GenHoth]

White elephant is a gag gift or regift.
Pink elephant is a much less popular version of Elephant in the room
Hurray for old sayingS!