THE WAR IS OVER ~ 1000s CHEER AMERICAN FORCES IN DOWNTOWN BAGHDAD AND THROW FLOWERS..... Looting in Baghdad

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Nice to see it go. Dont whack off yet though guys.

Sounds like things are beginning to fold over there.

You might as well let us hear the rest of you anti-war rhetoric now, because you're about to be on the losing side of the argument.

yes now would be the time to use your WMD (weapons of mass disinformation).....

Losing side of what argument? I doubt that many have the wit to be able to accurately relatate what my argument against this war has been. This is pretty much what I expected to see. Patience children. Remember I said the war would be easy. Many of my objections were based on moral arguments about launching our own Pearl Harbor. Well, that is rather moot now isnt it? In any case, let the Iraqis have their fun. They earned it.

Another thread where Hayabusarider states he knows we are seen as liberators as he just claimed he has been saying all along...

Here are some of his comments on how "easy" he thinks this war will be.

<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1014011&highlight_key=y&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=">A thread asking if you think the war will be easy, notice his response..."Will all those who posted some comment or started a thread to the effect that the Iraqis would throw down their weapons and surrender faster than the French please step forward so we can see you?" RIGHT HERE Hay, just like you are trying to claim now.
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Ok those are 3 random threads out of 5 I looked at where you contradicted what you JUST claimed was your position all along. I guess you must have been right, I just dont have the "wit" to understand your superior intellect, errr, hypocrisy, pardon us, we are only "children".

Love the links BTW very imaginitive titles. Fanciful too.

There was less resistance to fighting in Baghdad than I or anyone else expected, based on heavy fighting that WAS SEEN in other countries. Tell me you forsaw this right? Well son join up cuz they need YOU!

Now Alistar7. If you were paying attention you did not see me saying I EXPECTED to see the Iraqis surrender or not fight. Do you want to claim that the Iraqis threw down their weapons in other cities and not one shot fired? If not then it seems you were in error, since you just stated you expected them to surrender. Oh well, so what? If you were in error, everyone will get over it and move on. Of course you might be one who likes to keep score and tries to rub peoples nose in things and hope no one does the same to you. Be that as it may, if your ego requires it, continue on. I had thought to ask a serious question about something, but decided to delete it in this thread, since this seems to have become an lession for psychology majors in overcompensation. Have fun.

That was your best excuse to explain your obvious and conviently linked flip-flopping?

Once again, you came in here claiming one thing, I provided the proof you did not always see things as you now claim. Very imaginitive titles? Part of one is a direct quote of YOURS. The others point out the certain areas you claim you KNEW ALL ALONG, while you called us children.

What little credibility you had here is gone for good and forever immortalized here.....
Now piss of troll.

 

[Alistar7]

"Now Alistar7. If you were paying attention you did not see me saying I EXPECTED to see the Iraqis surrender or not fight."

"This is pretty much what I expected to see. Patience children."

really, can you even remember what you said 5 minutes ago?

 

[Alistar7]

woo hoo they are replaying the toilet paper Freedom Parade.....

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: HayabusariderOf course you might be one who likes to keep score and tries to rub peoples nose in things and hope no one does the same to you.

In the third linked post, you are basically calling out everyone who thought the war would be won quickly.

Live by the sword...

Always better to wait it out before crowing too loudly...that goes for both sides.

 

[Wheezer]

too bad Morph could not be here to share in this.

 

[Alistar7]

Looks like Morph got out just in time.

As far as Hay, he can't even remember what he said earlier in this thread, and his rambling about invasion was amusing as well. He provided links, unfortunately, they proved him worng...lol.

 

[dreamer]

There are many Iraquis(sp?) and Kaldiens here in San Diego rejoicing. They are stating that it is the most joyous day of their lives and that they want to go back to Iraq now and help.

It is far from over and there is alot of work to be done, but hearing these people who have fled their homeland chant "USA! USA!" is great indeed.

Sometimes we need to do things the hard way, and I believe the world will be a better place because of it. Now let's celebrate this thing called freedom we have given the people of Iraq. Yes the future is still uncertain, but it is one where they can make the decisions they need to make without fear of retribution.

 

[jbahseng]

I don't care if you are pro-war or anti-war, getting rid of Saddam is definitely a good thing.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: jbahseng
I don't care if you are pro-war or anti-war, getting rid of Saddam is definitely a good thing.

carefull, rational logical comments like that are bound to upset some members.....

 

[TheNinja]

OK, I have been stuck at work with very little update on the wary, now I read this and follow some of the links.........SWEET!!!! Great job by the coalition forces & intelligence. I realize it isn't over yet, but this is a very important day and very historical thing happening with people taking down the statue of Saddam. You know if he had a lot of fight left in him he would do anything to stop them, this statue is his pride and he is an ego maniac, therefore one can only assume he has very little left to fight with.

Way 2 go USA and all it's allies!!!!!

 

[prontospyder]

This is a great day for Baghdad and Iraq indeed.

I was hearing a NY Times editor on TV stating that the liberation of Baghdad is like the fall of the Berlin Wall in the Arab world.

Also, thanks to the coalition forces who sacrificed to make this day a reality.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: prontospyder
This is a great day for Baghdad and Iraq indeed.

I was hearing a NY Times editor on TV stating that the liberation of Baghdad is like the fall of the Berlin Wall in the Arab world.

Also, thanks to the coalition forces who sacrificed to make this day a reality.

I heard that analogy being used by a few reporters, hopefully it will be interpreted this way by the Arab world as well.

 

[swifty3]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Then why are they chanting pro-bush statements and throwing flowers?

This is the end of the war, the rest is mop up, the majority of the Iraqi army has gone home and given up, you should to.

This is a pretty significant moment, I think it deserved a thread....

Gee, why does anyone even respond to your stupid threads. We should give you your own discussion area, so that you can post all you want and not be bothered with anyone elses replies. You can just sit there and enjoy reading your own simple minded threads.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: swifty3

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Then why are they chanting pro-bush statements and throwing flowers?

This is the end of the war, the rest is mop up, the majority of the Iraqi army has gone home and given up, you should to.

This is a pretty significant moment, I think it deserved a thread....

Gee, why does anyone even respond to your stupid threads. We should give you your own discussion area, so that you can post all you want and not be bothered with anyone elses replies. You can just sit there and enjoy reading your own simple minded threads.

Don't hold back your personal opinion.....

You tell me, why did you read it then? Are the dozen links from independent sources also my "stupid comments"?

This is a significant moment, perhaps the most so far, that is what has drawn people to this thread.

I won't bother stooping to your level and make childish comments about my perception of your intellect. You have done more than enough on your own.

 

[Alistar7]

I would suggest rather than personal attacks you attempted to debate me with facts that support your position, but you never bothered to take one.

A quick review of some of your former posts reveals the basis for your anger, can't stand to hear the Iraqi's cheering Bush? lol

 

[Pocket]

Sitting here watching the brief given by DEFSEC Rumsfeld. Does anyone else think this guy is frickin awesome? He takes no crap and gives no crap. All these reporters asking barrages of stupid ass questions hoping to get some great speech from him, and he responds with simple one or two word answers. It's great!!!!

Oh yeah, figured I'd join in the analysis of the war.
There are still a lot of irregular and regular Iraqi soldiers walking around in civilian clothes, and the guerrilla warfare/mop up could last for quite some time. Our forces on the ground are still in danger. I think the U.N. is full of a bunch of sniveling bastards, and should stay the hell out of Iraq. They let us do the dirty work, and now they want to rebuild Iraq image after our soldiers spilled their blood to give them their freedom; France, Germany, and the rest of the UN can go to hell.

Anyways, it's a great day in history. I have every faith that the the US military will help to stablize Iraq and to setup an interrim government until the Iraqi people are ready and able to establish their own form of government.

I hope the rest of the world learns a valuable lesson from this as well: America is a country that will not tolerate a government that has no respect for justice and law. No nation is an island. No man is better than any other. Not only do we not tolerate such actions, we will use force if necessary to prevent such actions. We do so for the greater names of freedom and justice...for all.

"The greatest evil is when good men do nothing." (or something like that)

 

[exp]

It's great to see Iraqis celebrating...I'm very happy for them. It's a great historic moment and I am enjoying it. My overall enthusiasm is tempered though, because I think fighting will go on for some time. Even after the war is truly over there will be suicide bombings claiming more American and Iraqi lives, so the sooner we can get the hell out of there the better.

Also, remember that public opinion (in the Arab world especially) is fickle. Once Iraqis take a break from celebrating the end of Saddam they will quickly begin to wonder why the Americans are still there. They may not understand that there are still pro-Saddam elements around, and that coalition troops are the only ones equipped to provide security at least for the next few months. IIRC, the Lebanese welcomed the intervention there at first, did they not? How long did that sentiment last...a few months? The most difficult part of this process still lies ahead.

As for the looting, I don't mind it when government buildings are targeted. Considering how much Saddam has stolen from these people I cannot begrudge them the opportunity to get a little bit back. I just hope there isn't too much valuable intelligence on WMDs and war crimes going up in flames.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
"Now Alistar7. If you were paying attention you did not see me saying I EXPECTED to see the Iraqis surrender or not fight."

"This is pretty much what I expected to see. Patience children."

really, can you even remember what you said 5 minutes ago?

Sigh,

I expected to see some out in the open. I expect a majority to sit back a while and see, and I expect a lot of people who are not crazy about the US being there. I expect all who did not directly benefit from being among the Elite to be pleased with the going of Saddam. Seems to me I posted something about the British and the Ottoman empire. Perhaps it was elsewhere.

Selective cutting and pasting looks great. Obviously you are trying to make some point, however the point you are trying making is not the one many are taking home. Everyone needs a hobby though.


Nighttrain.

I know people who are dead and caused the deaths of others who were too cocky in combat. There are a lot of cocky people here, but that attitude is curiously missing from those who have seen the bad things others go and play CS to see. Notice that there was a lot of resistance in the southern cities



Anyway, keep it up guys

 

[TheNinja]

You know what bugs me almost as much as anti-war protestors? (notice I said almost as much ). It's the people, especially in the US that just don't seem to care one way or the other. I'm not sure some poeple get the magnitude of what is going on and that real people are dying. People are so uninformed when I tell a co-worker the big news of Baghdad and the statue he is like "oh, cool". I get a better response if I told him I was buying him a soda. ("Dude, free soda, awesome!!"). If today really is the big day that we have been waiting for I think people should celebrate in the US as well, or something. ---rant off

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Staley8
You know what bugs me almost as much as anti-war protestors? (notice I said almost as much ). It's the people, especially in the US that just don't seem to care one way or the other. I'm not sure some poeple get the magnitude of what is going on and that real people are dying. People are so uninformed when I tell a co-worker the big news of Baghdad and the statue he is like "oh, cool". I get a better response if I told him I was buying him a soda. ("Dude, free soda, awesome!!"). If today really is the big day that we have been waiting for I think people should celebrate in the US as well, or something. ---rant off

I think celebrating would be too much. I'm happy that Saddam is no longer in power and just may very well be so much dust in the air but celebrating just doesn't feel right. There is still way too much work to be done and it needs to start immediately, beginning with getting aid into the cities for the hospitals and putting a police force in place.

And, re: Saddam, if we had such reliable info he was near that restaurant and if one of the people who saw him was a member of Delta Force (as has been reported by some news agencies), then why didn't we send in some special ops and arrest him? Imagine that scene being filmed and shown to the world? The utter humiliation of Saddam would have been the best way to topple him. Dropping 4 tons of bombs wasn't the wisest decision, imo.

 

[Pocket]

Originally posted by: Staley8
You know what bugs me almost as much as anti-war protestors? (notice I said almost as much ). It's the people, especially in the US that just don't seem to care one way or the other. I'm not sure some poeple get the magnitude of what is going on and that real people are dying. People are so uninformed when I tell a co-worker the big news of Baghdad and the statue he is like "oh, cool". I get a better response if I told him I was buying him a soda. ("Dude, free soda, awesome!!"). If today really is the big day that we have been waiting for I think people should celebrate in the US as well, or something. ---rant off

Ditto!!

 

[Alistar7]

There have been Iraqi's in the US celebrating, in Detroit and on the west coast, also in London.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: swifty3

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Then why are they chanting pro-bush statements and throwing flowers?

This is the end of the war, the rest is mop up, the majority of the Iraqi army has gone home and given up, you should to.

This is a pretty significant moment, I think it deserved a thread....

Gee, why does anyone even respond to your stupid threads.

i·ro·ny ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-n, r-)n. pl. i·ro·nies

Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs.

 

[Rogue]

I sit here today with a bittersweet feeling in my heart. I am mobilized stateside to support the deployment of troops to the middle east for this conflict. Meanwhile, my brother, an infantryman assigned to the 3rd ID not long after he got in country in Kuwait, has suffered a second loss of soldiers in his unit, one of them in his company. I wonder in my silent thoughts at night what he's seen and what he's been through to this point. I wonder if he has blood on his hands, US soldier or Iraqi soldier alike, because blood weighs heavy on one's soul, no matter who it belongs to. I feel guilty for sleeping in my own bed at night when I think of him sleeping in the back of a tank or in the sand in the middle of a sand storm. I realize that the soldier that died from his company just a few days ago represents about a 1 in 100 chance that the bullet could have been his to catch rather than the other brave soldier that suffered it's wrath. Yet, as I watched the television this morning it nearly brought a tear to my eye. So many people have fought so hard and suffered for so long to get to this point. This truly should be the "Berlin wall" of the middle east. It should serve as an example of what can be done when the will and power of the people is brought to bear on those that oppress. So, forgive me for my emotion in my next statement, but f*ck all of you that condemn the actions we've chosen to take in this situation. People of the middle east seem to be quick to spill their own blood to kill their own people that don't see the way they do, but are apathetic about destroying the tyranny that plagues their own nations. They are resolute in hating the United States for the freedom we enjoy and have shed blood for time and again. This day is one which hopefully will polarize the people that seek the freedom we enjoy and break ties with tyranny and radical muslim beliefs and take their own freedom back from those that house it with fear and aggression. So, sit back and play arm chair generals or arm chair pot smokers, but one way or another, we've proven again that sometimes the law just has to be taken into the willing's hands and a little bit of death and destruction is necessary in this world we live in.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: HayabusariderNighttrain.
I know people who are dead and caused the deaths of others who were too cocky in combat. There are a lot of cocky people here, but that attitude is curiously missing from those who have seen the bad things others go and play CS to see. Notice that there was a lot of resistance in the southern cities

I really don't know what any of this means. You don't like being called out for your earlier posts...no one would. The easiest way to avoid that is to use a measure of caution when considering doing it to others.